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[CHRONIC] Running back on Texans' draft wish list

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6863543.html

Kubiak wants team to be better in ground game

Running back is a priority going into the draft. If the Texans select a back in the first or second round, they could end up with a player like Clemson's C.J. Spiller, California's Jahvid Best, Georgia Tech's Jonathan Dwyer, Mississippi State's Anthony Dixon or Fresno State's Ryan Matthews.

“We're going to find a way to get better,” Kubiak said. “It wasn't good enough last season.”
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Adding LT not likely

After learning their lesson with Ahman Green, the Texans' philosophy isn't to go after veterans at any position who are on their last legs, so to speak. That would rule out backs such as LaDainian Tomlinson and Thomas Jones.

“When you sign one of these players,” McNair said about veterans looking for one last big contract, “they've gone through their prime. They might be beyond their peak at the time their contract expires, and they're available.

“You run the risk of paying them more than anyone else. That's the only reason you got them, and they've started going downhill. So you've tied up a lot of your dollars in a player that's not going to be as productive. Typically, we'll look at good, solid players who offer a better value than the guy that has been the star player.”
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RB on Texans draft wish list? who would have known :rolleyes: simply amazing insight from Chronic McClain. Well just in case you thinking wtf :sarcasm:
 
Houston has an owner, gm and coach(s) all inexperienced and trying to learn from their mistakes. Sometimes repeated mistakes. I like Bob McNair but he is completely football stupid and has cost his team with some dumb decisions. Bob got emotional with David Carr and kept him too long. Same with Capers. Then he announced immediately after the Patriots game that Kubiak would be back. Once again emotions dictating his decision. I don't think he made his money in business this way so I have to think he handles football differently because it is totally foreign to him. The rest of the first timers under him aren't football stupid they just are learning as they go.
 
beerlover said:
RB on Texans draft wish list? who would have known :rolleyes: simply amazing insight from Chronic McClain. Well just in case you thinking wtf :sarcasm:
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Each time someone posts an article title - I think wow, just when I thought he had made the most general and obvious statement about the Texans he tops himself.

We should have a predict his next article or mock article titles thread :kitten:
 
this just in from 2009 ... the texans are interested in upgrading the runningback position with a "first day" draft pick if near bpa. :truck:
 
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Yankee_In_TX said:
Each time someone posts an article title - I think wow, just when I thought he had made the most general and obvious statement about the Texans he tops himself.

We should have a predict his next article or mock article titles thread :kitten:
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Actually, that's a pretty good idea. LOL
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
Each time someone posts an article title - I think wow, just when I thought he had made the most general and obvious statement about the Texans he tops himself.

We should have a predict his next article or mock article titles thread :kitten:
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It's pretty much a guarantee at this point that we will read an article stating that the Texans need help in the secondary and Robinson might not be a Texan this season.
 
beerlover said:
RB on Texans draft wish list? who would have known :rolleyes: simply amazing insight from Chronic McClain. Well just in case you thinking wtf :sarcasm:
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Headline

The Texan aren't going to be maor players in FA.

McNair says that the team will continue to build through the draft until 2020. Then consider trading a 40 yr old Andre Johnson for a 7th rd draft pick.

John McLame
 
John McClain special: Texans will start looking at FA players on March 5th when free agency begins.

John McClain Insider Scoop! This will affect how the Texans draft in the first 2 rounds!
 
John McClain, Capt'n Obvious

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Next from McLame....

"Texans hope to avoid key injuries in 2010 season"

"Texans hope to increase production from DT position"

"Texans seek quality depth for O-Line"

"Texans sights set on playoff run in 2010"

"McNair states Texans are still a great value despite latest ticket hike"

"Texans hope to find key contributor in 2010 draft class"
 
bckey said:
Houston has an owner, gm and coach(s) all inexperienced and trying to learn from their mistakes. Sometimes repeated mistakes. I like Bob McNair but he is completely football stupid and has cost his team with some dumb decisions. Bob got emotional with David Carr and kept him too long. Same with Capers. Then he announced immediately after the Patriots game that Kubiak would be back. Once again emotions dictating his decision. I don't think he made his money in business this way so I have to think he handles football differently because it is totally foreign to him. The rest of the first timers under him aren't football stupid they just are learning as they go.
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You mean like the owner that allowed Pollard to get away to us? Is it possible that McNair thinks he made a good business decision at the time based on the evidence he had? He could easily say you are too emotionally caught up in being a fan and what you think is right for the team.:chef:
 
OzzO said:
brusing RB and shoring up the Oline (still) would be a good place to start.
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If the Texans select a back in the first or second round,
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That there thing was not a Kubes quote. That there thingy was a McClain speculation. Their history so far, well that's quite another thing. I think it's much more likely we'll see Lonyea Miller instead of Ryan Mathews or LeGarret
Blount or Joseph Turner instead of Gerheart or Dywer. It's just what they do.
 
We all know that either spiller or Best will be with the texans in the zone blocking scheme they are perfect fits to what we do.
 
Gerhart is my first choice. I think he'll be there in the 2nd round, but gone by our pick in the 3rd, so I'd target him in the 2nd round and never look back.

El Tejano said:
I don't like going with these smaller guys.
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We already have our smaller guys, now I want a guy like Gerhart. I'm probably in the minority, but I think he'll be better than guys like Spiller. His game translates to the NFL better.
 
Just spitballin here, I say trade for Michael Bush out of Oakland. Offer Oakland a 2nd round pick for Bush, who goes 6'1 245lbs, problem solved...


Now you have in no particular order...

Slaton
Bush
Foster

that should improve the backfield drastically, no? I would give up a 2nd round pick for a 25 year old, 2 year vet rather take a chance on a rookie that "might" see the field in 2010...

Or even look to trade for Le'Ron McClain, you want a brusier, there are 2 right there for you. Both guys are being used as fullbacks right now. Imagine looking at Leech AND Bush or McClain coming through a hole....Um no sir!
 
BullNation4Life said:
Just spitballin here, I say trade for Michael Bush out of Oakland. Offer Oakland a 2nd round pick for Bush, who goes 6'1 245lbs, problem solved...


Now you have in no particular order...

Slaton
Bush
Foster

that should improve the backfield drastically, no? I would give up a 2nd round pick for a 25 year old, 2 year vet rather take a chance on a rookie that "might" see the field in 2010...

Or even look to trade for Le'Ron McClain, you want a brusier, there are 2 right there for you...
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And Oakland or Balt. would want do that...why?
 
JB said:
And Oakland or Balt. would want do that...why?
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because every team covets picks, right? If you called Oakland right now and offered this years 2nd for Bush considering he was a 4th round pick, bet ol Uncle Al's ears might perk up a bit, maybe even Baltimore's might as well on Mcclain, who was also a 4th round pick. What ever it took, make it appealing to them. Either one of those backs are better than anything you are going to get as a rookie, and are exactly what you are looking for.

Bush won't start over Fargas or McFadden, especially McFadden, he makes too much.

Both teams have an abundance of backs as it stand and both are being used as FBs, so are they really being used effectively in either teams offense?

It is all about how you sell it to either team....

If I offered you a 2nd round pick on a back that you hardly use and took in the 4th, you wouldn't take that offer?
 
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BullNation4Life said:
because every team covets picks, right? If you called Oakland right now and offered this years 2nd for Bush considering he was a 4th round pick, bet ol Uncle Al's ears might perk up a bit, maybe even Baltimore's might as well on Mcclain, who was also a 4th round pick. What ever it took, make it appealing to them. Either one of those backs are better than anything you are going to get as a rookie, and are exactly what you are looking for.

Bush won't start over Fargas or McFadden, especially McFadden, he makes too much.

Both teams have an abundance of backs as it stand and both are being used as FBs, so are they really being used effectively in either teams offense?

It is all about how you sell it to either team....

If I offered you a 2nd round pick on a back that you hardly use and took in the 4th, you wouldn't take that offer?
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I would rather have a Dwyer, Bush or Mathews fresher legs in my O. than Bush.
 
badboy said:
I would rather have a Dwyer, Bush or Mathews fresher legs in my O. than Bush.
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Fresh legs? Bush and McClain are 25 years old. Only been in the league 2 years, and have experience. Bush has a total of 218 career carries, McClain 286. I'd say those are some pretty fresh legs and they come with NFL experience....

Would take that over a rookie who has never carried the ball in the NFL any day of the week, twice on Sunday....
 
BullNation4Life said:
because every team covets picks, right? If you called Oakland right now and offered this years 2nd for Bush considering he was a 4th round pick, bet ol Uncle Al's ears might perk up a bit, maybe even Baltimore's might as well on Mcclain, who was also a 4th round pick. What ever it took, make it appealing to them. Either one of those backs are better than anything you are going to get as a rookie, and are exactly what you are looking for.

Bush won't start over Fargas or McFadden, especially McFadden, he makes too much.

Both teams have an abundance of backs as it stand and both are being used as FBs, so are they really being used effectively in either teams offense?

It is all about how you sell it to either team....

If I offered you a 2nd round pick on a back that you hardly use and took in the 4th, you wouldn't take that offer?
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While Balt. might take a 2nd for McClain there is no way I would do that for the Texans.

And Bush was Oaklands most productive rusher last season, almost wqually splitting carries with Fargas (123-129) while McFadden is ther 3rd down back...
 
JB said:
While Balt. might take a 2nd for McClain there is no way I would do that for the Texans.

And Bush was Oaklands most productive rusher last season, almost wqually splitting carries with Fargas (123-129) while McFadden is ther 3rd down back...
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Why would you not give a 2nd to Baltimore for McClain? He is a proven back in the NFL. Had 10 tds and 900+ yards as a starter in 2008. What has been the most tds any RB in the history of the Texans franchise had, 5? He is a Jerome Bettis type back and a punisher, exactly what fans want and the Texans need.

As for Bush, I still believe McFadden will be the featured back if not sharing carries with Fargas.They were using Bush as a FB once Fargas and McFadden were healthy, he was the odd man out, not McFadden and will be next year.
 
ok, im not on the gerhart wagon...ive seen him and watched his hl's and he is a PRODUCT OF GOOD RUN BLOCKING, REALLY GOOD! has no wiggle at all, and is farrr from the "white" earl campbell qouta, after he runs a 4.8 in the combine everyone will stop talking about him. and to get him in the 2nd round??? child please.
 
OK, the betting line is set at round 3 (for a RB).

I want to know how many of you will bet the line, who bets under, and who bets over?

I'd stay away from betting under. Though Round 2 might be possible.

Round 3?

Or rounds 4-7?

I like what I saw in McCluster out of Ole Miss. Anytime I watched a recap of an Ole Miss game, there he was: Running around, making people miss.
 
GP said:
OK, the betting line is set at round 3 (for a RB).

I want to know how many of you will bet the line, who bets under, and who bets over?

I'd stay away from betting under. Though Round 2 might be possible.

Round 3?

Or rounds 4-7?

I like what I saw in McCluster out of Ole Miss. Anytime I watched a recap of an Ole Miss game, there he was: Running around, making people miss.
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Though it goes against Texans/Denver RB philosophy, I'll take the under. If the Texans don't take an RB by round two, there's going to be a lot of uneasiness regarding next season.
 
disaacks3 said:
Though it goes against Texans/Denver RB philosophy, I'll take the under. If the Texans don't take an RB by round two, there's going to be a lot of uneasiness regarding next season.
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How do you feel knowing that this team didn't even DRAFT a running back last year? And now they will make the jump and go Round 1 or 2 with one?

You have forgotten that it would signal, in a huge way, that the late-round or UDFA route by Kubiak was a waste of time and energy (and maybe even a waste of playoff chances?).

Kubiak has a funny way of making sure he imposes his philosophical will upon everyone. I don't see him showing such a sign of weakness and humility by taking a guy in round 1 or 2.

And if he does, boy oh boy will he and Rick Smith put on a show and act like they got the steal of the draft. Wait and see. They'll make big noise about how so-and-so shouldn't have been available at our spot, and we had him graded as a Top 10 guy all along.

I think round 3 would be THE highest he'd go. Or he will try the UDFA route and hope for an Arian Foster-type of player to develop behind Arian.

Of course....I'm jaded, so that's just the anger and resentment talkin' right there.
 
we will draft a rb in the 3rd or 4th, prolly 4th, and no gerhart. if we drafted mccluster, thats cool cause we could use him everywhere....anyone who watched him play SPECIALLY the senior bowl....that guy is atomic

edit, mccluster wont be availiable in the 3rd or 4th round after he runs a 4.3 at the combine
 
infantrycak said:
Domanick Davis 13.



Fans may want a Jerome Bettis back but that isn't what the team needs or is built for.
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13 really? By Davis? Don't even remember those numbers and I have watched every game since 2002.

But do they not need a bruising back that can get into the redzone and score? Isn't that what everyone has been screaming about? They need a big bruiser to compliment Slaton and Foster, now they don't? I used Bettis cause of the frame but Bush and McClain both fit the profile the Texans have been wanting.
 
D-Frank said:
ok, im not on the gerhart wagon...ive seen him and watched his hl's and he is a PRODUCT OF GOOD RUN BLOCKING, REALLY GOOD! has no wiggle at all, and is farrr from the "white" earl campbell qouta, after he runs a 4.8 in the combine everyone will stop talking about him. and to get him in the 2nd round??? child please.
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Anthony Dixon.......not a "burner," but definitely a consistently productive "horse"........6'1" / 435 pounds. Dixon had eight 100-yard rushing games this season, including a 252-yard performance against Kentucky. In 2009, he also ranked 1st in the SEC with 126.5 yards rushing/G.

Though skeptics wondered if he was ready to emerge as a team leader after being arrested for a DUI [never proven because he refused testing] in July [2009], Dixon let his play do his talking, rushing for a school-record 1,391 yards. His career totals of 3,994 rushing yards [school's best all time rusher] and 42 rushing touchdowns are also school records.

Even though Dixon looks like a pure power back, he had 52 catches for 317 yards and four scores over his career, proving his versatility. He doesn't have the production or hype of a C.J. Spiller or Toby Gerhart, but is nonetheless viewed as a potential bell-cow back.
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And, yeh, his big body can do damage in pass blocking.
 
BullNation4Life said:
13 really? By Davis? Don't even remember those numbers and I have watched every game since 2002.

But do they not need a bruising back that can get into the redzone and score? Isn't that what everyone has been screaming about? They need a big bruiser to compliment Slaton and Foster, now they don't? I used Bettis cause of the frame but Bush and McClain both fit the profile the Texans have been wanting.
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The Texans need an everydown complete running back who is spelled by Slaton. If they are not able to find one of those, then a so-called power back is in play.
 
D-Frank said:
we will draft a rb in the 3rd or 4th, prolly 4th, and no gerhart. if we drafted mccluster, thats cool cause we could use him everywhere....anyone who watched him play SPECIALLY the senior bowl....that guy is atomic

edit, mccluster wont be availiable in the 3rd or 4th round after he runs a 4.3 at the combine
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People can look it up if they want to, but I was one of the few on here who watched Chris Johnson play in his ECU bowl game in Hawaii, and I said right then and there that the guy was a 1st rounder. I won't name names, but someone on here disagreed and said he was a 2nd at best and that a 1st would be a bit of a reach.

I see that same level of talent with McCluster. He has that ability to change gears, up OR down, and sees how to set it all up for big runs that wouldn't normally be there if he hadn't set it up a bit.

That's the difference between the guys who were just good in college versus the guys who have next-level skills. The next-level guys just have an ability to know what to do and when to do it. Even watching Chris Johnson, being that he's on our rival team the Titans, I still have to sit there and admit that the guy is good at what he does. It's above the norm.
 
GP said:
How do you feel knowing that this team didn't even DRAFT a running back last year? And now they will make the jump and go Round 1 or 2 with one?
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Like they already had a RB people were arguing should have been in the pro-bowl and the quality level between 5th to UDFA is negligible. They had 8 picks last year and 7 are on the team.

You have forgotten that it would signal, in a huge way, that the late-round or UDFA route by Kubiak was a waste of time and energy (and maybe even a waste of playoff chances?).
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Nothing to forget other than your assumptions. They had just spent a 3rd on a RB and it had worked out.

To answer your question - traditional first day pick so that would be a push or under.

Of course....I'm jaded, so that's just the anger and resentment talkin' right there.
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Now you're talkin'.

BullNation4Life said:
But do they not need a bruising back that can get into the redzone and score? Isn't that what everyone has been screaming about?
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You've mentioned three different issues here:
1) what fans want.
2) what the team needs.
3) what the team wants.

You also bring up a fundamental debate which is not everyone believes big backs are better for short yardage and redzone. History of the top TD guys in the NFL goes against that theory. It's a popular fan theory for any team with short yardage problems but it really isn't born out by single season rushing leaders such as Emmitt, Priest, TD, LT. Short space vision and movement is much more important to short yardage performance (the ability to see and hit the small gaps in a stacked scrum pile) than the theory that having an extra 10-15 lbs is somehow going to let the RB blow over guys who still outweigh them by 50-75 lbs.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Anthony Dixon.......not a "burner," but definitely a consistently productive "horse"........6'1" / 435 pounds. Dixon had eight 100-yard rushing games this season, including a 252-yard performance against Kentucky. In 2009, he also ranked 1st in the SEC with 126.5 yards rushing/G.



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And, yeh, his big body can do damage in pass blocking.
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Holy ****, that is a huge back!
 
infantrycak said:
Nothing to forget other than your assumptions. They had just spent a 3rd on a RB and it had worked out...
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I would have locked up Coffee in the 2nd. When round 2 was over, and Coffee had not been taken, I knew for certain that he would not be there when it was our turn--Kubiak is full of crap if he's trying to tell the media and the fans that he really thought he'd be there for us in the 3rd. Round 2 was the round to take him in. He wasn't worth a 1st, but a 2nd would not have been shameful.

Back on track now: Even though I drafted Slaton in 2008 and he worked out decently for me, I would have used a 2nd round pick on Coffee.

And then guess what? I'd be using him once Slaton's hands became Jell-O in 2009. So my way would have worked.

I'm just saying that it's not like we need to sit here and act as if there was no way we could have foreseen Slaton's problems and that we would have needed another solid RB in there. I wouldn't have rested at RB in the 2009 draft. I would have gone that route again, in round 2, with Coffee. With the passing game we have, he would have done well IMO.

Kubiak gets a fail for the following:

1. Not grabbing Coffee, then faking shock that he wasn't there in the 3rd. That they would have him rated as "available" for our pick in the 3rd round is laughable to me. Seriously? I mean, he's obviously not the 2nd Coming or anything...but then again, look at our RB crop for the past 8 years. 2nd round would have been acceptable, considering our history at the position.

2. Believing in Chris Brown to the extent he did. I just have nothing else to say here. There's no excuse for it. Probably one of the worst moves in NFL history: To have him on our roster in 2008 and then again in 2009, and then to force him on us to the extent that Kubiak did in 2009. Stoopid by even the most stringent of Stoopid classification systems.

3. Not using Foster earlier. Kubiak either thrusts RBs into the limelight to fast, over-inflating their heads, or he stashes them away until the last part of the season. The way he's gone about the RB roster has just been bizarre and erratic. With the exception of Slaton's 2008 year, Kubiak has had the worst luck with choosing his RBs and finding any consistent success.

I believe in God. And I ask God to help Gary Kubiak find one or two guys who can platoon the RB position in 2010 and do something. At this point, he's going to need divine intervention.
 
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You also bring up a fundamental debate which is not everyone believes big backs are better for short yardage and redzone. History of the top TD guys in the NFL goes against that theory. It's a popular fan theory for any team with short yardage problems but it really isn't born out by single season rushing leaders such as Emmitt, Priest, TD, LT. Short space vision and movement is much more important to short yardage performance (the ability to see and hit the small gaps in a stacked scrum pile) than the theory that having an extra 10-15 lbs is somehow going to let the RB blow over guys who still outweigh them by 50-75 lbs

if we get a good interior o line AND Slaton doesnt come in overweight then we will be fine, doesnt need to be addressed. ANY GREAT RB IN THE LEAGUE HAS A GOOD/REALLY GOOD INTERIOR!!! people really really think o line is overated... SMDH!!! agree with you Infantry
 
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