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Texans Plan To Show "Sign of Solidarity" Sunday

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After last Thursday's "event," I have some very mixed feelings on the subject. I don't know that this show of unity during a game is much more appropriate than political statements coming during Academy Awards acceptances. There are probably better venues for such "statements."

Texans, Colts plan sign of solidarity
Players rush to show unity in labor dispute with owners

By JOHN McCLAIN
Copyright 2010 Houston Chronicle
Sept. 11, 2010, 12:19AM

If they can put it together in time for Sunday's season opener against Indianapolis, players from the Texans and Colts will have a show of solidarity similar to the one at New Orleans on Thursday night.

Right after the national anthem at the Superdome, players from the Saints and Vikings walked onto the field and held up their index fingers as a sign of solidarity in their battle with the owners over a new collective bargaining agreement.

The owners are threatening to lock out the players — beginning in March - and possibly canceling the 2011 season.

"We're working on it," said Texans middle linebacker DeMeco Ryans, the team's player representative. "I think it's (showing solidarity) important. I think it's something we should do if we can put it together."

The show of solidarity in New Orleans wasn't orchestrated by the NFL Players Association.

"This didn't come down from the (NFLPA office), which I think makes it even more special because it's just the players," said offensive tackle Eric Winston, who assists Ryans. "I think it would be a pretty cool thing to do if we can get all the guys together in time."

After practice Friday, players around the league were scrambling to try to set up the show of solidarity in time for Sunday's game. Ryans was trying to get in touch with center Jeff Saturday and middle linebacker Gary Brackett, the Colts' representatives.

"If we can't get it together, then we'll save it for another time," Winston said. "I think it's something we should do more of."

Kubiak unconcerned

Texans coach Gary Kubiak was focused on the Colts and not worried about the players showing solidarity.

"I saw what took place," Kubiak said about the Saints-Vikings game, "but I don't have a feeling one way or another."

Most coaches want their players to be united no matter what they do. Texans defensive end Mario Williams agreed.

"If we're not on the same page, No. 1, it's not going to work," Williams said. "We've got to be on the same page and be of one accord, and we'll be all right."

Safe until March

The fans have no sympathy for either side. They just want football. They've got it this season, but nothing is guaranteed for 2011.

Callers to local radio talk shows suggested that if the players walk on the field and extend their index fingers, the fans should extend middle fingers to show the players and owners what they think of the possible lockout.

There is plenty of time to work out a new collective bargaining agreement. The lockout won't go into effect until March 4, and no football games will be canceled before the 2011 preseason.

"We have to get this ironed out," strong safety Bernard Pollard said. "Football's such a great game, but it won't be the same if they don't get it ironed out.

"From a business standpoint, the owners love to make money. So do we. Who doesn't love to make money, so why stop it?

"If we can come together and get that (show of solidarity) done, why not? That would be a statement, but at the end of the day, it gets done behind closed doors."
 
I don't think the average fan is gonna care for it myself, and they'll be ready to show their disapproval this time, unlike the thursday night game.
 
I’m going to be one extremely pissed off fan if there’s a lock out next season. And I’ll be blaming both sides because, as always, it takes two to tango.
 
I really don't want to see thier Labor Dispute on the field. I'm lucky to have a job, and I've lost a lot in compensation over the last two years. I work in an industry that has a Union, and they made no concessions during the recession, and they have that right, but don't go asking for my help when I'm taken it in the tail pipe.

Honestly the Owners and the Players all make a whole lot of money, but keep it behind closed doors, while we the fans the ones that pay for everything watch. I don't want to see your squabble for your share of the money while I'm seeking entertainment. There are too many struggling Average Joes out in the real world that are just happy to have a roof over thier head, and feed thier kids to feel sorry for any of them.

Actually heres an idea. Players be happy with what your making, and you Owners should lower ticket and merchandise prices and we should all be happy. This whole deal feels like Jackals squabling over a big kill. Poor schlubs like us pay for all of it, just remember who the customer in all this is.

I don't run around doing thing like this when I feel I deserve more compensation from my employer. Keep it behind closed doors boys.

Sorry about the rant!!!!!! :rant:
 
Ok whatever players.

Most people live paycheck to paycheck and you guys play a game and get paid very well. The owners are billionaires and ride in private jets and have million dollar yachts docked in Miami.

I don't really care about their "solidarity" to be honest. I was a paying customer the last time they had an NFL lockout. I think it's all a bunch of nonsense.

They'll always be NFL fans and they'll probably always be full stadiums and they all know that. So they'll have their little lockout and the players will still be millionaires when it's over and the owners will still be billionaires.
 
I don't have a problem with it. I think that what they are doing isn't getting in the way of the game. I mean how many seconds are they cutting out of our entertainment? It's also about freedom of expression. Without getting into the negotiations or their implications I think they are doing a cool thing.
 
I don't like it!! Keep it off the field and in a boardroom!! It's crap like this that makes me detest what this game has become. I intend to get on facebook and send a message to every Texan player I have on my list and tell them how I feel. I don't think they care, but, dammet, they need to know!!!

Wouldn't it be cool if the FANS decided to LOCKOUT the entire NFL?! Get it done before March or we won't buy tickets!!! Never gonna happen, but, this crap is insane!! JMO!!
 
I don't like it!! Keep it off the field and in a boardroom!! It's crap like this that makes me detest what this game has become. I intend to get on facebook and send a message to every Texan player I have on my list and tell them how I feel. I don't think they care, but, dammet, they need to know!!!

Wouldn't it be cool if the FANS decided to LOCKOUT the entire NFL?! Get it done before March or we won't buy tickets!!! Never gonna happen, but, this crap is insane!! JMO!!

What praytell has this game become? and how has crap like this made it that way?

They just want to express something and you're gonna blast them for it. It's your right, but that don't make it right. I mean if you're at work and you express yourself would you like everyone telling you their opinions about your actions.
 
Years ago when Texas Motor Speedway opened the drivers bitched and moaned about the track. The next season there were T-Shirts being sold that said "Shut Up and Drive". The drivers were pissed.

Frankly...I feel the same way. They just need to shut up and play. The owners will ALWAYS have more money than the players. I doubt you would find very many people that wouldn't be thrilled to have a league minimum salary. Without the owners...there wouldnt be a team. Obviously without the players, there would not be a team either.

I think both sides are wrong but frankly the players are acting like babies. If I acted out like that against my boss, I would be on my ass looking for a new job. The players need to be reminded that they are employees...very well paid employees. If they don't like their employer (owner)...then go get a job elsewhere. Otherwise shut up and do the job that you were hired to do...and do it to your full capacity.
 
I agree, just shut up and play. Look I'm going to be a Boo Bird on Sunday.
 
I've been a season ticket holder for five years. This year it was a little tight, and wasn't sure if I was able to renew my tickets, but I pulled it off. It wasn't easy.

I have no issue with these guys getting paid fair market, but they have to understand that Joe Fan really don't want to hear about their plight. They should keep the labor negotiations behind closed doors.

Having said that, I think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Ok, so a bunch of players held up a finger to signify unity. So what? Let's move on.

Also: There WILL be football next year. People, we're talking about an institution worth tens of BILLIONS of dollars. There's a lot to lose by everybody. This will be resolved.
 
The NFL is nothing without the players. I like that they are unified. They should be. The owners certainly are.

A 2 second hand gesture doesn't impact the game at all. From a fans point of view, it doesn't change your game experience one bit. Why so angry about it?

It seems like some fans have a little too much sense of entitlement,

I want my Texans team to be pumped up and excited this Sunday. No way would I risk putting them off their game by booing something as trivial as this
 
I came across this historical SI article published in 2000. It is lengthy, but worth reading when you have some time. Things since have only gotten very much worse for the fan. Where is the cry on the part of the players, and for that matter on the part of the owners to call for logarithmic decrease of tickets each year attached to the logarithmic increases of their incomes. Let the owners make up for their "loss" by increasing the prices of their merchandise and food, while the players make up their "loss" by increasing their demands for memorabilia and endorsements. Neither will do this. Because they would be afraid that they would more likely see a lot of tee shirts at game day with players' names and numbers printed with magic markers, and fans having less need for pee and potty breaks, while watching fans becoming skinnier game by game.

May 15, 2000
Hey, Fans: Sit On It!:The high cost of attending games is fattening owners' wallets while it drives average fans from arenas, and it may be cooling America's passion for pro sports

Average cost for a family of four to attend an NFL game? $258.50.

Since 1991 ticket prices for the four major pro sports have increased an outrageous 80%—four times faster than the Consumer Price Index. An average NFL ticket, which went for $25.21 in '91, now goes for $45.63.
 
Sad that the owners are willing to lockout a season because they can't get on the same sheet of music. Not upset at all about this because I have been following it for a little while and I don't mind at all that the players want to give each other a sign that they are together about this.

More than the owners have ever done.
 
What praytell has this game become? and how has crap like this made it that way?

They just want to express something and you're gonna blast them for it. It's your right, but that don't make it right. I mean if you're at work and you express yourself would you like everyone telling you their opinions about your actions.


This game has become ALL ABOUT MONEY, very little true loyalty, selfish, self centered individuals who think making millions is not enough! I've been a fan of this GAME for close to 60 years! I watched football when players had a regular job as well as "playing football." They did it for the LOVE OF THE GAME! That does not exist anymore. They are hired to do a job, get paid very well, and have an opportunity to make MORE if they do that job well. Fans pay what we do because we love the game of football, enjoy it as an entertainment factor in our lives, BUT, life will go on without it!! We don't need football players to survive!!

If I pulled this type of "crap" at my job, I would be jobless very quick! NO, I do not work for a union. "if you're at work and you express yourself would you like everyone telling you their opinions about your actions." To answer that question truthfully! I am a professional! When I'm at work, I conduct myself as one.
 
If I pulled this type of "crap" at my job, I would be jobless very quick! NO, I do not work for a union. "if you're at work and you express yourself would you like everyone telling you their opinions about your actions." To answer that question truthfully! I am a professional! When I'm at work, I conduct myself as one.

If you were making your boss a billion dollars a year, yeah, you probably could.
 
Thing is, the "Average Fan" can complain about players complaining about money and about owners raising ticket prices, but when it comes right down to it, "Average Fan" is still buying tickets, is still buying memorabilia, and is still watching games.

Its simple economics. Supply and demand.

Ticket prices will continue to increase, beer prices will continue to increase, and players will demand more money as long as there is a reasonable market and profits continue to increase.

Fans have to speak with their wallets. Its hypocritical to complain that players are all about the money and then buy jerseys, tickets, beer, and watch games. They only make as much as we're willing to give them. Thing is, we love the game. We love the entertainment.

Is it what it used to be? I have no idea, I wasn't around for the "good ole days." Do I love it now? Absolutely

Does it bother me that it costs at least $50 a ticket to go to a game up here? Yeah. Will I pay it? Yeah.
 
Thing is, the "Average Fan" can complain about players complaining about money and about owners raising ticket prices, but when it comes right down to it, "Average Fan" is still buying tickets, is still buying memorabilia, and is still watching games.

Its simple economics. Supply and demand.

Ticket prices will continue to increase, beer prices will continue to increase, and players will demand more money as long as there is a reasonable market and profits continue to increase.

Fans have to speak with their wallets. Its hypocritical to complain that players are all about the money and then buy jerseys, tickets, beer, and watch games. They only make as much as we're willing to give them. Thing is, we love the game. We love the entertainment.

Is it what it used to be? I have no idea, I wasn't around for the "good ole days." Do I love it now? Absolutely

Does it bother me that it costs at least $50 a ticket to go to a game up here? Yeah. Will I pay it? Yeah.

I respect your opinion. But at 26, without 2 or 3 or 4 kids, you cannot really appreciate the extent of the hardship to those who also love the game, but have little choice but to turn away from the game day experience that you so understandably enjoy.
 
I respect your opinion. But at 26, without 2 or 3 or 4 kids, you cannot really appreciate the extent of the hardship to those who also love the game, but have little choice but to turn away from the game day experience that you so understandably enjoy.

I don't get it. How does having a few kids help you appreciate turning away from watching a sport? I mean ever since I've had kids I've always known that I really wouldn't be able to really attend games, but that's not going to make me turn away from football. Probably just the NFL if they can't figure out how to play nicely with one another, but there's always NCAAFB, UFL, CFL and AFL. I've pretty much relegated myself to 2011 not being an NFL season, but I don't see how having kids has helped me come to the conclusion that I won't watch them if they screw it up in 2012 as well.
 
I don't get it. How does having a few kids help you appreciate turning away from watching a sport? I mean ever since I've had kids I've always known that I really wouldn't be able to really attend games, but that's not going to make me turn away from football. Probably just the NFL if they can't figure out how to play nicely with one another, but there's always NCAAFB, UFL, CFL and AFL. I've pretty much relegated myself to 2011 not being an NFL season, but I don't see how having kids has helped me come to the conclusion that I won't watch them if they screw it up in 2012 as well.

CnD didn't say anything about turning away from football. He was saying that the cost of attending games precluded many with kids from joining in. I believe you said the same.
 
If you were making your boss a billion dollars a year, yeah, you probably could.


My boss does make a billion dollars a year. I am expendable, just like any football player. I don't do my JOB, I am gone, quickly replaced by someone with much less experience, but, my BOSS does not care. He/she will still be making the billions.

My point, if there is one. Football players ego's are much to inflated. Fans will still follow the GAME: CFL, Arena football, replacement teams, college, high school, etc!!! Regardless of what happens in March, we will still be football fans. Do any of us want to see a LOCKOUT happen? Hell no! It would mess with our addiction, the NFL!!
 
My boss does make a billion dollars a year. I am expendable, just like any football player. I don't do my JOB, I am gone, quickly replaced by someone with much less experience, but, my BOSS does not care. He/she will still be making the billions.

My point, if there is one. Football players ego's are much to inflated. Fans will still follow the GAME: CFL, Arena football, replacement teams, college, high school, etc!!! Regardless of what happens in March, we will still be football fans. Do any of us want to see a LOCKOUT happen? Hell no! It would mess with our addiction, the NFL!!

The problem is, we've gotten really attached to the players. There is nothing like watching Number 80 on Sundays. NOTHING. That experience can't be replaced.
 
My boss does make a billion dollars a year. I am expendable, just like any football player. I don't do my JOB, I am gone, quickly replaced by someone with much less experience, but, my BOSS does not care. He/she will still be making the billions.

Are you the one directly responsible for your boss making billions? If you are, you have more leeway to make demands at work. I am also laughing a lot at how people perceive that anybody not "carrying their weight" at work get automatically axed from every job, every time, when that is certainly not the case either.

Again, everybody who thinks that their job earning 1/100th of what an NFL player makes is the same as being the QB for an NFL team are just delusional. I find it hard to believe that any owner who has been in this game as long as Bob McNair has wouldn't be able to sell their franchise for a huge markup from what they bought it for.
 
I’m going to be one extremely pissed off fan if there’s a lock out next season. And I’ll be blaming both sides because, as always, it takes two to tango.

Yup. Its their (the owners and the players) issue. Leave the fans out of it.

Its a negotiation between two groups of millionaires - I for one give little consideration for the plight of either side. Keep it in the boardrooms, and off the field.
 
I don't have a problem with it. I think that what they are doing isn't getting in the way of the game. I mean how many seconds are they cutting out of our entertainment? It's also about freedom of expression. Without getting into the negotiations or their implications I think they are doing a cool thing.

I don't like it. By putting it out there on the field, they are trying to get us in the middle of it.


This is between the players and the owners.

I'm with SheTexan, & they're both pissing me off.
 
Thing is, the "Average Fan" can complain about players complaining about money and about owners raising ticket prices, but when it comes right down to it, "Average Fan" is still buying tickets, is still buying memorabilia, and is still watching games.

Its simple economics. Supply and demand.

And the fans have spoken in many cities...including New York where they almost had a blackout for the first Jets game.

Fans have to speak with their wallets.

Agreed...which is why there will possibly be more blackouts in local cities than there have been in a very long time.

http://www.wtsp.com/sports/story.aspx?storyid=144706

3 teams that were in the playoffs last year are facing possible backouts this season.

Its hypocritical to complain that players are all about the money and then buy jerseys, tickets, beer, and watch games. They only make as much as we're willing to give them.

How is it hypocritical? I buy season tickets every year because I enjoy going to the tailgate as much as I enjoy going to the game. The players don't see any revenue from jersey sales. The do benefit from you and me paying for our tickets...paying high prices for crappy food and beer...and then they want to ***** about their salaries? These guys make more in 3 or 4 years than many people make in a LIFETIME.

I have no problem with the players standing united against the owners. If they want to have a show of solidarity, that's fine but do it behind closed doors or by some other means. Standing on the field with your finger in the air is a slap in the face to the fans as it is our money that pays their salaries.

I'm tired of hearing that the players are not getting "enough" from the owners. They need to shut up and play and if they don't like their job or multi-million dollar salary...go do something else that will make themselves happy.
 
See I'm not trying to be a total d-bag, I can understand saying "I don't care about millionaire v. billionaire I just want my football" and it's totally justified. But getting on the players case because 1.) You can't play football at that high of a level, or else that's what you would be doing and 2.) they make more money than you is completely delusional. I understand that it's hard to sympathize with a millionaire who "plays" for money, but that is why they get millions of dollars to get hit in the head every year, and I earn 30k a year getting porn off of office PC's for a living.

In the end, the worst case is pretty much the same for all of us that browse these forums: There will be no more NFL football after 2010, and that's a thing I don't really want to see happen to a sport I love to watch.
 
I'm tired of hearing that the players are not getting "enough" from the owners. They need to shut up and play and if they don't like their job or multi-million dollar salary...go do something else that will make themselves happy.
I think it's a little bigger than that. The owners are bitching as well, and they aren't putting their lives on the line 16+ weeks out of the year.

I'm not completely on the players side though. No owners, no NFL. No players, no NFL. No fans, no NFL.

They just need to work it out, and keep us out of it, unless they want us to table our demands.
 
I think it's a little bigger than that. The owners are bitching as well, and they aren't putting their lives on the line 16+ weeks out of the year.

I'm not completely on the players side though. No owners, no NFL. No players, no NFL. No fans, no NFL.

They just need to work it out, and keep us out of it, unless they want us to table our demands.

I agree with you 100%. At the end of the day...the owners are the employers and the players are the employees. Keep this labor crap out of the game that we all paid for.
 
Really shouldn't be an issue .

Its probably gonna take less time than a comercial and wont innerfere with game. Most fans will walk away talking about the win and the plays and wont walk away saying "OMG did you see what the players did?" People will talk more about concession food prices than about the solidarity.

Secondly, I am not an expert on this whole lock out thing. Players want to get paid. Nothing wrong with that. The average NFL player has a short career, but still generates a ton of money for the owners who have really long shelf lives.
 
Really shouldn't be an issue .

Its probably gonna take less time than a comercial and wont innerfere with game. Most fans will walk away talking about the win and the plays and wont walk away saying "OMG did you see what the players did?" People will talk more about concession food prices than about the solidarity.

I don't know what happened in Nawl'ns. but they're looking for our reaction. If we start cheering, and give them a standing O, the T.V. cameras will be on us, and they'll be talking about it for weeks.

Then Mawae is going to say, "See, the fans are on our side."

If we boo, & give them a finger of our own, the Owners will say, "See, the fans are on our side."
 
I don't know what happened in Nawl'ns. but they're looking for our reaction. If we start cheering, and give them a standing O, the T.V. cameras will be on us, and they'll be talking about it for weeks.

Then Mawae is going to say, "See, the fans are on our side."

If we boo, & give them a finger of our own, the Owners will say, "See, the fans are on our side."


So I dont know if no reaction would be best, or booing or cheering would be best.

I wish I knew to make sure there wont be a lockout in 2011.

And I would guess that other players are doing it at other games too.
 
I will boooooo as loud as I will when the Cowboys take the field in 2 weeks. DON"T F WITH THE FANS!

If you wanna do your little finger wag do it in parctice when the boss man is there.

If I see it, you will hear it.
 
I'm not offended by the players. However, I do believe how this week of
"solidarity" in stadiums league-wide is received will determine whether they keep
making these types of displays in the following weeks.


The NFL has a huge pie of cash to divide up, and the players are just trying
to get their fair slice. No one wants a labor stoppage, and the players
don't want to be locked out. They want to play, we want to watch them,
thus I tend to side more with the players than with the owners.
 
As long as the owners are making billions the players will continue to ***** they want more money. I have just learned to except it and move on. Regarding the players holding up their fingers before the game they do what they are going to do, so what? How does that effect you and me. I don't think it does.
 
I don't get it. How does having a few kids help you appreciate turning away from watching a sport? I mean ever since I've had kids I've always known that I really wouldn't be able to really attend games, but that's not going to make me turn away from football. Probably just the NFL if they can't figure out how to play nicely with one another, but there's always NCAAFB, UFL, CFL and AFL. I've pretty much relegated myself to 2011 not being an NFL season, but I don't see how having kids has helped me come to the conclusion that I won't watch them if they screw it up in 2012 as well.


I evidently didn't make myself properly clear.......and it left you to misinterpret the point of my post. When I was referring "game day" experience, what I should have qualified was "in stadium presence." In no way did I mean that this would necessarily turn someone from appreciating the games on TV or radio.........but, for some it could certainly leave bad feelings.
 
Posted this in the NFL section but thought I'd post it here too.:kitten:

NFLPA collecting signatures for possible decertification


The NFL Players Asscoiation (NFLPA) began collecting signatures for possible decertification in March, according to league sources.

Decertification is one possible tact the NFLPA could take this spring to negate a potential lockout and begin a process through the court system toward a possible resolution of the labor impasse with owners.

The collective bargaining agreement is set to expire in March, and decertification could allow the NFLPA to sue the league in an attempt to prevent owners from locking players out of offseason activities. If the NFLPA decertifies it would, in effect, cease to become a union. If the league then attempted lockout the players, they could sue the NFL under U.S. antitrust laws. However, the NFL could also challenge that decertification.

Regardless, the NFLPA, rather than wait until March to vote on decertifying, is conducting voting on a team-by-team basis now, beginning with the Saints last week, where the measure passed unanimously, according to sources. The process will continue as union head DeMaurice Smith meets with each team through the season.

"This is a procedural thing only," is how one NFLPA official put it. "It's easier to collect 1,900 signatures now than in March."

If the NFLPA is successful in an effort to decertify, then the collective bargaining process would end, and individual players could seek antitrust lawsuits, an action the union took in past labor negotiations that resulted in the Reggie White lawsuit, and ultimately a system of free agency beginning in 1993. In the meantime, as that case was unfolding from 1989-1993, obviously games were played
 
There are many ways that the players may end up screwing themselves.

AP source: Union considering decertification vote
By BARRY WILNER AP Pro Football Writer © 2010 The Associated Press
Sept. 11, 2010, 2:01PM
A letter sent to NFLPA membership has outlined to the players what voting for decertification would mean. DeMaurice Smith, the union's executive director, frequently has said he expects the owners to lock out the players.

Smith will be meeting with each team over the next few weeks.

The letter also says if the union does not decertify before March and the expiration of the CBA, it can't sue the league for six months.

Decertification also would strip the union of collective bargaining rights on behalf of the players, and could affect marketing of the players through NFL Players, the marketing arm of the union.

The NFL said it has no comment on the union's action.

In 1989, two years after a failed players' strike, the NFLPA decertified. It returned as a union in 1993, when a contract was reached with the league that provided for free agency. That landmark CBA was renewed or restructured several times since 1993, including in 2006. The owners opted out of that deal in 2008.
 
As I see it. This is just another 2-3 minutes of tailgating time. This show of solidarity will be wasted because most everyone will still be outside.:cool:
 
Question is: if there is a lockout and a strike players cross the lines, as PSL owners are we going to have to pay full price to watch strike players to keep our PSL's? Ugh..
 
I probably ought to stay out of this thread because it just pisses me off. It's this kind of thing that drove me away from basketball and baseball. I don't even bother to watch either now. As to football, it's already driven me away from spending one dime on football. I don't buy tickets, shirts or anything else that supports professional football. All I do is watch it and pay for cable TV, and that's all they're going to get out of me.

I doubt very seriously something like this could drive me away from watching it though, because if the Texans are on TV, I'm going to be watching. What needs to happen is the fans would have to stay away from the stadiums on Sundays to make a point, and that probably won't happen.

Wouldn't that be great though? All fans through out the USA boycott one Sunday and that would get the players and owners attention real quick.
 
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As for billionaires vs. millionaires, how many NFL players are really making top dollar?

Some guys have monster contracts, but many more are making NFL minimum.

Its the old guys and the special teamers that are getting screwed by the current CBA.
 
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