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rmartin65

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I know most people are sick of all things draft. But there is one last hurdle for you, the Supplemental Draft. I propose that we add all information pertaining to this event in this thread.

Harvey Unga will most likely be entering the draft, after being denied re-admittance to BYU. Unga is a hard nosed back, with underrated speed. I see him as a Gerhart type runner, but not quite up to that level.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=74024&draftyear=2011&genpos=RB

I normally don't like losing picks before the draft, but Unga would be worth the Texans 5th next year.
 
Didn't Jared Gaither come from the supp draft? Good guys can be had then, it's just they usually have some ridiculously big red flag about them.

I also have nothing to add.
 
b0ng said:
Didn't Jared Gaither come from the supp draft? Good guys can be had then, it's just they usually have some ridiculously big red flag about them.

I also have nothing to add.
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Ugh I'm still a bit upset that we passed on getting Gaither for a freaking 4th rounder.

Don't have much to say about the running back except I don't see them pulling the trigger on him.
 
Unga would be a steal in the 5th rd.

He most likely would be a 3rd rder in the regular draft. I had him rated as a low 2nd rd pick.

Big RB, good speed, great hands and great feet.
 
There is a reason these guys do not go to the regular draft. Most times people talk big about getting value but all they get is heartbreak. Remember how several people here wanted the Texans to spend a 3rd or 4th on DT Manual Wright?! Yeah. Thats worked out well.

Sure Gaither has been great and you can find a handful of good players, but there are far more busts than success stories. I say save your picks and take your chances in the REAL draft.
 
awtysst said:
There is a reason these guys do not go to the regular draft. Most times people talk big about getting value but all they get is heartbreak. Remember how several people here wanted the Texans to spend a 3rd or 4th on DT Manual Wright?! Yeah. Thats worked out well.

Sure Gaither has been great and you can find a handful of good players, but there are far more busts than success stories. I say save your picks and take your chances in the REAL draft.
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The only reason Unga is in the draft is he was caught sleeping with his girlfriend. Thus breaking the BYU morality code. (Imagine college students having sex)LOL

Unga has the talent to be a productive RB in the NFL. IMHO

Bernie Kosar,Jamal Williams,Darren Mickell and Gaither would disagree with you.
 
If you give up a 5th for this guy your team must be desperate for a RB. I would give a 7th. Maybe you could talk me into a 6th.
 
Super Mario said:
If you give up a 5th for this guy your team must be desperate for a RB. I would give a 7th. Maybe you could talk me into a 6th.
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You can never have too many backs. Think about it, we have:

Slaton coming off a serious injury, and after a disappointing season.

Tate, a rookie, coming in with hamstring problems. Not saying it is the same, but hamstrings are what kept Jerome Mathis off the field for a long time.

Foster was a UDFA last year, that played well at the end of the season. Sounds like another back in the Texans past who is now no longer part of the team.

Moats, who probably tops out as a journey man type guy. Good depth, but not much after that.

Chris Henry, a complete unknown.

Jeremiah Johnson, also an unknown.

Unga is a big, physical back that gives the Texans yet another player to throw into the mix. If it is a 5th, that is not much to give up.
 
awtysst said:
There is a reason these guys do not go to the regular draft. Most times people talk big about getting value but all they get is heartbreak. Remember how several people here wanted the Texans to spend a 3rd or 4th on DT Manual Wright?! Yeah. Thats worked out well.

Sure Gaither has been great and you can find a handful of good players, but there are far more busts than success stories. I say save your picks and take your chances in the REAL draft.
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Tony Hollings anyone?
 
Tell me will/have any 5th rd picks made an impact.

Unga has more talent than any 2011 5th rd choice Smithiak can make. IMHO

Has anybody seen 2011 mocks? Bare bones draft at best. Not much help coming from it.

Who has seen Unga play? I watched 2 games last year. He has talent.

Dont let Casserly's Hollins pick scare you away from the supp. draft Smithiak. Unga also is a hgh character guy. Well worth a 5th rd pick. IMHO
 
rmartin65 said:
You can never have too many backs. Think about it, we have:

Slaton coming off a serious injury, and after a disappointing season.

Tate, a rookie, coming in with hamstring problems. Not saying it is the same, but hamstrings are what kept Jerome Mathis off the field for a long time.

Foster was a UDFA last year, that played well at the end of the season. Sounds like another back in the Texans past who is now no longer part of the team.

Moats, who probably tops out as a journey man type guy. Good depth, but not much after that.

Chris Henry, a complete unknown.

Jeremiah Johnson, also an unknown.

Unga is a big, physical back that gives the Texans yet another player to throw into the mix. If it is a 5th, that is not much to give up.
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I hear ya. But I think you could say that about alot of positions on our team like cornerback. That doesnt mean we should throw away a 4th ona corner in the sup draft.

I guess it just depends on how much value you think he adds to our roster. Personally I am ok if we start week 1 with Slaton, Tate, Foster and Moats.
 
steelbtexan said:
Tell me will/have any 5th rd picks made an impact.

Unga has more talent than any 2011 5th rd choice Smithiak can make. IMHO

Has anybody seen 2011 mocks? Bare bones draft at best. Not much help coming from it.

Who has seen Unga play? I watched 2 games last year. He has talent.

Dont let Casserly's Hollins pick scare you away from the supp. draft Smithiak. Unga also is a hgh character guy. Well worth a 5th rd pick. IMHO
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Exactly. He is a 2nd/3rd round talent who will get screwed because he had to enter the supp. draft.

Although, I disagree a little on the "bare bones" comment about 2011. There is some talent there, but no where near as deep as this past class. And you are right, no 5th round player next year will have Unga's talent.
 
rmartin65 said:
You can never have too many backs. Think about it, we have:

Slaton coming off a serious injury, and after a disappointing season.

Tate, a rookie, coming in with hamstring problems. Not saying it is the same, but hamstrings are what kept Jerome Mathis off the field for a long time.

Foster was a UDFA last year, that played well at the end of the season. Sounds like another back in the Texans past who is now no longer part of the team.

Moats, who probably tops out as a journey man type guy. Good depth, but not much after that.

Chris Henry, a complete unknown.

Jeremiah Johnson, also an unknown.

Unga is a big, physical back that gives the Texans yet another player to throw into the mix. If it is a 5th, that is not much to give up.
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If you don't draft a Dwyer in 6th or Joique Bell in 7th, I don't see Texans giving a 5th for this guy. I agree never enough backs like CBs, 65 but it ain't happening. I looked hard at this guy when I heard his request to return had been shut down, but realistically can not argue giving up anything above a 6th.
 
badboy said:
If you don't draft a Dwyer in 6th or Joique Bell in 7th, I don't see Texans giving a 5th for this guy. I agree never enough backs like CBs, 65 but it ain't happening. I looked hard at this guy when I heard his request to return had been shut down, but realistically can not argue giving up anything above a 6th.
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Cant wait until next years draft so that we can compare Unga to whoever Smithiak pick in rd 4/5.

Realistically Smithiak wont take Unga or anybody else in the supp. draft. Because that's just how they do business.
 
steelbtexan said:
Cant wait until next years draft so that we can compare Unga to whoever Smithiak pick in rd 4/5.

Realistically Smithiak wont take Unga or anybody else in the supp. draft. Because that's just how they do business.
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How do you compare RB to tight ends? j/k
 
steelbtexan said:
Cant wait until next years draft so that we can compare Unga to whoever Smithiak pick in rd 4/5.

Realistically Smithiak wont take Unga or anybody else in the supp. draft. Because that's just how they do business.
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badboy said:
How do you compare RB to tight ends? j/k
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Haha, can you imagine if the Texans draft another TE in the middle rounds?

I agree with you on Unga, odds are it is not going to happen.
 
Very seldom has Kubiak in Denver or here used a RB that weighs more than 225lbs. I do not see them using a pick on this kid. We will get the same old Kubiak speech, we are going with the guys who have been here from day one.
 
painekiller said:
Very seldom has Kubiak in Denver or here used a RB that weighs more than 225lbs. I do not see them using a pick on this kid. We will get the same old Kubiak speech, we are going with the guys who have been here from day one.
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Ron Dayne??? He was 245 and lead the Texans in rushing for 2 years playing in 24 games and starting 14.
 
texanfan2002114 said:
Ron Dayne??? He was 245 and lead the Texans in rushing for 2 years playing in 24 games and starting 14.
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He was only used by default, Domanick Davis-Williams was supposed to be the primary RB Kubiak's 1st season, but was not able to play, the team waited until to late to find someone that knew the offense other than Dayne, a bust in Denver.

Because Carr was so bad the team had to use Dayne more than Kubiak would have liked.

In 2007, the team signed Ahman Green top be the man, but he ended being hurt more than he played, so again Dayne was used more than they had hoped for.

Ron Dayne was not Kubiak's 1st choice either season.
 
beerlover said:
Tony Hollings anyone?
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The supplemental has not been good to us. I was hot for Harvey Unga this draft. Fits the Big back FB guy. We have Tate and Foster....and Cris Henry already on the roster.
What Unga would bring is a guy who may be able to be trained to be a blocker. And a very sure soft handed pass catching FB. Something Leech does not bring to the table. However, is that worth spending future draft capitol on ? We're already going to have some hard cuts in September at RB and TE. Wanna add another one ? I mean how many times a game do we run the FB check down to Leech ?
 
threetoedpete said:
The supplemental has not been good to us. I was hot for Harvey Unga this draft. Fits the Big back FB guy. We have Tate and Foster....and Cris Henry already on the roster.
What Unga would bring is a guy who may be able to be trained to be a blocker. And a very sure soft handed pass catching FB. Something Leech does not bring to the table. However, is that worth spending future draft capitol on ? We're already going to have some hard cuts in September at RB and TE. Wanna add another one ? I mean how many times a game do we run the FB check down to Leech ?
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Its a matter of acquiring talent. Unga could most likely be had for a 5th or 6th round pick. He is a 2nd/3rd round talent. He would most likely be better than anyone the Texans could draft in that spot next year.
 
rmartin65 said:
It looks like two players are going to be in it

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/13529516/running-backs-unga-emokpae-opt-for-supplemental-draft
Vanness Emokpae is a guy I had on my small school watch, before I found he was not entering the draft. An interesting prospect for sure, but not draft worthy.

2 highlight clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkmt5AbOmA8

http://vimeo.com/10618155

The image sucks on the second one.
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I don't see Texans being interested in either as our RB shold be set. I hope.
 
rmartin65 said:
Yep. I just saw it, and thought some people may be interested. Although, I would not say no to Unga with a late pick.
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Before I posted I thought about a 6 or 7 but just don't see it. Of course I have minimal info on Unga. I just really like what we have and what we might get next draft with those picks.
 
badboy said:
Before I posted I thought about a 6 or 7 but just don't see it. Of course I have minimal info on Unga. I just really like what we have and what we might get next draft with those picks.
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Oh, I am positive it wont happen. I think Kubiak and Smith are done adding players, until people start getting cut.
 
So how does the draft work? Is it first-come first-served? With only two players it doesn't seem like much of a draft.
 
Dutchrudder said:
So how does the draft work? Is it first-come first-served? With only two players it doesn't seem like much of a draft.
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It's more like a silent auction. Teams put in a bid of what round they would use a pick on a particular player, highest bid wins. The last supp draft player I remember being any good was Gaither for the Ravens, and I want to say they gave up a 3rd or a 4th on him.
 
Dutchrudder said:
So how does the draft work? Is it first-come first-served? With only two players it doesn't seem like much of a draft.
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Not sure if you know this but wanted to give you info, whatever round a supplemental player is drafted in that becomes the selecting team's pick next draft in corresponding round. It is a way to get a player early but weakness for me is the player must be better than those available in that draft and you don't know who will be there like early outs.
 
b0ng said:
It's more like a silent auction. Teams put in a bid of what round they would use a pick on a particular player, highest bid wins. The last supp draft player I remember being any good was Gaither for the Ravens, and I want to say they gave up a 3rd or a 4th on him.
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badboy said:
Not sure if you know this but wanted to give you info, whatever round a supplemental player is drafted in that becomes the selecting team's pick next draft in corresponding round. It is a way to get a player early but weakness for me is the player must be better than those available in that draft and you don't know who will be there like early outs.
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So, if it is a silent auction, what happens when two teams both bid the same number pick? Like if the Texans and Titans both bid a 6th rounder for Unga, who would get him? Or can that not happen?
 
"» Former BYU running back Harvey Unga is a popular player right now among teams. Unga has entered the supplemental draft, which is on July 15. About 20 teams watched his workout and I hear Unga could go in the third round, with the St. Louis Rams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Miami Dolphins having serious interest."

Which means if they wanted him they'd have to send up next years #2 as a bid to ensure they get him. I don't think anyone in here is advocating that.


» Former BYU running back Harvey Unga is a popular player right now among teams. Unga has entered the supplemental draft, which is on July 15. About 20 teams watched his workout and I hear Unga could go in the third round, with the St. Louis Rams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Miami Dolphins having serious interest.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...ieving-in-convenient-truths-as-camps-approach
 
Is the supplemental draft today? I know this unlikely to happen but I'm bored. So I ask the questions, if The Texans were to end up drafting Unga, what would your opinion of that move be and what would it do to our current roster?
 
Round 1 & 2 are done with noone being drafted.

Unga may go in round 3
 
edit: Bears selected Harvey Unga, RB, Brigham Young in Round 7. Cowboys selected Josh Price-Brent, DE, Illinois in Round 7.

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter


edit: sure makes Casserly look like a :clown: for drafting Hollings in the 2nd
 
This really is a good pick up for the Bears. Everyone was projecting to lose a 3rd round pick but now they got a big back for a 7th rounder. If he doesn't make the team it will not hurt very much.
 
Maybe the truth is that nobody was actually interested him and were just saying so because they wanted another team to waste a higher pick on him?...
 
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