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Bud wants his Vince!

Hookem Horns

Hookem Horns

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http://www.tennessean.com/article/2...er+wants+Vince+Young+to+start+against+Jaguars

Following the 59-0 loss to the Patriots on Oct. 18 that dropped the Titans to 0-6, Adams told The Tennessean he’d made Coach Jeff Fisher aware of his desire to see Young play.

In the past week the 86-year-old owner has been more direct, according to sources familiar with the situation. Adams wants the change now.
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all hysterical Young bashing aside, he definitely needs to start. there's no point in Collins playing.
 
kastofsna said:
all hysterical Young bashing aside, he definitely needs to start. there's no point in Collins playing.
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It will probably happen sometime soon, but seriously how bad does Young have to present in practice/study that Fisher is this resolute on not playing him? Fisher if not on the ledge of getting fired is walking toward it and this is one of the most visible issues. He has to be pretty darn determined about Young to do this.
 
infantrycak said:
It will probably happen sometime soon, but seriously how bad does Young have to present in practice/study that Fisher is this resolute on not playing him? Fisher if not on the ledge of getting fired is walking toward it and this is one of the most visible issues. He has to be pretty darn determined about Young to do this.
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Agreed. This can't just be Fisher being stubborn. There has to be something that Young is/isn't doing that makes him so sure he shouldn't start.

On the flip side, this season is over for them. They need to get Vince out there and see what he can do so they can decide if he is their future or not. The longer they wait the less sure they will be by the time the draft comes around.
 
bah007 said:
Agreed. This can't just be Fisher being stubborn. There has to be something that Young is/isn't doing that makes him so sure he shouldn't start.

On the flip side, this season is over for them. They need to get Vince out there and see what he can do so they can decide if he is their future or not. The longer they wait the less sure they will be by the time the draft comes around.
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Apparently, the only one unsure is Bud. Bud should have pushed for outing sausage boy last year, and had a real QB that could step in effectively at the beginning of THIS year when the Tacks were showing signs of flaming beyond just their helmets. Bud screwed Houston. Now he's found more creative ways to further his legacy in Tennessee.
 
hmmmm...good ol' Bud...Nashville never really got to experience young Bud...no, not like we lived with for so many years. This story brings us back to those days of yesteryear...

"The Sith must be ruled by a single leader, the very embodiment of the strength and power of the dark side. If the leader grows weak, another must rise to seize the mantle."
―Darth Revan's holocron
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It's obvious that Darth Budious wants his young apprentice to undermine Fisher's Jedi council.

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So, did Fisher wear the Manning jersey after Bud told him to play VY? :hmmm:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Apparently, the only one unsure is Bud. Bud should have pushed for outing sausage boy last year, and had a real QB that could step in effectively at the beginning of THIS year when the Tacks were showing signs of flaming beyond just their helmets. Bud screwed Houston. Now he's found more creative ways to further his legacy in Tennessee.
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I'm not complaining. The worse it gets up there the happier I will be.
 
Personally, I'm hoping Fisher holds out as long as possible. He's going to be fired anyway, but if the Tacks see what they have in VY for sure this season, then they may bring in another QB. If they go into next season not quite sure what they have, then they're more likely to ruin next season finding out.
 
Here is an interesting article about what was going down circa 1994. It exposes Bud for what he is, and it also shows Les and Drayton to be not much different, IMO. They just held out longer than Bud.

Wanna Buy a RoboDome?

Rumors of a downtown facility of various kinds have swirled since the completion of the George R. Brown Convention Center in 1987. Official word was leaked by Mayor Bob Lanier late last November, when he informed Channel 13/KTRK's Tell It Like It Is sports-media forum that there was a "radical" stadium proposal on the table.

"What the mayor has done," explained Harris County Commissioner Steve Radack, "is thrown a topwater lure out there to see who's gonna snap at it -- to see what kind of big fish he might get on the line."

The big fish were biting. In the November 23 Houston Post, both the Houston Rockets and the Oilers confirmed having talks with Lanier about the proposed stadium. Lanier and Rockets owner Leslie Alexander tossed the idea around in public during the Rockets' November 20 victory over the Los Angeles Clippers.
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p.s. ONE MAN made the decision. Nobody ran anyone out of town. ONE MAN made the decision. ;)
 
Double Barrel said:
Lanier offered Bud a new stadium. How did he screw him again?

ONE MAN made the decision. ONE MAN.
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Back in Houston, Lanier started to crack. He offered a deal to build an open-air stadium for Adams. But Adams decided it was too little too late, and besides, it supposedly was too hot to play outside in Houston.
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ONE MAN made the decision.

I wish people would read the article entitled: "NFL Oilers: A Case Study in Corporate Welfare."

I've posted it several times as well as Hervoyel.
 
Ooh, I'd like to see that conversation with Young go down.

(umm.... yeah - not intended)

I wonder if Jeff Fisher will be able to keep a straight face while he informs Vince that he's now the starter of an 0-6 team and is expected to turn the team around. Way to hoist them on your shoulders Vince.

(ummm....)
 
Double Barrel said:
Lanier offered Bud a new stadium. How did he screw him again?

ONE MAN made the decision. ONE MAN.
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That's not my recollection at all ? Lanier made improvements at the old Astrodome (a stadium where the Oilers were only a tenant and shared the facility with the Astros), that included some suites and several thousand additional seats, but nothing like a new stadium built specifically for the
football teams. Adams had to go to Nashville to get that deal.
Of course Lanier turned around later and built his buddy Drayton McClain a new baseball stadium. That's the story I remember.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Back in Houston, Lanier started to crack. He offered a deal to build an open-air stadium for Adams. But Adams decided it was too little too late, and besides, it supposedly was too hot to play outside in Houston.
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ONE MAN made the decision.

I wish people would read the article entitled: "NFL Oilers: A Case Study in Corporate Welfare."

I've posted it several times as well as Hervoyel.
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nunusguy said:
That's not my recollection at all ? Lanier made improvements at the old Astrodome (a stadium where the Oilers were only a tenant and shared the facility with the Astros), that included some suites and several thousand additional seats, but nothing like a new stadium built specifically for the
football teams. Adams had to go to Nashville to get that deal.
Of course Lanier turned around later and built his buddy Drayton McClain a new baseball stadium. That's the story I remember.
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You just forgot two components (it's hell getting old ;) ):
A) Bud was offered a stadium
B) He chose to go to Nashville anyway.
 
Texan_Bill said:
You just forgot two components (it's hell getting old ;) ):
A) Bud was offered a stadium
B) He chose to go to Nashville anyway.
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We're still paying on the dome after all these years . I watched Alabama at the rodeo during the renovation period and froze my butt off because of the open spaces due to construction . I was to cold to drink beer .

He also decided to make a play for his new stadium after going 2-14 . He threatened to go to Nashville in a routine that looked like the Jacksonville ploy . Nashville called his bluff and got Bud to agree to an exclusive negotiating period to where he agreed to 10 years of guaranteed sellouts . If he backed out not only would he look stupid , he had no leverage .
 
nunusguy said:
That's not my recollection at all ? Lanier made improvements at the old Astrodome (a stadium where the Oilers were only a tenant and shared the facility with the Astros), that included some suites and several thousand additional seats, but nothing like a new stadium built specifically for the
football teams. Adams had to go to Nashville to get that deal.
Of course Lanier turned around later and built his buddy Drayton McClain a new baseball stadium. That's the story I remember.
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Read both articles posted by Bill and I. Your memory will be refreshed. The devil is in the details.

Besides, Bud could have out-waited a mayor, who is just an elected official. By that point, Bud had owned the team for over 3 decades. Count how many mayors had come and gone by that point (FYI: five plus Lanier).

You can spin it all you want and you are welcome to revisionist history, but NONE of that can change the simple fact that the decision to move the team came down to ONE MAN.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
We're still paying on the dome after all these years . I watched Alabama at the rodeo during the renovation period and froze my butt off because of the open spaces due to construction . I was to cold to drink beer .

He also decided to make a play for his new stadium after going 2-14 . He threatened to go to Nashville in a routine that looked like the Jacksonville ploy . Nashville called his bluff and got Bud to agree to an exclusive negotiating period to where he agreed to 10 years of guaranteed sellouts . If he backed out not only would he look stupid , he had no leverage .
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Ugh!! I remember the renovation period. Even years after that, I would always get pissed whenever I would look at the seats where this once meant a lot to us:

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Double Barrel said:
Read both articles posted by Bill and I. Your memory will be refreshed. The devil is in the details.

Besides, Bud could have out-waited a mayor, who is just an elected official. By that point, Bud had owned the team for over 3 decades. Count how many mayors had come and gone by that point (FYI: five plus Lanier).

You can spin it all you want and you are welcome to revisionist history, but NONE of that can change the simple fact that the decision to move the team came down to ONE MAN.
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ONE SLUG

Corrected for historical accuracy ;)
 
If the bench works as well for Vince as it did for Alex Smith, perhaps the move could prove to be good. I'm glad Smith only played the second half on Sunday. If he keeps up that type of performance, the signed jersey I have could eventually be worth something.
 
If I had millions invested in Vince Young I would want to find out if he can do something with the wildcat. I don't think he will ever be a good pocket passer.
 
I see an ultimate parting of the ways between Fisher and Adams in the not far off future. They never agreed on Young from the beginning. He was a forced issue on Fisher. If it would have worked, well, then forgive and forget. Now it's TWO times the issue has been forced upon Fisher........and it still won't work. I see the day that Fisher takes Adams' toupe and volunteers to store it in Adams' pie hole.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I see an ultimate parting of the ways between Fisher and Adams in the not far off future. They never agreed on Young from the beginning. He was a forced issue on Fisher. If it would have worked, well, then forgive and forget. Now it's TWO times the issue has been forced upon Fisher........and it still won't work. I see the day that Fisher takes Adams' toupe and volunteers to store it in Adams' pie hole.
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I agree. If Fisher is still around after this season I would be very surprised. The younger Bud would have fired him long ago. Hopefully their next head coach will be an Ed Biles type and they suffer a good decade of boring, bad football. Then we will see just how great the fans are there.
 
Spled said:
If I had millions invested in Vince Young I would want to find out if he can do something with the wildcat. I don't think he will ever be a good pocket passer.
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His rookie season, when he won ROY, he ran it like he did in college.

But during the offseason, no doubt after listening to someone tell him he wouldn't last long if he continued to do that, Vince decided, not anyone else, BUT VINCE, decided that he wanted to be a drop back pocket passer like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady.

Fisher didn't have a problem with Vince his rookie year. It was only when Vince wanted to be someone that he wasn't that Fisher had a problem with.

Jeff Fisher didn't sabotage Vince Young's career. Vince Young did.
 
Hookem Horns said:
You talking about VY's career in the NFL?
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No doubt!

It's just a messed up thing to say - "die slow" - when it's JUST A FREAKIN' GAME.

I have no animosity toward VY the man and give him props where it is due (i.e. his college career). But as a pro QB, he has not shown that he has the skills, and when viewed through the massive hype around the player coming into the NFL, his abilities as a pro QB suck at this point in time. Plus, he's a Tennessee Titan, and they all suck.

I'd like to see "steroids" be man enough to clarify his comment, because otherwise he's just another internet troll (unless, of course, he's referring to VY's career, but I'm not getting that vibe).
 
Double Barrel said:
No doubt!

It's just a messed up thing to say - "die slow" - when it's JUST A FREAKIN' GAME.

I have no animosity toward VY the man and give him props where it is due (i.e. his college career). But as a pro QB, he has not shown that he has the skills, and when viewed through the massive hype around the player coming into the NFL, his abilities as a pro QB suck at this point in time. Plus, he's a Tennessee Titan, and they all suck.

I'd like to see "steroids" be man enough to clarify his comment, because otherwise he's just another internet troll (unless, of course, he's referring to VY's career, but I'm not getting that vibe).
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I wasn't sure if he/she was talking about you or VY. Regardless, it's a very stupid thing to say.

Hopefully there was a different meaning by it all together.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I wasn't sure if he/she was talking about you or VY. Regardless, it's a very stupid thing to say.

Hopefully there was a different meaning by it all together.
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Well, going by his previous posts, he's a Longhorn fan, and it appears that he now has a hurt sausage for VY. :hobie:
 
I wonder if Austin will go back to airing Titans games because of Vince or will they stick with the Texans and Kasey Studdard?
 
Looks like Vince and Chris Johnson on the field at the same time is not easy for a defense to deal with.
 
Spled said:
Looks like Vince and Chris Johnson on the field at the same time is not easy for a defense to deal with.
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From what I understand, it was more like Chris Johnson all by himself.
 
steroids said:
I don't take kindly to the VY-hate on these boards. His NFL QB career is not over, not dying -- in fact he just lit it up yesterday.

And I'm the troll? You're on a HOUSTON AREA SPORTS website, talking mess about Vince Young, and when someone tells you to go F yourself, you think they are trolling you?

You're delusional.
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No, thinking someone lit it up when they passed for 125 yds on top of an almost 300 yd rushing game is delusional. And what is the banner at the top? It isn't houstonareasports.com. It is Texanstalk.com. VY plays for a division rival.
 
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