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Kubiak Supporters: Why should he stay?

barrett said:
I actually have been enjoying the banter. At least in my ring.
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Well, I don't equate calling other posters nincompoops and simpletons as good natured banter. And I'm not calling out you specifically. Just about everyone is to blame. We're already getting complaints from these threads and it will only get worse if it doesn't stop. No one wants to edit or lock threads. Just enjoy the discussions without getting personal.
 
I didn't even know I knew how to spell nincompoop! It's been very educational for me. I hope nobody EVER takes anything I say seriously on this board (unless i'm speaking about something other than football). I will make a greater attempt to be less relevant. I thought being socially irrelevant and also the only known person on the planet to have a confirmed doppleganger was a free pass to call people names since you can't say for certain it was actually me!

Again, Lucky, just kidding.
 
barrett said:
Are you dizzy yet?



I would argue that in some respect his focus on playcalling was part of it. I think as he's given over some of the responsibilities his clock management improved as well as his challenge usage.

I would argue that injuries to 3 starters on the offense this year contributed.

I would argue that having one of the youngest teams in the NFL has contributed.

I would argue that having to grow a winning attitude and confidence from scratch contributed.

I would argue that playing in a very stable division contributed.

I would argue that learning a new defensive scheme contributed.

I would argue that every running back that has taken snaps putting the ball on the ground contributed.

I would say that overall the team has continued to improve and that I would like to give him another year and assess where the team is at by the end of the season next year.
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Well im dizzy after reading this post. :) I dont see how any of the above explanations explain why Kubiak is still making the same flawed coaching decisions that he was making 4 years ago. However I do see you having a future in politics. :bender:
 
mussop said:
That is another thread and debate alltogether. For me this is about whether Kubiak is a good enough coach to take us to the next level. For the reasons yo stated above and plenty more I say NO he isnt.

Can anybody really argue that Kubiak himself has improved? Does anyone yet have any confidence in Kubiak's clock management? Does anyone yet have any confidence in his game preparation? Does anybody yet have any confidence in his ability to make in-game adjustments? Does anybody yet have any confidence that, when the game is on the line, Kubiak will make the right decisions? Does anybody yet have any confidence in his ability to make personell decisions?

I cant answer yes to any of these questions. Can you?
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Why would you want him fired if we don't have someone better to replace him with? Seems vindictive. I'm just wanting this team to succeed. It seems like some of you are wanting to punish Kubiak for letting you down. I'm not interested in that.
 
dalemurphy said:
Why would you want him fired if we don't have someone better to replace him with?
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Why assume that a replacement can't be found? Is it a complete lack of confidence in Bob McNair's ability to attract a competent and proven head coach? The reasoning that Kubiak should stay because the Texans are unable to bring in a quality coach is depressing. I guess I have more optimism. Maybe that's unfounded, but you can't fire the owner.
 
dalemurphy said:
Why would you want him fired if we don't have someone better to replace him with? Seems vindictive. I'm just wanting this team to succeed. It seems like some of you are wanting to punish Kubiak for letting you down. I'm not interested in that.
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I dont see how you can get any of that from reading my posts. I have NOTHING against Kubiak as a person. I think he is a good guy. Just not a good coach. Its my contention that Kubaik has not improved as a HC in his 4 years of coaching this team. He is not a good coach. Good coaches do not make the same mistakes over and over again as he has. I am not talking about a bad decision here and there, i'm talking about multiple bad decisions over an extended period of time. Most of which are repeat bad decisions.

I think coaching candidates has been discussed in abundance and dont even want to get into that right now. That doesnt mean I dont think it should be factored into a decision.
 
Lucky said:
Wow, we need to take the inflammatory rhetoric down a notch or two. I realize that opinions and emotions run strong on both sides. I consider myself to be a huge fan of this team, and I've convinced myself that I'm 101% dead-on-balls-accurate on this issue. Just as everyone else is totally convinced of their opinion.

And I also realize that good nature poking can turn into something uglier. That's what has happened here and in many of the other Kubiak threads. Rather than having the mods go into them all and start whacking away at posts and posts quoting abusive posts, let's just stop making personal assertions altogether, and stick to facts and opinions regarding the coach, the players, and the organization. Attack the message, not the messenger.
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mussop said:
I dont see how you can get any of that from reading my posts. I have NOTHING against Kubiak as a person. I think he is a good guy. Just not a good coach. Its my contention that Kubaik has not improved as a HC in his 4 years of coaching this team. He is not a good coach. Good coaches do not make the same mistakes over and over again as he has. I am not talking about a bad decision here and there, i'm talking about multiple bad decisions over an extended period of time. Most of which are repeat bad decisions.

I think coaching candidates has been discussed in abundance and dont even want to get into that right now. That doesnt mean I dont think it should be factored into a decision.
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You can't separate one from another. If Kubiak is fired, he has to be replaced by someone. Who? is what it's all about. You show me a staff and plan that is better than the one we have now, and I would be happy to fire Kubiak. Simply firing Kubiak because you're upset with the season doesn't solve anything.

What are these reoccuring bad decisions that Kubiak makes that you are alluding to?
 
Wow...just Wow!

This debate can go on until the start of next season or until a change is made. I think what we all need to realize is that everyone here is a fan of the team and has an opinion on what it will take to make the team better. But, in the end, the only opinion that counts is the one held by Bob McNair. And while he is a fan, primarily Bob McNaair is a businessman.... a very successful businessman. And he will also make a business decision, not a fan decision.
He hired GK on a five year business plan with every intention of giving him five years to implement his plan. As a business owner, you give your guy his allotted contract unless he is totally screwing you over.

The Texans have been competitive (not nearly enough for me), and they certainly have not cost Uncle Bob any money. The team has not quit on GK like they did on Capers, and they have not been too much of an embarrasement.

The bottom line will come down to what is best for the Texans and Bob McNair and will be a business decision.

personally, after the HB pass abortion, I was screaming to fire everyone; but, it is now Thursday night and I am ready to move on to the seachickens and how we gonna kick the daylights outts em!:fans:

ps...I may have had just a touch too much JB to coherently post here and I am sure my spelling sucks, so all grammer and spelling nazis just leave me alone.

pps... We all have opinions here, and we all know about opinions...they are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink...

..unless they agree with me...lol
 
JB said:
Wow...just Wow!
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donno why its so shocking to see fans of the team with different opinions after 44 Kubiak coached games and absolutely zero big wins.

JB said:
pps... We all have opinions here, and we all know about opinions...they are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink...
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That's what the forum is for...I thought that was assumed.
 
How do you guys grade Mike Tomlin's coaching performance tonight? Must win game versus Cleveland and they look confused, unfocused, cold, and bad!
 
dalemurphy said:
You can't separate one from another. If Kubiak is fired, he has to be replaced by someone. Who? is what it's all about. You show me a staff and plan that is better than the one we have now, and I would be happy to fire Kubiak. Simply firing Kubiak because you're upset with the season doesn't solve anything.

What are these reoccuring bad decisions that Kubiak makes that you are alluding to?
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You don't see the redundancy in Gary "it's on me" Kubiak? If you can't see it, don't worry. It's on him and he's gonna get it cleaned up. Here is the latest...

Gary Kubiak has repeatedly touched on special-teams penalties when he’s reviewed games. Here’s a piece of his Monday news conference this week:

“Once again we had two special-teams penalties which has kind of been an issue for us. We had a big false start on fourth-and-3 down in the red zone. It goes with the other mistakes. Obviously the reason we’re losing some close football games is because we’re the team that’s making some of the big mistakes at crucial times in the game, whether it’s a turnover, whether it’s a big penalty. And it’s hard enough to win in this league when you’re doing things right, and when you’re adding these type of issues to the game then it makes it even more difficult. Obviously for us to get back going in the right direction, these things have got to get cleaned up.”
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I guess Gary is saying the coaching let the players down again. Ok, well maybe not this week.

According to Elias Sports Bureau, the Texans are tied with three teams for the third-most special-teams penalties in the league with 18 -- that’s an unacceptable 1.5 a game.
dalemurphy said:
You can't separate one from another. If Kubiak is fired, he has to be replaced by someone. Who? is what it's all about. You show me a staff and plan that is better than the one we have now, and I would be happy to fire Kubiak. Simply firing Kubiak because you're upset with the season doesn't solve anything.

What are these reoccuring bad decisions that Kubiak makes that you are alluding to?
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You don't see the redundancy in Gary "it's on me" Kubkiak? But, don't worry. It's on him and he's gonna get it cleaned up. Here is the latest...

Gary Kubiak has repeatedly touched on special-teams penalties when he’s reviewed games. Here’s a piece of his Monday news conference this week:

“Once again we had two special-teams penalties which has kind of been an issue for us. We had a big false start on fourth-and-3 down in the red zone. It goes with the other mistakes. Obviously the reason we’re losing some close football games is because we’re the team that’s making some of the big mistakes at crucial times in the game, whether it’s a turnover, whether it’s a big penalty. And it’s hard enough to win in this league when you’re doing things right, and when you’re adding these type of issues to the game then it makes it even more difficult. Obviously for us to get back going in the right direction, these things have got to get cleaned up.”
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I guess Gary is saying the coaching let the players down again.

According to Elias Sports Bureau, the Texans are tied with three teams for the third-most special-teams penalties in the league with 18 -- that’s an unacceptable 1.5 a game.
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"That may be on Marciano, but if it is a chronic problem, you know it's on me" - Kubes

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/6781/texans-get-1-5-special-teams-flags-a-game
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"That may be on Marciano, but if it is a chronic problem, you know it's on me" - Kubes
 
dalemurphy said:
How do you guys grade Mike Tomlin's coaching performance tonight? Must win game versus Cleveland and they look confused, unfocused, cold, and bad!
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What are you trying to say? one quarter of play on Thursday night football equates to 44 games of Kubiak's .500 or bust patrol?
 
I'm guessing there's some other reason why people like Kubiak so much that they aren't letting onto. This thread's devolved into the same ol' same ol'.

It looks like it's pretty hard to say what you like about the guy without
a) making excuses for him
b) comparing him to a perennial playoff coach that he must be superior to
or
c) comparing him to a phantom coach that the Texans have yet to hire.

What do you like about the guy?

Is he a really a good coach? Or did he say something that got you fired up at a pancake breakfast?
 
Mr. White said:
I'm guessing there's some other reason why people like Kubiak so much that they aren't letting onto. This thread's devolved into the same ol' same ol'.

It looks like it's pretty hard to say what you like about the guy without
a) making excuses for him
b) comparing him to a perennial playoff coach that he must be superior to
or
c) comparing him to a phantom coach that the Texans have yet to hire.

What do you like about the guy?

Is he a really a good coach? Or did he say something that got you fired up at a pancake breakfast?
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What do you hate about the guy?


Is he a really a bad coach? Or did he say something that got you pissed off at a wienie cocktail?
 
JB said:
What do you hate about the guy?


Is he a really a bad coach? Or did he say something that got you pissed off at a wienie cocktail?
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I can't speak for him but I bet he doesn't hate kubiak...Who can hate this guy? It may be his inability to win an important game or have more than 5 wins before week 14 in 3 years and 48 regular season games. Donno, but I'm thinking i'm bingo on this one.
 
sorry to end this debate but I just stumbled onto this little gem from a fella named Joe:

Joe Texan said:
Gary Kubiak has taken a team that could not win against the Katy Tigers and got them to a level where we compete with every team in the league.
He will have one more year to prove his ability and take us to the promise land.
It is easy to forget 2 and 12 but it is still in our history so get ready for 1 more year and one hell of a playoff run. Remember the Superbowl is in Cowboys Stadium and I want to win that so bad I can taste it. So all you soap crazy couch coaches put the soap back in the shower and lets get behind this team like Luv Ya Blue.
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Gimmie a freakin' wall!!!!!!
 
dalemurphy said:
How do you guys grade Mike Tomlin's coaching performance tonight? Must win game versus Cleveland and they look confused, unfocused, cold, and bad!
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Yes... and when Kubiak wins a bleeping Superbowl, he can have a year or two of suckitude.
 
dalemurphy said:
You can't separate one from another. If Kubiak is fired, he has to be replaced by someone. Who? is what it's all about. You show me a staff and plan that is better than the one we have now, and I would be happy to fire Kubiak. Simply firing Kubiak because you're upset with the season doesn't solve anything.

What are these reoccuring bad decisions that Kubiak makes that you are alluding to?
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Seriously Dale? Do I really need to list all Kubiaks poor in-game decisions, poor personell decisions and his all the instinces of poor game preperation?

In Kubiak own words "if it is a chronic problem, you know it's on me" - Kubes
 
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dalemurphy said:
What are these reoccuring bad decisions that Kubiak makes that you are alluding to?
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Here are some you may or may not agree with:

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Their self-evaluation is horrid! Here's about a dozen examples:

1. In the off-season, they inexplicably don't address the safety position. So, they are content with Barber, Wilson, and Ferguson as primary backup. We had cap room and also players like Sean Jones available for almost nothing.

2. RB: Guys like Rashod Jennings, Javon Ringer, Gatrell Johnson... were available in the last couple rounds of the draft. They didn't address it in the draft or in FA.

3. Also, regarding RB, they come out of the bye with the idea that Chris Brown is their best option at HB... Moats looked great at Indy and today yet he couldn't get touches even with Slaton sidelined.

4. Busing!: I told Barrett early in the first quarter today, that they can't win with this guy at safety. For some reason, he played the entire first half and was responsible for almost every big play.

5. Deljuan Robinson: can't see the field, even though he's our best DT.

6. Chris White: he sucks and he isn't any more disciplined or reliable than Caldwell. There is no way he should be playing ahead of Caldwell!

7. Duane Brown!!: love him, but clearly he was hurt and ineffective today. Butler, who I have a lot of faith in, should've had the start at LT.

8. They still haven't figured out that our current group of OLmen can't run the zone scheme every freakin' play!

9. 2 weeks late pulling Fred Bennett out of the lineup!... oh yeah, what a contribution he made today on special teams.

10. Winston should've been slid into guard with Butler moved to RT... Winston isn't a very good edge pass blocker and with the injuries at guard, it's amazing to me that this hasn't even been a consideration!

11. Give Schaub some freedom to audible at the LOS!!!!!!!!.. Why on earth is Kyle Shanahan more qualified to call plays than Matt Schaub? Schaub's intelligent and knows what he's doing. Instead, they continue to handcuff him.

12. Richard Smith lasted 3 seasons! that's too long. If you're working with a guy every day for years, it shouldn't take 3 years to realize he's a moron!
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First off, note the avatar. That tells you all you need to know about where I stand.

That said, I'm curious what some of you think Kubiak is supposed to say at press conferences other than "it's on me". Seems like too much weight is being put on meaningless cliches. IMO, if there hadn't been a single press conference or interview all year, I'd have enough evidence to say he needs to go. Pointing to any of the meaningless things he says during PCs is just sort of silly. If I were Kubiak, I wouldn't do PCs at all. It's a no win situation.

Oh, and the post above this is epic LOL.
 
Runner said:
Here are some you may or may not agree with:
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I don't see that list as a reoccuring issue. I see it as his weakness as a coach and something that needs to be fixed. If you follow any organization, you can come up with a similar list.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Yes... and when Kubiak wins a bleeping Superbowl, he can have a year or two of suckitude.
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This is where all you guys are illogical. I'll certainly agree that Mike Tomlin did a better job preparing/coaching the Steelers in 2008 than Kubiak did in 2008. Fine. Absolutely. However, most of you didn't want Kubiak fired after last season. This year, you all want Kubiak fired because you don't think he's a good coach. My point is that good coaches lead teams to disappointing seasons sometimes and perhaps he is a good coach. Mike Tomlin is an example: apparently a coach winning a Superbowl is strong evidence to most of you the quality of a coach... So, Tomlin must be pretty good. And yet, his very talented and experienced team has been playing like dogcrap for over a month. They are on a 5 game losing streak with losses to: KC, Oakland, and Cleveland.

Now, of course this doesn't mean that Kubiak is a good coach, only that one disappointing season doesn't mean he's a bad one. You argue that he would receive more patience if he had won a Superbowl. Well, that's pretty silly considering there isn't a coach in the history of the NFL that could've gotten the 2006-2008 Texans to the Superbowl. If you want to argue that coaches have a lot of responsibility in the talent development and acquisition of a football team and perhaps one of these great coaches would've done it better, then you are acknowledging the central point to what Barrett and I have been arguing: he has turned a pathetic franchise into a young, developing, and talented football team that legitimately can compete with the best team's in the NFL. So, regardless of the concerns I have regarding his coaching, I think that warrants another season with him as head coach... not because I want to reward him or like him but because I can't think of a scenario for next season that seems more likely to get this team well into the playoffs. Furthermore, I keep asking you guys that want him fired, to tell me what the plan is for his replacement and for the GM, OC, DC, etc... and nobody has an answer. To me, that's an alarming and irresponsible way to handle the team. That kind of response and insistence to fire him without even knowing who would be in place next season is a philosophy that seems less concerned with the progress of the team next year and more concerned with getting some sort of revenge against Kubiak for letting you down this year.
 
I have tried to be objective in this exercise by taking time to think why we should keep him as Head Coach - not as GM, Director of Player Personnel, Drinking Buddy, 12th Man, Offensive Coordinator - and could not think of any reason why. However, in that search I was trying to find something that was indefensible. I even tried the question "why would another GM/Owner hire Kubiak as HC" and was dumbfounded. Of course, he would be a great OC candidate.

Kubiak's offense is light years ahead of what we had before, but that had everything to do with Carr, so nothing+1 will of course be better.

As with many folks, I like Kubiak, but have heavily invested into the Texans and do not believe he is the guy to take us to the playoffs, let alone win a playoff game with him as HC.

The threads these days are about Kubiak, but for this fan this it has always been about the Texans - no more kids, no more scripts, no more first time coordinators flanking first time head coaches, no more cronyism.
 
barrett said:
I must have missed myself talking about offense rankings when my head was up there. Or you're putting words in my mouth that is up my ass. Why are you in here with me?

At this stage, apparently, the best the team can do is .500. My assessment that despite the win/loss record the team is much improved. How do you not see that? Do you really only see the win/loss record? That is too simplistic of a view in my opinion. I think there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Kubiak is on the right track and therefore should remain the head coach.
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Here, I'll make it simple with Dick and Jane examples.

1) Poor Talent and 8-8 = Good job
2) Improved Talent 8-8 = Disappointed but OK
3) Talented and 8-8 or below = Regression

You aren't building if you have an improved offense, an improved defense and more talent and you end up at the SAME PLACE!!!! The one constant in the equations is COACH.
 
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dalemurphy said:
Bill Belichek has lost two games this season by going for 4th downs when it made no sense to do so. All five games they've lost (with Tom Brady at QB, by the way!) they had at least a 7pt lead, and had significant 2nd half leads in 4 of the 5 losses.

Mike Tomlin- They just lost at home to freakin' Oakland with a 4th quarter lead, in a must win game.

Mike Smith- Played Michael Turner one week after a high ankle sprain and set him back 3 weeks.

John Fox- watch Carolina play, and explain to me what he's doing right.


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All winners who have been to the SB or playoffs. Not people leveling out with more talent at .500. How is this so hard?
 
dalemurphy said:
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I don't see that list as a reoccuring issue. I see it as his weakness as a coach and something that needs to be fixed. If you follow any organization, you can come up with a similar list.
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Of course you don't. The fact that many of these issues have been there draft after draft, year after year, or game after game only looks like they are recurring issues if you don't look at them from the right angle.

It seems denial of problems is a staple of the reasoning of why Kubiak should be retained, along with "the next guy might not be better". Since I assume Kubiak will be back for a fifth year, I hope he and the team management take a different approach. I'd like to see them identify the problems they have and address them. Putting their collective head in the sand and hoping things get better probably won't work.

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You really don't do your argument any justice by relying on bluster and spin. Earlier this week you could obviously see issues that exist, but now you are once again just dismissive of anything that doesn't agree with the theory that Kubiak has had optimum performance here. I made a list of a few things that supported Kubiak staying on this thread, but I don't know if you could come up with any reason that he doesn't deserve a fifth year. This makes your posts appear intellectually dishonest to me, and I think that makes them carry far less weight than they could.

I also realize you don't care what I or most others think.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Tomlin was handed his Super Bowl no different than your beloved Barry Switzer.
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Come on TB. Tomlin has done a good job, whether handed or not. They have a ton of injuries this year. The point is that you can't live in a bubble and take successful organizations and coaches and then say that because they are having a bad year this year, they are on the same playing field as Kubes, who hasn't done anything. Hell, Chan Gailey took the Cowboys to the playoffs his first year. Let me see...offensive guru with Pitt, great coordinator...ok coach.
 
Runner said:
Of course you don't. The fact that many of these issues have been there draft after draft, year after year, or game after game only looks like they are recurring issues if you don't look at them from the right angle.

It seems denial of problems is a staple of the reasoning of why Kubiak should be retained, along with "the next guy might not be better". Since I assume Kubiak will be back for a fifth year, I hope he and the team management take a different approach. I'd like to see them identify the problems they have and address them. Putting their collective head in the sand and hoping things get better probably won't work.

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You really don't do your argument any justice by relying on bluster and spin. Earlier this week you could obviously see issues that exist, but now you are once again just dismissive of anything that doesn't agree with the theory that Kubiak has had optimum performance here. I made a list of a few things that supported Kubiak staying on this thread, but I don't know if you could come up with any reason that he doesn't deserve a fifth year. This makes your posts appear intellectually dishonest to me, and I think that makes them carry far less weight than they could.

I also realize you don't care what I or most others think.
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What spin? My argument is that :

1. I have concerns with Kubiak
2. He hasn't done a good job as coach this year
3. I'd replace him if there was a better option and plan in place
4. Good coaches can have bad seasons.
5. Give him another year and don't blow this think up simply because we're disappointed with this season.

It's not about Kubiak. I'm concerned with thist team being successful next season... that is the reason why I want him to stay unless someone has a good plan that can be successfully implemented next year. I don't think a successful plan is: fire Kubiak and then start looking for a replacement.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Come on TB. Tomlin has done a good job, whether handed or not. They have a ton of injuries this year. The point is that you can't live in a bubble and take successful organizations and coaches and then say that because they are having a bad year this year, they are on the same playing field as Kubes, who hasn't done anything. Hell, Chan Gailey took the Cowboys to the playoffs his first year. Let me see...offensive guru with Pitt, great coordinator...ok coach.
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Why does Tomlin get a pass because of injuries??? Owen Daniels isn't a huge loss?? Dude was on pace for 80+ receptions and 1000+ yards.

W/o Polamalu 0-5
w/o OD 0-4
 
dalemurphy said:
What spin? My argument is that :

1. I have concerns with Kubiak
2. He hasn't done a good job as coach this year
3. I'd replace him if there was a better option and plan in place
4. Good coaches can have bad seasons.
5. Give him another year and don't blow this think up simply because we're disappointed with this season.

It's not about Kubiak. I'm concerned with thist team being successful next season... that is the reason why I want him to stay unless someone has a good plan that can be successfully implemented next year. I don't think a successful plan is: fire Kubiak and then start looking for a replacement.
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So the question is, what is Kubiak's plan for next year? I would like to know.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Why does Tomlin get a pass because of injuries??? Owen Daniels isn't a huge loss?? Dude was on pace for 80+ receptions and 1000+ yards.

W/o Polamalu 0-5
w/o OD 0-4
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I'm not giving him a pass. I'm just saying that he is dealing with that this year...their O-line and D-Line too...and has a SB as trump card. You say he was gifted the team. But he won with the talent. Gary allegedly has a better offense, defense and more talent but has shown that he can go 5-7 through 13 weeks 3 years straight and can turn talent and better stats into a whole lotta mediocre. The argument in the other thread about Pitt giving coaches time...Knoll was 11-3 his 4th season and had won more games each year until then. Cowher took over and won off the bat for 3-4 years straight before they restocked and did it again. Tomlin got the torch from him. Apples and Oranges
 
HoustonFrog said:
I'm not giving him a pass. I'm just saying that he is dealing with that this year...their O-line and D-Line too...and has a SB as trump card. You say he was gifted the team. But he won with the talent. Gary allegedly has a better offense, defense and more talent but has shown that he can go 5-7 through 13 weeks 3 years straight and can turn talent and better stats into a whole lotta mediocre. the argument in the other thread about Oitt giving coaches time...Knoll was 11-3 his 4th season and had won more games each year until then. Cowher took over and won off the bat for 3-4 years straight before they restocked and did it again. Tomlin got the torch from him. Apples and Oranges
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No one can argue with Chuck Noll. I hated the guy (facing him twice a season), but there is no denying his accomplishments. 4 Super Bowls in 6 years?? That's awesome and that's why he's in the HOF.

Again, it's Barry Switzer light. I probably could've coached that team and taken them to the Super Bowl. Now that he faces adversity (i.e. injuries) he either gets a pass because of, or he sucks because he can't overcome adversity.

Cowher was handed a defense that included Greg Lloyd, Hardy Nickerson, Rod Woodson and Carnell Lake... I think I could do pretty well with that group too..
 
Texan_Bill said:
No one can argue with Chuck Noll. I hated the guy (facing him twice a season), but there is no denying his accomplishments. 4 Super Bowls in 6 years?? That's awesome and that's why he's in the HOF.

Again, it's Barry Switzer light. I probably could've coached that team and taken them to the Super Bowl. Now that he faces adversity (i.e. injuries) he either gets a pass because of, or he sucks because he can't overcome adversity.

Cowher was handed a defense that included Greg Lloyd, Hardy Nickerson, Rod Woodson and Carnell Lake... I think I could do pretty well with that group too..
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You really think that Tomlin is Barry Switzer "lite?" If that's the truth, then he'll be out of the league in 2 more years.

Does anyone really think that'll happen?
 
Kaiser Toro said:
So the question is, what is Kubiak's plan for next year? I would like to know.
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On offense, I'm hopeful that Alex Gibbs will be gone and the running game will be addressed with more open minds. They need to incorporate some counter-action in their run game, as well as draw plays, etc.. I'm also hopeful that they will work to improve the interior OL depth and RB situation.

Defensively, other than some upgrades at DT and maybe CB, as well as safety depth, I think an off-season for all those young guys will allow Frank Bush to incorporate a little more disguise in the coverages and blitzes. Basicly, though, just continuing to build on this season.

I think this team will be able to close games out much better if it gets a good running game. I don't think Kubiak has the mindset to blow people away with a pass-dominate offense. So, if this team is going to make real noise next season, the running game has gotta be fixed!
 
HoustonFrog said:
I'm not giving him a pass. I'm just saying that he is dealing with that this year...their O-line and D-Line too...and has a SB as trump card. You say he was gifted the team. But he won with the talent. Gary allegedly has a better offense, defense and more talent but has shown that he can go 5-7 through 13 weeks 3 years straight and can turn talent and better stats into a whole lotta mediocre. The argument in the other thread about Pitt giving coaches time...Knoll was 11-3 his 4th season and had won more games each year until then. Cowher took over and won off the bat for 3-4 years straight before they restocked and did it again. Tomlin got the torch from him. Apples and Oranges
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Show me one respected football person that would argue that the Texan roster is better and more talented than the Steeler's roster!

I'm hopeful it will be in a year or two as Pitt gets older and the young talent for the Texans mature... but, come on! You must think Rick Smith is a miracle worker if you think the Texans have passed up Pittsburgh in talent.
 
Mr. White said:
You really think that Tomlin is Barry Switzer "lite?" If that's the truth, then he'll be out of the league in 2 more years.

Does anyone really think that'll happen?
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No I don't think it'll happen. Dallas turns coaches over. Pittsburgh sticks with coaches.
 
dalemurphy said:
I don't see that list as a reoccuring issue. I see it as his weakness as a coach and something that needs to be fixed. If you follow any organization, you can come up with a similar list.
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Are you kidding? Those were all good examples of poor coaching personell decisions. The sad thing is that that list is just the tip of the iceburg. There are many many more and there is a long list of examples of his poor in-game management, his poor clock management, his poor game preperations and just overall piss poor coaching. Kubiak is a bad HC. I see no indication that one more year is going change that. I wish someone would give me one shred of evidence to the contrary.

You want a game plan, here is one for you. Get a better more competant coach. It shouldnt be hard. Kubiac hasnt improved as a coach in 4 years of on the job training. If he were a player or assistant coach he wouldnt have a job right now. It amazes me that people are wanting to give him a pass because of fear of taking a step back.

You know Im not going to convince you and you arent going to convinve me one way or the other on this one. We have 4 more weeks of watching this bafoon trip over his own feet and I have no doubt he will hang himself, so lets just sit back and enjoy the show. If he somehow miraculoulsy turns into a good coach in that time I will be as happy as anyone here. I just dont see it.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Why does Tomlin get a pass because of injuries??? Owen Daniels isn't a huge loss?? Dude was on pace for 80+ receptions and 1000+ yards.

W/o Polamalu 0-5
w/o OD 0-4
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Oh I dont know maybe because he has actually had success and he doesnt make boneheaded mistakes over and over. Maybe?
 
eriadoc said:
First off, note the avatar. That tells you all you need to know about where I stand.

That said, I'm curious what some of you think Kubiak is supposed to say at press conferences other than "it's on me". Seems like too much weight is being put on meaningless cliches. IMO, if there hadn't been a single press conference or interview all year, I'd have enough evidence to say he needs to go. Pointing to any of the meaningless things he says during PCs is just sort of silly. If I were Kubiak, I wouldn't do PCs at all. It's a no win situation.

Oh, and the post above this is epic LOL.
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Well since this seem to be directed at me, two points:

1. Yes it is silly, which was part of the reason I posted them. This thread and others like it get a bit deep and heated, so I was just having fun.

2. More importantly, the Kubiak quotes are true. Inconsistency with teams are the head coach's responsibility, plain and simple. Some of us, like yourself, want him to be held accountable for the obvious failure in his responsibilities, while others want to delay that accountability.

You mention that they are clichés, but that is only because a cliché by one definition is an overused truth that becomes stale. Perhaps Kubiak repeating the same excuse over and over is what turned it into a cliché, but that does not mean it's not true.
 
hilarious. potd Runner

dalemurphy said:
What are these reoccuring bad decisions that Kubiak makes that you are alluding to?
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Runner said:
Here are some you may or may not agree with:
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dalemurphy said:
Their self-evaluation is horrid! Here's about a dozen examples:

1. In the off-season, they inexplicably don't address the safety position. So, they are content with Barber, Wilson, and Ferguson as primary backup. We had cap room and also players like Sean Jones available for almost nothing.

2. RB: Guys like Rashod Jennings, Javon Ringer, Gatrell Johnson... were available in the last couple rounds of the draft. They didn't address it in the draft or in FA.

3. Also, regarding RB, they come out of the bye with the idea that Chris Brown is their best option at HB... Moats looked great at Indy and today yet he couldn't get touches even with Slaton sidelined.

4. Busing!: I told Barrett early in the first quarter today, that they can't win with this guy at safety. For some reason, he played the entire first half and was responsible for almost every big play.

5. Deljuan Robinson: can't see the field, even though he's our best DT.

6. Chris White: he sucks and he isn't any more disciplined or reliable than Caldwell. There is no way he should be playing ahead of Caldwell!

7. Duane Brown!!: love him, but clearly he was hurt and ineffective today. Butler, who I have a lot of faith in, should've had the start at LT.

8. They still haven't figured out that our current group of OLmen can't run the zone scheme every freakin' play!

9. 2 weeks late pulling Fred Bennett out of the lineup!... oh yeah, what a contribution he made today on special teams.

10. Winston should've been slid into guard with Butler moved to RT... Winston isn't a very good edge pass blocker and with the injuries at guard, it's amazing to me that this hasn't even been a consideration!

11. Give Schaub some freedom to audible at the LOS!!!!!!!!.. Why on earth is Kyle Shanahan more qualified to call plays than Matt Schaub? Schaub's intelligent and knows what he's doing. Instead, they continue to handcuff him.

12. Richard Smith lasted 3 seasons! that's too long. If you're working with a guy every day for years, it shouldn't take 3 years to realize he's a moron!
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dalemurphy said:
Show me one respected football person that would argue that the Texan roster is better and more talented than the Steeler's roster!
I'm hopeful it will be in a year or two as Pitt gets older and the young talent for the Texans mature... but, come on! You must think Rick Smith is a miracle worker if you think the Texans have passed up Pittsburgh in talent.
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I never said that. My argument goes back to someone saying that we need to keep coaches in place like Pitt did. I said "because they won." Eventually it led to Tomlin. I said Tomlin won a SB with talent. Gary has more talent on the team this year compared to other years, a better O and D and is still at the same place. It didn't mean more that Pitt.
 
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