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METAIRIE, La. -- Reggie Bush has had a setback with his surgically repaired left knee.

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Bush left Saints practice on Wednesday morning and later returned with his knee wrapped in ice.

Bush discarded the ice after a while and continued to stand with the running backs, still wearing his jersey and shoulder pads, for the remainder of practice. But he did not participate in drills and looked stiff as he walked with a slight limp.

Bush had surgery on his left knee last December to repair cartilage. Drafted second overall in 2006, the former Heisman Trophy winner out of Southern California has missed 10 games in his past two NFL seasons
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Yes, he did have micro-fracture surgery on the knee.

That report was pre-mature and an addendum was released pretty quick that clarified things. He's had some normal swelling in the knee (par for the microfracture course) and the ice and rest from practice was premeditated as he's been sitting one of the 2-a-days all camp as a precautionary measure anyway.

Not saying it's not something to keep and eye on, because it is, but nothing that would be considered a "setback".
 
I can always bank on you guys getting the Bush news for me before anyone else does

I am just as concerned as any Saints fan about his durability and health, but as jlam said, it's not a "setback" at this point in time. Except to a crowd of embittered fans of other teams who can't let go of the past. As I've said before - some of you really need to just. let. it. go.

Prior to the day Bush got his knee iced, all reports were that he had a very hard day at practice. He worked hard. He's running between the tackles more - and they're working him more in a conventional manner. He was stout and consistent in his blocking drills. By all accounts, he was one of the hardest workers on the team for the day.

And he had pretty major surgery not all that long ago.

After a day like that and surgery like that - swelling or soreness is not unheard of. Nor is it a setback. And sometimes ice is preventative as well.

Longterm, we have every reason to be cautious. And in the end, he might very well be injured or hurt and it impacts the season.

But we're not there yet.

edit: and wwl reported he was back practicing yesterday and that initial report you linked wasn't entirely correct...

from Yaskinkas -
Bush went through the afternoon session after concerns about his knee swirled due to a report that he left the morning practice early, iced his knee and then returned with a limp. While the story implied that Bush had suffered a setback, the Saints said that was not correct, that it was all part of the daily plan.

"I warmed up and ran through stretches with the team and then [went inside and] put ice on it," Bush said. "That was it, so I guess they suspected I came out, but I never even started practice."

The Saints have been cautious with Bush since the start of camp, often giving him practices off.

"That's been the protocol since Day 1," Bush said.
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Question for you NOLA-Saints fans: where's Bush now listed on the team depth-charts, at running back or at one of the receiver positions ?
And is Pierre Thomas now unofficially the new Deuce McAllister in NOLA and the starting tail-back on your team ?
 
RazorOye said:
I can always bank on you guys getting the Bush news for me before anyone else does

I am just as concerned as any Saints fan about his durability and health, but as jlam said, it's not a "setback" at this point in time. Except to a crowd of embittered fans of other teams who can't let go of the past. As I've said before - some of you really need to just. let. it. go.

Prior to the day Bush got his knee iced, all reports were that he had a very hard day at practice. He worked hard. He's running between the tackles more - and they're working him more in a conventional manner. He was stout and consistent in his blocking drills. By all accounts, he was one of the hardest workers on the team for the day.

And he had pretty major surgery not all that long ago.

After a day like that and surgery like that - swelling or soreness is not unheard of. Nor is it a setback. And sometimes ice is preventative as well.

Longterm, we have every reason to be cautious. And in the end, he might very well be injured or hurt and it impacts the season.

But we're not there yet.

edit: and wwl reported he was back practicing yesterday and that initial report you linked wasn't entirely correct...

from Yaskinkas -
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I guess it was OK when the Texans were called stupid and laughed at . Now that VY is 3rd string and Bush can't stay healthy , while Mario is making the pro-bowl and his stock is still rising , we are told to let it go ... hmmm .
 
nunusguy said:
Question for you NOLA-Saints fans: where's Bush now listed on the team depth-charts, at running back or at one of the receiver positions ?
And is Pierre Thomas now unofficially the new Deuce McAllister in NOLA and the starting tail-back on your team ?
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He's listed as a running back, as I imagine he will be for the foreseeable future.

As much as he gets pegged with the "reciever" label, he really doesn't run all that many reciever routes in our offense. Most of his catches come out of the backfield by design and are essentially extended handoffs in that the pass is about 95% guaranteed to be complete, while at the same time the defense pretty much sees it coming, making it a lot like a running play both in development and result (average ypc). I'd actually like to see him run more "reciever" routes just to change it up and not allow linebackers to crowd him close to the line.

But I'd suspect he'll continue to get the normal 10 or so carries per game while being thrown to 8-10 times as well. More or less of each as context dictates.

As it relates to Pierre, I'm kind of hesitant to say he's taken over Deuce's role in that I don't think he's proven he has the durability to carry the ball 20-25 times (tough carries at that) over the course of a season. But then, Deuce himself only did that for about 3 seasons so it's a tough task for anyone in today's NFL. Many others disagree with me and would like to see Pierre assume the workload of a traditional running back, so it's certainly not unanimous. I just tend to think it might be counterproductive considering our passing game is so potent. Sure I want to be able to run the ball, but there's only so much clock and we only have the ball so much. It's a point of contention.

In our offense it's not really going to be required of him anyway outside of a few probably late game clock control situations, so I really wouldn't worry myself with "starting" and "backup" labels. It's all contextual. Some weeks Pierre will be the tailback on the first play, some weeks he won't. Depends on what play we want to run first I suppose.

On a side note, are the Texans selling tickets to the practices against the Saints here in Houston in a couple weeks? I've seen some places that they were closed to the public, then others that people were looking for tickets. Wondering if maybe they were talking about tickets to the preseason game, but :shrug:.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I guess it was OK when the Texans were called stupid and laughed at .
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never said it was okay. Not even remotely the point I was making

Honoring Earl 34 said:
while Mario is making the pro-bowl and his stock is still rising , we are told to let it go ... hmmm .
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which is precisely why I think you should let it go. That was the point I was making.

Don't conflate the two - I was excited to get Reggie. Still very excited to have Reggie. But I also thought the media histrionics vis a vis the Mario pick was too melodramatic. The comments made toward/about the Texans and their organization ranged from silly to insulting. When it comes to draft picks, I tend to wait a little while before I start labeling picks stupid and draftees busts.

Just like I thought it was premature to call Williams a foolish pick, likewise do I think it's premature (and inaccurate to date) to call Reggie a "bust"

So you can get defensive and think that I was pointing and laughing at the Texans - I wasn't. I'm just saying - you have a tremendous player - it's time to let this go, imo.

And the original link in the OP has been changed to reflect the following:

Reggie Bush reached down to grab his left knee, gasped as if in pain, then grinned as he looked toward the sideline.

The New Orleans Saints' star running back realized that he had caused a stir Wednesday morning when he suddenly walked off the practice field and returned with his surgically repaired left knee wrapped in ice.

So during the Saints' second practice of the day, Bush took a moment to joke about it, then returned to full participation in team drills.

"I iced it just as a precaution, so when I ice it, that means I'm just maintaining," Bush said between practices. "I've got to stay on top of it and treat it as if it was the first day I injured it."

Saints coach Sean Payton already has held Bush out of a couple practices on days when the Saints worked out twice, limiting him to one practice per day.

When Bush has practiced, he has done so vigorously. On Tuesday afternoon, he turned an end run into a 15-yard touchdown during 11-on-11 drills. On Wednesday afternoon, he ran hard and didn't shy away from contact.

Bush said he has had one MRI performed since training camp began late last week and said "everything came back great."

"Now it's just about getting myself back to football shape and getting my knee back to carrying the load again," Bush said.

"I'm just trying to be smart about the amount of work I give him so that it doesn't become a bigger factor when we get ready to play in the season," Payton added. "But he'd play this evening if we were playing. I'm not concerned with Reggie at all."
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there really is nothing to see here - at least yet. And hopefully not ever again, this season and beyond.
 
jlam said:
On a side note, are the Texans selling tickets to the practices against the Saints here in Houston in a couple weeks? I've seen some places that they were closed to the public, then others that people were looking for tickets. Wondering if maybe they were talking about tickets to the preseason game, but :shrug:.
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Affirmative.
Or atleast they were and here's the link to get your ticket(s) if still available.
http://www.houstontexans.com/fanzone/TexansvsSaintsOpenPractice.asp
 
RazorOye said:
never said it was okay. Not even remotely the point I was making



which is precisely why I think you should let it go. That was the point I was making.

Don't conflate the two - I was excited to get Reggie. Still very excited to have Reggie. But I also thought the media histrionics vis a vis the Mario pick was too melodramatic. The comments made toward/about the Texans and their organization ranged from silly to insulting. When it comes to draft picks, I tend to wait a little while before I start labeling picks stupid and draftees busts.

Just like I thought it was premature to call Williams a foolish pick, likewise do I think it's premature (and inaccurate to date) to call Reggie a "bust"

So you can get defensive and think that I was pointing and laughing at the Texans - I wasn't. I'm just saying - you have a tremendous player - it's time to let this go, imo.

And the original link in the OP has been changed to reflect the following:



there really is nothing to see here - at least yet. And hopefully not ever again, this season and beyond.
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Hopefully his knees explode and he never plays another down of football. Hopefully.
 
Not sure what we "need to let go". Goldensilence simply made a report about a high profile NFL player being injured in the NFL section. The other day someone made a similiar post about an Eagles player going down in here.

Sure, someone commented that we dodged a bullet by not buying into the hype and drafting Reggie however that is a good point from a Texans fan's perspective. This is a Texans board and you will probably see a Texans slant on most posts here.

OK, I will admit I didn't see swtbound07's post when I initially posted this ... lol. I think some might still be a little miffed by his "thanks for not drafting me" line in whatever commercial that was.
 
RazorOye said:
I can always bank on you guys getting the Bush news for me before anyone else does

I am just as concerned as any Saints fan about his durability and health, but as jlam said, it's not a "setback" at this point in time. Except to a crowd of embittered fans of other teams who can't let go of the past. As I've said before - some of you really need to just. let. it. go.

Prior to the day Bush got his knee iced, all reports were that he had a very hard day at practice. He worked hard. He's running between the tackles more - and they're working him more in a conventional manner. He was stout and consistent in his blocking drills. By all accounts, he was one of the hardest workers on the team for the day.

And he had pretty major surgery not all that long ago.

After a day like that and surgery like that - swelling or soreness is not unheard of. Nor is it a setback. And sometimes ice is preventative as well.

Longterm, we have every reason to be cautious. And in the end, he might very well be injured or hurt and it impacts the season.

But we're not there yet.

edit: and wwl reported he was back practicing yesterday and that initial report you linked wasn't entirely correct...

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Hey so we get it. You're a Saints fan and you've gotta defend your version of David Carr. I think this fan base knows a lot about that. If you're looking for chipper Reggie Bush commentary stick to a Saints MB.

BTW Casserly bumbling and stumbling in selecting Mario Williams doesn't deserve a Cass was right as much as well even a blind squirrel finds an acorn. Stop acting as if it's some sort a revelation, for ONCE he did his job. I'd be more inclined to give him full credit for OD then Mario.
 
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Goldensilence said:
Hey so we get it. You're a Saints fan and you've gotta defend your version of David Carr. I think this fan base knows a lot about that. If you're looking for chipper Reggie Bush commentary stick to a Saints MB.
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Likewise, as a Saints fan, I can commiserate with a fan base that has known nothing but disappointment, frustration, resentment, bitterness, an inept front office, incompetence at many levels of the organization, etc.... We've dealt with a history that's pretty much nothing but all of those things with exceptional seasonal blips on the wayward radar.

Living in Houston for 5 years, I heard a lot of familiar frustration on sports radio shows from Texans fans.

Returning the psychoanalytical favor, I can understand the desire to take some enjoyment out of Reggie's (under)performance when the high times for my own team are few and far between.

But there comes a point when it just seems like this desire would reach a point where non-stories are accepted as that. Non-stories.

I mean, this isn't really a story right now.

Maybe the hopes of some on here will come to fruition and his knee will explode - that would be threadworthy for another team's board. This? Not so much I think.

I mean, the guy sat out a practice he was scheduled to sit out. He got ice on a knee he was scheduled to get ice on. I fail to see the thread-worthiness is all.
 
RazorOye said:
Likewise, as a Saints fan, I can commiserate with a fan base that has known nothing but disappointment, frustration, resentment, bitterness, an inept front office, incompetence at many levels of the organization, etc.... We've dealt with a history that's pretty much nothing but all of those things with exceptional seasonal blips on the wayward radar.

Living in Houston for 5 years, I heard a lot of familiar frustration on sports radio shows from Texans fans.

Returning the psychoanalytical favor, I can understand the desire to take some enjoyment out of Reggie's (under)performance when the high times for my own team are few and far between.

But there comes a point when it just seems like this desire would reach a point where non-stories are accepted as that. Non-stories.

I mean, this isn't really a story right now.

Maybe the hopes of some on here will come to fruition and his knee will explode - that would be threadworthy for another team's board. This? Not so much I think.

I mean, the guy sat out a practice he was scheduled to sit out. He got ice on a knee he was scheduled to get ice on. I fail to see the thread-worthiness is all.
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I know you Saint fans have a long history of losing, but has your team ever been assaulted the way the Texans were from April 2006 until roughly October 2007 (when Mario hit his stride) over one decision? Just about every media person in the country was going out of their way to say just how stupid we were, calling it the worst draft pick ever, Bowie-over-MJ part deux, how Houston was better off without the NFL than have to put up with idiotic draft picks like that. And at least two national TV ad campaigns featuring Bush centerig around the fact that someone dared not draft him first. And equally strident stuff from the legions in the Longhorn mafia excorciating us for passing on St. Vincent. Believe me, this was not a fun time.

Unless you've experienced that end of it, don't freaking tell us to just.let.it.go. when we marvel at every Mario sack while chuckling at every Bush/Young misfortune. Just be glad that you've at least gotten more out of Reggie than the Tacks have with Vince. Vindication is a sweet thing; let us enjoy it so long as it lasts.

Getting to the substance of the reports about Bush: I agree the "setback" is overblown, but I'd be extremely concerned if we had a player sitting out every other practice by design. Is he going to play every other game?
 
Hooston Texan said:
I know you Saint fans have a long history of losing, but has your team ever been assaulted the way the Texans were from April 2006 until roughly October 2007 (when Mario hit his stride) over one decision? Just about every media person in the country was going out of their way to say just how stupid we were, calling it the worst draft pick ever, Bowie-over-MJ part deux, how Houston was better off without the NFL than have to put up with idiotic draft picks like that. And at least two national TV ad campaigns featuring Bush centerig around the fact that someone dared not draft him first. And equally strident stuff from the legions in the Longhorn mafia excorciating us for passing on St. Vincent. Believe me, this was not a fun time.

Unless you've experienced that end of it, don't freaking tell us to just.let.it.go. when we marvel at every Mario sack while chuckling at every Bush/Young misfortune. Just be glad that you've at least gotten more out of Reggie than the Tacks have with Vince. Vindication is a sweet thing; let us enjoy it so long as it lasts.

Getting to the substance of the reports about Bush: I agree the "setback" is overblown, but I'd be extremely concerned if we had a player sitting out every other practice by design. Is he going to play every other game?
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He's just decoying the training staff from treating the actual injuries.
 
Hooston Texan said:
I know you Saint fans have a long history of losing, but has your team ever been assaulted the way the Texans were from April 2006 until roughly October 2007 (when Mario hit his stride) over one decision?... Unless you've experienced that end of it, don't freaking tell us to just.let.it.go.
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Aside from the perpetual misery and a history of more ineptitude than arguably any franchise in the NFL, I can assure you that I've had no shortage of disappointment and frustration at being the league's punchline.

And if you don't think I know what it's like being a fan of a team who had a single decision laughed at, questioned, parodied, lampooned, etc.... then you weren't paying close enough attention when we picked Ricky Williams.

For years, we endured media scrutiny. Everytime he gave an interview with his helmet on. Everytime he didn't rush for 125 yds/game. I don't know how many times I had to see that cover of him in a wedding gown. I still see it regularly on Top 10 lists (Best Damn Show, ESPN, TSN, etc) of worst draft day decisions, etc...

So yea - I know what it's like to see one single draft day decision being killed for a long time. I also know it felt a lot better when I didn't care about what the national media was saying and just brushed it off and cheered for my team.

I guess I am making it sound more like a demand to "let it go" when in reality it's just a suggestion based on my own experience - sorry about that - it's not a demand. My apologies if it came across like that. I'll just add that I finally stopped caring about the mainstream football media's takes on my Saints and it's made it a lot easier and more enjoyable to follow them.

And you have a better player and future with Mario on the DLine than we had with Williams in the backfield.
 
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This was written back in January of this year, reminding us of Bush's knee history. Despite Loomis playing down the situation, the surgery, and potential end-issues down, keep theses things in mind. Microfracture surgery does best with "recent" isolated more limited cartilage damage. Accompanying or repeated episodes of ligamentous and/or cartilaginous injury/damage will easily effect its ultimate short term and long term prognosis to lesser expectations. Keep in mind, that the cartilage generated by this technique is always very much thinner and very much less durable than G-d's given original. BTW, anyone remember "Bone Bruise"?.............Can you say Dominic "Davis" Williams?

Not to take anything away from rejoicing Saints fans for the return of their battle torn hero...........But I would have to be asking myself..............."For how long?"

"I wouldn't want to call it minor, because he's got a pretty significant period of rehab time, " Loomis said. "But at the end of it, he shouldn't have any issues."

Bush was not reached for comment.

It's hard to predict a recovery timetable on microfracture surgeries, because some are more elaborate than others, but they have become more common and effective in recent years. Typically, several small holes are drilled into the knee to promote cartilage growth.

Saints tailback Deuce McAllister had a microfracture procedure performed on his right knee in September 2007 while also undergoing an anterior cruciate ligament repair in his left knee. McAllister, who was on the field for the start of training camp in July, indicated that his right knee recovered faster than the left. The left knee continued to swell at times throughout the season.

Bush has had a series of issues with his left knee the past two seasons. He missed the final four games of the 2007 season with a torn posterior cruciate ligament, which required a couple months of recovery.

Then, he experienced swelling and soreness in the knee in training camp this past summer -- a condition described as a "bone bruise, " which was aggravated against Tampa Bay in Week 1. Bush then suffered a torn meniscus at Carolina in Week 7, which required arthroscopic surgery and sidelined him for four games. Finally, he suffered the latest injury in Week 15 at Chicago.

None of the injuries were too serious, but the repeated trauma to the knee is concerning, especially for a player who relies so much on his speed and explosiveness.
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RazorOye said:
Except to a crowd of embittered fans of other teams who can't let go of the past. As I've said before - some of you really need to just. let. it. go.
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The term "let it go" and "embittered" is usually reserved for issues where a mistake was made - a la David Carr.

We are not embittered - just celebrating our good fortune.


And as for being a long-suffering Saints fan....... you have my respect. You guys have had it tough.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
This was written back in January of this year, reminding us of Bush's knee history. Despite Loomis playing down the situation, the surgery, and potential end-issues down, keep theses things in mind. Microfracture surgery does best with "recent" isolated more limited cartilage damage. Accompanying or repeated episodes of ligamentous and/or cartilaginous injury/damage will easily effect its ultimate short term and long term prognosis to lesser expectations. Keep in mind, that the cartilage generated by this technique is always very much thinner and very much less durable than G-d's given original. BTW, anyone remember "Bone Bruise"?.............Can you say Dominic "Davis" Williams?

Not to take anything away from rejoicing Saints fans for the return of their battle torn hero...........But I would have to be asking myself..............."For how long?"
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Prognosis varies, but this could turn into the same problem as D. Davis and Barry Bonds-- in other works his career is toast in 3-5 years?
 
RazorOye said:
And if you don't think I know what it's like being a fan of a team who had a single decision laughed at, questioned, parodied, lampooned, etc.... then you weren't paying close enough attention when we picked Ricky Williams.

For years, we endured media scrutiny. Everytime he gave an interview with his helmet on. Everytime he didn't rush for 125 yds/game. I don't know how many times I had to see that cover of him in a wedding gown. I still see it regularly on Top 10 lists (Best Damn Show, ESPN, TSN, etc) of worst draft day decisions, etc...
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It was not the decision to draft Cheech and Chongs sidekick that was mocked and or lampooned it was giving up so many draft picks for the right to make such a pick. Hell the Vikings thought you over paid.
 
RazorOye said:
I can always bank on you guys getting the Bush news for me before anyone else does
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Pathetic isn't it..

Honoring Earl 34 said:
I guess it was OK when the Texans were called stupid and laughed at . Now that VY is 3rd string and Bush can't stay healthy , while Mario is making the pro-bowl and his stock is still rising , we are told to let it go ... hmmm .
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Sooner or later, someone is going to have to act like an adult..... this kind of attention makes us look insecure about our selection. This is worse than the guys who hoped Vince & Reggie had poor careers, when all they did was get drafted.

Besides...... it's bad JuJu
 
Hooston Texan said:
I know you Saint fans have a long history of losing, but has your team ever been assaulted the way the Texans were from April 2006 until roughly October 2007 (when Mario hit his stride) over one decision?
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Their fans... the fans mind you, the ones tht support the team.. wear paper bags to the HOME games.

We haven't had it that bad.

And it's not like the Saints were the ones attacking our decision.
 
thunderkyss said:
Their fans... the fans mind you, the ones tht support the team.. wear paper bags to the HOME games.

We haven't had it that bad.
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Ummm ... yes we have.

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RazorOye said:
I can always bank on you guys getting the Bush news for me before anyone else does

I am just as concerned as any Saints fan about his durability and health, but as jlam said, it's not a "setback" at this point in time. Except to a crowd of embittered fans of other teams who can't let go of the past. As I've said before - some of you really need to just. let. it. go.

Prior to the day Bush got his knee iced, all reports were that he had a very hard day at practice. He worked hard. He's running between the tackles more - and they're working him more in a conventional manner. He was stout and consistent in his blocking drills. By all accounts, he was one of the hardest workers on the team for the day.

And he had pretty major surgery not all that long ago.

After a day like that and surgery like that - swelling or soreness is not unheard of. Nor is it a setback. And sometimes ice is preventative as well.

Longterm, we have every reason to be cautious. And in the end, he might very well be injured or hurt and it impacts the season.

But we're not there yet.

edit: and wwl reported he was back practicing yesterday and that initial report you linked wasn't entirely correct...

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Why should we "let it go"? No one let it go when we were made fun of for 2 damn years. When skits had us throwing darts at draft picks on a board. Bush is a buster. He's a 2nd round player who was hyped out to be a living legend. I can't wait to see what Aints fans say when you waive his sorry ass and he becomes a 3rd down back somewhere.
 
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