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DeMeco not happy either
- Thread starter Vinny
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I think Demeco should get a deal though. A pretty good one that's within reason though. Demeco's been a very good player and should be for a very long time. He's only going to be in his 4th year and it would be nice to have our MLB for a long time.
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
WTH is the FO doing? How hard is to sign your top performers? 
I think AJ could almost name his price, especially this offseason after his 2008year. The only other player that perhaps would get that treatment is Mario, though I'm surprised that DeMeco hasn't been resigned yet.
Crappy bottom-dwelling teams treat their good players like this on a regular basis. I hope this is not a trend that becomes the norm around here. Not a good sign to hear from one of our best players.
As far as OD is concerned, until someone else PROVES that he can fill his shoes, I think OD is The Man at TE.
Rick Smith is acting like we've got leverage. We don't. We are a perpetually mediocre to suck franchise, and until that changes with continuous winning seasons and playoff appears, we don't have the upper hand.
As far as OD is concerned, until someone else PROVES that he can fill his shoes, I think OD is The Man at TE.
Rick Smith is acting like we've got leverage. We don't. We are a perpetually mediocre to suck franchise, and until that changes with continuous winning seasons and playoff appears, we don't have the upper hand.
Coaching and the front office have some responsibility for the record too. It isb qually unacceptable for their job performance, right?
CT CSTM
Noob
From what I hear the general consensus of the players is that they don't take care of "guys all ready here" and give away funny money to FA's like Jaques Reeves and Antonio Smith. Guys I know that have moved on to other teams say the Texans FO is a quiet joke around the NFL. I don't think it all comes from a bad attitude towards them but they say the mentality in other locker rooms is totally diffrent than here in Houston.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
This is a pretty tough statement to make but I think it is also a very true one. Noone has taken a second to look at that perspective.
I like Demeco. He's a fine player.
Having said that, he's not a top tier player. He's in the second tier of MLBs in the league and certainly not irreplacable. Lets keep in mind that he's the 2nd best player on an average defense. If he resigns that is great but the world doesn't end if we have to draft a MLB next year.
Mike
Having said that, he's not a top tier player. He's in the second tier of MLBs in the league and certainly not irreplacable. Lets keep in mind that he's the 2nd best player on an average defense. If he resigns that is great but the world doesn't end if we have to draft a MLB next year.
Mike
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Perennial contenders like the Patriots also treat their top players like this outside the one or two chosen players deemed irreplaceable. I'm not condoning the Texans actions by any means, but maybe the coaches and FO think they can get by without certain disgruntled players.
I know i'd hate to find out if that's true going into a season like this where expectations are so high and we've yet to have a winning season.
awtysst
Draft Guru
I think Meco and OD will get their deals. While they would love to get paid now, they need to relaize that Rick Smith has been working on getting the players without contracts in (ie the rookies and DR). Cush will hopefully soon be signed. Smith can then turn his attention toward getting a new deal for meco and OD that is acceptable to them and cap friendly.
Jackie Chiles
Veteran
The current FO, the previous one or both? No disrespect to the guys you know that have moved on but I honestly cannot think of a player we have lost to another team that I was really upset about. Now if we lose a couple of the guys currently unhappy about their situations my view on this could change pretty quickly.
nunusguy said:
I don't know. If he hadn't signed the extension and his original contract was running out, and then he publicly held out in "this economy", I think a segment of this board would talk about his greed, dropped passes, injuries, and the depth behind him to show he should be cut.
My bigest concern is that every player seem to get some version of pissed which may go to how the Texans (specifically Rick Smith) are handling things which are pretty much the course of normal NFL business. There are always one or two who get mad, but seems like everybody comes away with some sort of distate in his mouth here.
Looking at this from Texans' management side, even if these players have performed well, I am not sure if it is good business (or football) to have 6 or 7 guys paid at the top 5 or their positions when the organization has never even made the playoffs much less won a playoff game.
There is a line of rewarding players for good performance and making players truly earn it. Think the Texans are in the process of trying to figure it out the balance.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I don't think any of them claim they can't make it on a NFL salary. I bet if you worked say in a computer call center and all the highest rated staff made 18 bucks an hour but you only made 12 bucks an hour, you would cry foul too. It's all about your share of what your peers are making.Let me call the Waaambulance for these guys. How do they make it on that salary?
Goldensilence
hipster elite
I wonder if their and the FO's attitude would be different if there wasn't a looming uncapped year and the contract extensions associated with these two players.
When you draft guys who work well within a scheme or are just good solid players like Demeco contract problems are going to be an invetiability. I like Demeco and OD a lot, I don't think they are neccesarily getting treated bad in this process, but I do think they deserve to be rewarded for the work they've put in. Long as both aren't asking for elite money, which well honestly neither is elite, but the yare booth real good players.
Lock em up and stop waiting on Dunta to make a move.
When you draft guys who work well within a scheme or are just good solid players like Demeco contract problems are going to be an invetiability. I like Demeco and OD a lot, I don't think they are neccesarily getting treated bad in this process, but I do think they deserve to be rewarded for the work they've put in. Long as both aren't asking for elite money, which well honestly neither is elite, but the yare booth real good players.
Lock em up and stop waiting on Dunta to make a move.
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
Well that's pretty disheartening to hear.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
I also agree with this statement. Cardinals, Lions, heck - The Oilers did this too!
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I'd say......none.
If we win 10 games this year this will all be a distant memory. Either we'll sign OD and Demeco or we won't. If you win 10 games however, with the young talent we have assembled, we won't have to overpay for freeagents... and would be able to find someone to fill his shoes. Two years ago I thought Demeco was really really special... Every year since however, I've felt he's regressed. He makes tackles out the wazoo and I get that but he's not good at sheding blocks which downgrades him some in my book. Who knows maybe he's a little stronger this year... maybe he worked on some techniques that I don't know about, if he did and he's able to shed blockers a little better then the urgency to sign him rachets up quickly.
Mike
Mike
That's as balanced and equitable a statement on the whole process as I can think of.
If you had to pay the top 18 TEs and MLBs in descending order by $ amount - how much would YOU pay each of 'em? (Take our scheme into consideration as well) For Me - OD/$14 Meco/$16
I think we should get these two locked up as well, but for an additional reason...the Texans need to reward the guys who came in (even when UNhappy) to help provide a reason for the guys like D-Rob to do so as well.
Work with us, we'll work w/ you - if not, we're not wasting our time.
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Thorn
Dirty Old Man
This business of player salaries is the least interesting, horribly frustrating, and without a doubt the absolute most maddening aspect of football for me.
As far as I'm concerned, screw 'em all and their guaranteed promises of tens of millions of dollars whether they play for it or not. They can all kiss my damn ass.
I know it's a business, but screw 'em anyway. This is the kind of crap that drove me away from baseball and basketball, and the only reason it's not driving me away from football is because I love it so damn much.
As far as I'm concerned, screw 'em all and their guaranteed promises of tens of millions of dollars whether they play for it or not. They can all kiss my damn ass.
I know it's a business, but screw 'em anyway. This is the kind of crap that drove me away from baseball and basketball, and the only reason it's not driving me away from football is because I love it so damn much.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
100% agree!
Tailgate
Fall of Hame
Demeco not being signed is the one that worries me. With OD and Dunta a case can at least be made for no problem. However, this is Demeco Ryans. He is the heart and soul of this defense and an invaluable leader of the team. Playing hard ball with him is not a good football nor good business decision.
You do realize the fallacy of your comparison, yeah?
The Patriots have the leverage because they are the Patriots. Winning franchise, multiple championships, yada yada yada, players WANT to play for them and some even take less money because they want to win.
The Texans don't even have a winning season, so we have no leverage for players wanting to be here other than monetary.
Let me call the Waaambulance for these guys. How do they make it on that salary?
Why don't you work for minimum wage and be happy with it? Lame argument from one that says he's pro-capitalism.
Good points, man. But, if we do not keep our best players, we stand less of a chance of sustaining any success, much less long-term. The problem is a relatively inexperienced GM who does not appear to be one the players seem to respect.
Exactly. It's just business on both sides. But we are stuck with this franchise, while the players can move on to other teams that treat them better and might actually mix in a winning season or two.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
DeMeco should be unhappy but he should also realize that his own play last season is why he is in this predicament. DeMeco was not a liability last year but he was injured and didn't have quite the same impact as his previous 2 years. Because of this the Texans FO is leery of giving him a new fat contract until they see what he looks like this year. If he plays well early, the Texans will then acquiesce to his demands and sign him. The problem is that if he plays good, he may want to test the waters of FA and screw us out of anything in return in the process.
Personally I would rather re-sign Dunta over DeMeco. I feel its easier to find a serviceable LB than a serviceable CB as a replacement if either departs.
As for Daniels, he needs to get over himself and play football. He isn't a true Pro Bowl TE yet. He has potential but he doesnt deserve top TE money. not yet at least. No way in hell.
Personally I would rather re-sign Dunta over DeMeco. I feel its easier to find a serviceable LB than a serviceable CB as a replacement if either departs.
As for Daniels, he needs to get over himself and play football. He isn't a true Pro Bowl TE yet. He has potential but he doesnt deserve top TE money. not yet at least. No way in hell.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I understand that, but when the common man who pays his salary can't make ends meet, and many others are being laid off and foreclosed on, whining and bitching doesn't endear him to anyone, least not me.
One of my favortite bible passages says there is a time for Everything, and a season for every activity under heaven.
What these guys need to realize is that the time is not now, and this is not the season to be greedy. They need to walk a mile in someone else's shoes as apparently thier feet have gotten too large. Proverbs 28 also says a greedy man stirs up dissension.
Be thankful you live in a country where you can make more than 99% of the population all for playing a game and when the season comes then you will prosper. All good things come to those who wait.
Blame everything on Kellen Winslow, LOL!
Tailgate
Fall of Hame
Gonna have to disagree here. First, Demeco has far less question marks and much higher odds at regaining form post injuries. Second, our LB corp looks like it could finally be a complete squad and a strength of the team this year and years beyond. Losing Demeco then creates a huge hole talent and leadership wise in all of that. We have been drafting CBs for a while now and they are high on our two new ones so far, and losing Dunta wont be as negative on the team overall imo....especially if we have room to shop in Free Agency next year.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I heard from Pat Kirwin yesterday on Sirius NFL radio that over 100 NFL starters this season are in the same predicament of having 3 or 4 years tenure, being scheduled for FA in 2010, but looking at becoming RFAs again next season because of the uncapped rules... The reality is that some NFL players will benefit in huge ways from an uncapped season. And, unfortunately for OD and DRyans, it will be at the expense of 4 and 5 year players. So, the Texans are wise to wait on these guys and sign them to a cap-friendly deal... In the end, OD and Ryans have no choice.
Tailgate
Fall of Hame
Definitely agree. And if most did too, then our football team would have more room to sign more talent, and ultimately get better. However, who then is going to hold the Texans FO accountable on the other end?
Texan JBZ
Da Sip's Finest
If we believe John McClain, then DeMeco was offered an extension that would have made him one of the Top 3 paid MLBs in the NFL. He and his agent turned it down. Shortly after, DeMeco fired his agent and hired a new one. If he was so upset with the Texans FO, then why fire his agent? With OD, if he thinks he's getting a Winslow type deal, then he's crazy. A Dallas Clark or Heath Miller type deal is more up his alley. Sounds like OD is overvaluing himself, but once again its the Texans FO fault. Dunta? We all know that situation. So what it sounds like to me is that these guys need to get better advice from their agents. OD can be replaced (i.e. James Casey). DeMeco can be replaced (i.e. Brandon Spikes). So can Dunta (i.e. CBs already on the roster).
GP
Go Texans!
Taking a LB in the first round, and TWO tight ends in the middle rounds, might be an indication that the front office is prepared to let them walk. Right?
I guess since OD and DeMeco say some things, it must be true. All truth is found on those two players' side(s). They whine a little bit, and get a few pals on the team to support them, and it's suddenly Victim City around here. LOL.
IMO, DeMeco played awesome his rookie season, and he's underperformed every year since. Granted, there have been some injuries. But I don't blame a front office for perhaps taking those injuries into account when it comes time to make a long-term "deal" with ANY player.
Owen Daniels needs to block better, particularly in the running game, in order to command "top TE" money. His ability to stretch the field is not enough to be given a huge long-term deal that ranges in the top tier of TEs.
Both guys are class acts when they're not crying about their sad, pitiful position in life. For two guys who "aren't worried about this," and who "are out there just workin' like a hard-workin' man" they sure have a lot of instances in the media and on their personal blogs/sites where they talk at length about it.
I agree with the three posts prior to mine, btw. We have always wanted a front office that didn't hand over the keys of the money vault to the players. Now that we have it, there's this faction of people around here who suddenly want 2 of the 3 guys signed ASAP. Signing ASAP might need be so good a few years down the road. GMs and various staff in the front office have the whole picture to look at.
I guess since OD and DeMeco say some things, it must be true. All truth is found on those two players' side(s). They whine a little bit, and get a few pals on the team to support them, and it's suddenly Victim City around here. LOL.
IMO, DeMeco played awesome his rookie season, and he's underperformed every year since. Granted, there have been some injuries. But I don't blame a front office for perhaps taking those injuries into account when it comes time to make a long-term "deal" with ANY player.
Owen Daniels needs to block better, particularly in the running game, in order to command "top TE" money. His ability to stretch the field is not enough to be given a huge long-term deal that ranges in the top tier of TEs.
Both guys are class acts when they're not crying about their sad, pitiful position in life. For two guys who "aren't worried about this," and who "are out there just workin' like a hard-workin' man" they sure have a lot of instances in the media and on their personal blogs/sites where they talk at length about it.
I agree with the three posts prior to mine, btw. We have always wanted a front office that didn't hand over the keys of the money vault to the players. Now that we have it, there's this faction of people around here who suddenly want 2 of the 3 guys signed ASAP. Signing ASAP might need be so good a few years down the road. GMs and various staff in the front office have the whole picture to look at.
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Another common denominator
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Good one.Sorry for the drive by nastyness everyone, I promise I won't do that again. (Today at least...LOL)
Hopefully we get Cushing signed soon so we can get past this aspect of football and just concentrate on praising the players when they do good and ripping them up when they don't.
GP
Go Texans!
What's up with John McClain's reports on Texans players' contracts?
Isn't McClain the one who reported Dunta was offered NEAR Chris Gamble money? You say there's no shred of evidence for it. Do you think John McClain is misleading us?
Just wondering what your take is.
bckey
All Pro
Great post Porky!
GP said:
I think John reports rumor as fact too much. He also puts a lot of weight on his opinion, stating them as facts. I think he writes good, correct information in many cases, but I think he's dead wrong in many cases too. I've seen examples where he repeatedly stated things as fact, when I knew he was incorrect from other people who would know. I watched with interest as events proved him wrong.
None of this necessarily makes him a "bad" sportswriter in my opinion, but readers shouldn't take his every utterance as fact. I'm sure the controversy enhances his readership too.
Basically I read John's stuff if it is interesting, but look for corroboration (other published reports or evidence) before giving it too much weight.
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For instance he reported Chris Gamble type money for Dunta. Let's forget about our feelings about Dunta for this conversation, OK?
What is Gamble type money? Total contract value? What if very little was guaranteed, or bonus based? If so, "Gamble type money" would be very misleading We don't know for sure what McClain's statement means, or where he heard the rumor in the first place. I doubt it came from Smith or Robinson.
Furthermore, pretty much everyone is in agreement that Dunta would be a fool and a dolt to turn down Gamble money structured the same way. Many think Smith would be a fool and a dolt to offer Dunta that much.
For some reason though many find it easier to believe that both Dunta and Rick Smith are fools and dolts rather than question McClain's vague report.
I question the report.
I don't see anyone making them a victim. It's just business. Get what you can while you can, because the average NFL career is not that long.
I don't hear any "whining", either. I hope the next time you expect any kind of raise from your job your boss tells you to quit whining like a little punk. Be happy you have a job and all that jazz.
Nobody seems to ***** about what Mr. McNair makes off this team. He's part of this equation, as well. Ahh, but his lifetime exemption is the law of the land. He brought pro-football back to us after we refused to give the previous NFL owner in this town a new stadium.
Around and round we go, because we'll catch that tail one of these days!
barrett
All Pro
awesome!!! repilicious!
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Somebody's getting the money. All they're doing is fighting for what's theirs. Fans get angry at the wrong people a lot. Especially athletes.