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Brian Cushing --- DO NOT WANT

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Anyone else worried that a number of draft analysts seem to be thinking Brian Cushing will be the Texans' first pick?

From NFLdraftCountdown.com :

Only started 16 games his first three years at Southern Cal...Missed nearly half of his freshman season with a shoulder injury and was held out of some of the following seasons spring drills while recuperating...Sat out most of spring practice in 2007 with a strained hamstring then had arthroscopic surgery on his left knee...Also missed extensive action during the 2007 season with an ankle injury...Broke a bone in his right hand in 2008 and played with a cast but didn't miss any games...Has played defensive end, outside linebacker and inside linebacker for the Trojans...Manufactured athlete who should test well but isn't that impressive on film and often looks like a defensive end in a linebacker's body...Is overrated as a pro prospect but has the talent to start at the next level if he can somehow find a way to stay healthy.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Brian-Cushing.php
 
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Anyone else worried that a number of draft analysts seem to be thinking Brian Cushing will be the Texans' first pick?

From NFLdraftCountdown.com :

Has played defensive end, outside linebacker and inside linebacker for the Trojanshttp://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Brian-Cushing.php

That's what I'm buying....he can cover both OLB slots and add some pass rush. I think everyone is nit picking him to death. You saw USC play...what did you think ?
 
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Anyone else worried that a number of draft analysts seem to be thinking Brian Cushing will be the Texans' first pick?

From NFLdraftCountdown.com :

Only started 16 games his first three years at Southern Cal...Missed nearly half of his freshman season with a shoulder injury and was held out of some of the following seasons spring drills while recuperating...Sat out most of spring practice in 2007 with a strained hamstring then had arthroscopic surgery on his left knee...Also missed extensive action during the 2007 season with an ankle injury...Broke a bone in his right hand in 2008 and played with a cast but didn't miss any games...Has played defensive end, outside linebacker and inside linebacker for the Trojans...Manufactured athlete who should test well but isn't that impressive on film and often looks like a defensive end in a linebacker's body...Is overrated as a pro prospect but has the talent to start at the next level if he can somehow find a way to stay healthy.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Brian-Cushing.php

Yikes. 5 injuries? If he were already on the Texans roster people would be calling him injury prone. People think we need to use a first rounder to replace Diles because he had 1 injury, and they want a guy with a serious injury record?

Pass.

His analysis is pretty much what I feel about Cushing. The more I've watched him the less I like what I see. I think he is a fringe first rounder/early second, not a mid first.
 
You saw USC play...what did you think ?

Well, USC's a hell of a team. Lots of contributors. But I've watched a number of Cushing's highlight videos and he doesn't exactly jump off the screen.

Just my opinion, of course. I was wrong about Mario. I was wrong about VY. Always a chance I'm wrong again...
 
If we are going OLB, I still say we trade down and grab Clay Matthews.
 
I've been interested in Cushing for a while. The steroid allegations don't really concern me too much. I think they've been blown out of proportion and if he used steroids the last few years while at USC, I feel strongly he would have been busted.

What does concern me about Cushing is the history of his injuries. One report I read on him suggested he may be better suited to play MLB in the NFL and that may actually prolong his career. Instead of hitting into OL, TE and RBs dead on from playing outside, he would be able to take better angles on them and may not get injured as much.

He seems like the perfect SLB for our team though... but if he's going to continue to get injured playing there then that's not the wisest investment.
 
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Anyone else worried that a number of draft analysts seem to be thinking Brian Cushing will be the Texans' first pick?

From NFLdraftCountdown.com :

Only started 16 games his first three years at Southern Cal...Missed nearly half of his freshman season with a shoulder injury and was held out of some of the following seasons spring drills while recuperating...Sat out most of spring practice in 2007 with a strained hamstring then had arthroscopic surgery on his left knee...Also missed extensive action during the 2007 season with an ankle injury...Broke a bone in his right hand in 2008 and played with a cast but didn't miss any games...Has played defensive end, outside linebacker and inside linebacker for the Trojans...Manufactured athlete who should test well but isn't that impressive on film and often looks like a defensive end in a linebacker's body...Is overrated as a pro prospect but has the talent to start at the next level if he can somehow find a way to stay healthy.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Brian-Cushing.php

You can discard the freshman year injuries...he was a kid & his body probably hadn't even matured yet; that's the very reason many coaches redshirt their freshman.

ankle/foot injuries & strained hammies come with the territory of being a pro athlete & if you're going to worry about injuries like that, you might as worry about things like turf toe & concussions.

As u stated, the broken bone in his hand didn't slow him down 1 bit so....

The knee is the only thing to worry about, but these days it's sort of not. Everyone saw how Willis Mcgahee ripped up his in the NC game. Frank Gore had both his knees operated on in college. Look how both those guys are doing in the NFL. When you're young & in tip top shape your body can do some miraculous things.

He's certainly a gamble, but he proved last year that those things are behind him so....
 
That's what I'm buying....he can cover both OLB slots and add some pass rush. I think everyone is nit picking him to death. You saw USC play...what did you think ?

I thought he was unimpressive. He never stood out or made big plays. IMO good consistant college LB, average PRO LB.
 
I thought he was unimpressive. He never stood out or made big plays. IMO good consistant college LB, average PRO LB.

Taylor Mays didn't stand out or make many big plays last year either. What do you think of him?
 
Taylor Mays didn't stand out or make many big plays last year either. What do you think of him?

I think when you play FS on a team that dominates the LOS you arent going to have the opportunity to make alot of plays. When you are a LB in that situation you should shine.
 
I think when you play FS on a team that dominates the LOS you arent going to have the opportunity to make alot of plays. When you are a LB in that situation you should shine.

That's not a bad analysis. I could agree with that.

Nobody doubts that Mays is the most talented player on their defense, but I would like to see more production out of him next year. Until he proves me wrong, I consider Eric Berry to be the better safety of the two, but they are both top 10 talents in my book.
 
Well if not Cushing, whom do you propose? Im really curious as to what people think the Texans should draft. It passes time at work and its exciting.

I was big on another D-line man, but I think as long as they draft a defensive player with their 1st pick I will be satsified.
 
That's not a bad analysis. I could agree with that.

Nobody doubts that Mays is the most talented player on their defense, but I would like to see more production out of him next year. Until he proves me wrong, I consider Eric Berry to be the better safety of the two, but they are both top 10 talents in my book.

Mays isn't the most talented player on their defense. He's the most athletic safety, but not even the best safety. Maualuga is better and so is Cushing.
 
Well if not Cushing, whom do you propose? Im really curious as to what people think the Texans should draft. It passes time at work and its exciting.

I was big on another D-line man, but I think as long as they draft a defensive player with their 1st pick I will be satsified.

Personally, of the guys I expect to be available, I'd be fine with:

  • Cushing
  • Matthews
  • Jerry
  • Jenkins
  • Ayers
  • English
  • Maualaga
  • Sean Smith
  • Everette Brown


But I could give you reasons for each one of those guys why we shouldn't take them and several of them could be considered reaches.
 
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Well if not Cushing, whom do you propose? Im really curious as to what people think the Texans should draft. It passes time at work and its exciting.

I was big on another D-line man, but I think as long as they draft a defensive player with their 1st pick I will be satsified.

Michael Oher or perhaps Jerry?

Or maybe... Chris Wells? :hides:
 
Saw a few highlights on the dude and kind of laughed at them. Seems like alot of his tackles he had help. Clay 3 showed the ability to beat double teams.
 
I'd only be excited about drafting Cushing if we got him in the 3rd round. He's too much of a workout boy that never really impressed me all that much on the field. He'd be a good 'effort guy' that has the right attitude for a linebacker but he isn't a early to mid first round prospect imo.
 
I'd only be excited about drafting Cushing if we got him in the 3rd round. He's too much of a workout boy that never really impressed me all that much on the field. He'd be a good 'effort guy' that has the right attitude for a linebacker but he isn't a early to mid first round prospect imo.

think it was Lombardi (draft scout) saying he would be careful spending a high pick on a LB who comes off the field in 3rd down situations.
 
I never really saw too many USC games this year, but of the videos of Cushing I have seen thus far (supposedly "highlights" of his last season) he seems to do a lot of catching and arm-tackling and not deliver many hits. If anyone could refute this, I'd like to know about it.
 
I never really saw too many USC games this year, but of the videos of Cushing I have seen thus far (supposedly "highlights" of his last season) he seems to do a lot of catching and arm-tackling and not deliver many hits. If anyone could refute this, I'd like to know about it.

I saw the same thing you did plus, as I stated before, it seems he either helped or received help on all his tackles.

IMO, if Texans are choosing between Matthews and Cushing, I'm going with Matthews. He has great hands to fight off blocks and that guy really did attract double teams and beat them. Now hearing this stuff about 10 yard bursts, I can't think of a reason to go with Cushing over him.

Oh yeah, plus Cushings name gives me the bad feeling that everyone's going to be calling him Cush (koosh) like that kid in Jerry Macguire.
 
think it was Lombardi (draft scout) saying he would be careful spending a high pick on a LB who comes off the field in 3rd down situations.

I completely agree. That's one thing about the position and why it may not be valued quite as high. I think in Curry's case, he has the talent to stay on the field even if he starts at SLB. If an OLB can be moved to rush the passer on those downs instead of sitting on the sidelines, that skyrockets his value as a player and frees up an extra roster spot which coaches always love to have.

They may take a gamble on a guy like Matthews, English, Brown, etc. that potentially could play both spots.
 
I completely agree. That's one thing about the position and why it may not be valued quite as high. I think in Curry's case, he has the talent to stay on the field even if he starts at SLB. If an OLB can be moved to rush the passer on those downs instead of sitting on the sidelines, that skyrockets his value as a player and frees up an extra roster spot which coaches always love to have.

They may take a gamble on a guy like Matthews, English, Brown, etc. that potentially could play both spots.

Clint Sintim might also fit in this role.
 
Cushing's a question mark. He's either going to be a long time star like Tedy Bruschi or a steroid creation that breaks down with injuries like Mike Mamula or Bosworth. Personally I think he may be less of a gamble than Matthews. SI has him at #3 linebacker and Matthews all the way down at 7. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/bucky_brooks/02/17/top10-lb/


Bosworth was a pretty good football payer.....he just wasn't as good as Bo Jackson on one particular Monday night. Got rich selling anti-Biz T-shirts. Pretty smart fella. I 'm just hoping Dilles and Adibi meet your expectations and we got both of them...if we stay the course with the current back ups, for all our division games....just saying.
 
This article on Cushing was linked to in one of the AJ articles and is worth a read:

Saints take on Cushing

From the article:

So, let's meet Mr. Cushing.

Brian Cushing played SAM (strong-side linebacker) at USC. But he has the reputation of being very versatile, with good football intelligence. "Shows good instincts. Seems to play a step ahead of everyone else, as he locates and gets to it extremely fast. Recognizes play action quickly and does a nice job of staying home against misdirection." [ESPN] "NFL scouts don't admire Cushing for his statistics, but for his versatility. Athletic and instinctive enough to star at linebacker and yet big and strong enough to compete at defensive end -- as he did in starting 13 games at the position in 2006 when injuries forced the Trojans to be creative -- Cushing is arguably the draft's most versatile defender." [NFLDraftScout.com]

"Durability is a concern, as he missed nearly half the 2005 season with a shoulder injury. Also missed three games in 2007 due to a sprained ankle." [ESPN] "Has struggled with injuries throughout his career -- missing five games due to a shoulder separation in 2005 and three games in 2007 due to a high ankle sprain, as well as undergoing surgery after the 2006 (shoulder) and 2007 (knee) spring practices." [NFLDraftScout.com] "He had arthroscopic surgery on his ankle prior to 2008 spring practice and was limited in spring drills." [USC Trojans]

These durability concerns--which seem to be nearly unanimous--are not the only knock on Cushing. There is also a strange and probably unfair belief that he may, just may, be involved in steroid use. Cushing himself addressed that concern at the Combine press conference:

"I don’t understand where it is coming from," Cushing told me. "I was tested last December at USC and passed, one of several tests I have passed. I was tested this morning here at the combine and those results should be out in a couple of weeks to a month, I believe. I think people are trying to find something, anything, that would detract from what I have done on the field. You learn in life if it’s not one thing, it’s the other. I hope once I pass the test here that this will be put behind me. I’m really hoping for that." [Thomas George, NFL.com]

The fact is, Cushing has been heavily involved in dietary supplements since he was in high school: "For the past 3 years Brian has followed a program very similar to the one that I posted on 4-01-05. We work on getting brutally strong, eating a clean diet, incorporating the proper supplementation, getting flexible and mobile and then a couple weeks before training camp we get him in shape." [Joe DeFranco, DeFranco's Training] There's no real evidence of steroid use--Cushing is simply a workout warrior from an early age, and his long-term regimen may account both for his athletic prowess and his propensity for injury. But the "pattern" of heavy supplement use suggests to some that he's more willing than the average athlete to rely upon chemistry rather than natural athletic talent. In fact, some have even gone so far as to suggest that if you take away the supplements, Cushing would not be the player he is-- "There’s a big difference between supplements and steroids but what happens if he finds himself maxed out already?" [NFLDraftDog]--and an NFL player reliant upon OTC nutritional supplements is a suspension waiting to happen.

Yet with all these concerns, Cushing is universally considered a can't-miss NFL prospect, a surefire first-rounder, and most draft boards have him rated the second-best outside linebacker prospect, behind only Aaron Curry. His ranking seems not to have risen or fallen since the Combine, which suggests that most people's minds are made up, and Cushing's status is secure--pending only a rise or fall in his positional competition.

Cushing still isn't getting me worked up into a tizzy
 
my only real view of him was in the senior bowl where he seemed to get to the ball quickly but seemed like a lousy tackler. He just didn't seem to have that football player kill'em mentality that I'd look for. I know there are a ton of those guys in the NFL. I just hope the Texans see past him.
 
Let me ask you this...would you have Shawn Merriman on your team?

Not right now I wouldn't. there are way to many questions regarding his injuries from last year. Prior to that he looked like a one trick pony, a great one, but one none the less. He sucked in coverage and I do not think he did very well going down the sidelines as some. He always seemed to take a 4 yard gain angle to make the tackle. But he could rush the passer better than a lot of 3-4 OLB.
 
Let me clear this up.

Would you take a proven, Pro Bowl caliber OLB who gets caught on steroids? What are the consequences Shawn Merriman faced? A 4 game suspension and a slap on the wrist. Merriman was the best pass rushing OLB in the game for a while, though in everything else he wasn't quite as good.
 
Let me clear this up.

Would you take a proven, Pro Bowl caliber OLB who gets caught on steroids? What are the consequences Shawn Merriman faced? A 4 game suspension and a slap on the wrist. Merriman was the best pass rushing OLB in the game for a while, though in everything else he wasn't quite as good.

Cushing is getting nit picked to death now. Snow ball is rolling down the mountain and theres no stopping it until April twenty fourth. My bet it's coming out of Atlanta, Miami or Detroit to drive him down to the 21 spot. Not fair. But when you've got barracudas playing poker, it's best to keep loose fingers off of the table.

My answer to You and Lombardi, BL is simply this:

It's USC for Christs sake. The wolf in New England just shipped one off, a QB, for a two who could never get onto the field when he was there. Doesn't it stand to reason....They are so loaded with OLBs who are better at covering than Cushing is that as a matter of course they spelled the guy to keep him fresh ? Cushing's only flaw I've seen is that he tends to over run plays. In other words his athleticism over runs what his eyes are telling him. And he takes care of his body. Just take the guy out and shoot him why don't ya ? Cushing can cover anything at TE the Texans will see.
 
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My problem with Cushing, as I mentioned before, is that in all the video I have been able to find, I have yet to see him put a decent hit on anyone that wasn't a QB. It seems as though he mostly catches the RB with his arms instead of delivering the hit to the ball carrier. Most NFL RBs will blow through the arm-tackles I saw. However, I didn't watch a whole lot of USC games last year, so if these videos are misleading and Cushing is a better tackler than I have seen displayed in these "highlight" videos, then I wouldn't mind him on the team (still would prefer a trade down).
 
It's USC for Christs sake. The wolf in New England just shipped one off, a QB, for a two who could never get onto the field when he was there. Doesn't it stand to reason....They are so loaded with OLBs who are better at covering than Cushing is that as a matter of course they spelled the guy to keep him fresh ? Cushing's only flaw I've seen is that he tends to over run plays. In other words his athleticism over runs what his eyes are telling him. And he takes care of his body. Just take the guy out and shoot him why don't ya ? Cushing can cover anything at TE the Texans will see.


What a complete overexaggeration of Cushing's skills on nearly all levels. I like how you say Cushing can cover anything at TE the Texans will see. Overexaggeration of the century right there. And Cushing's only flaw is that he over runs plays? What?

The guy has had injury after injury during his career so I would be very worried about injuries. People who tell you they are not worried about injuries anymore with him are talking out of their asses. The guy has had an injury every year, I am not sure why anyone would suspect that the injuries would stop once he becomes a pro. I'm not saying he will for sure be injured but I am saying that people claiming his injury problems were because he "was a kid" or "were in the past" are spewing nonsense. There is absolutely nothing to suggest he is not still, as he has always been his entire career, injury prone. Just look at his past, it is not even arguable.

Add a seriously injury prone player to questions about steroids and the fact that the guy has been severely overhyped and I don't understand the support behind the pick. I guess people are so desperate for an OLB that they just pick a name from a list.

We can't afford to take an injury prone "strong" side linebacker who is overhyped at the #15 spot. Both of our starting OLBs were injured last year. Why in the world would we add someone who gets a rather severe injury every single year he plays football.
 
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Add a seriously injury prone player to questions about steroids and the fact that the guy has been severely overhyped and I say pass unless he is there in the 2nd round. Even then I would be worried about him seeing the actual field, and not the weight room.
I'm not big on Cushing either. It may not be fair as a perception on Cushing but he carries it. Many 'manufactured' athletes are injury prone because while you can enlarge your musculature quite a bit with today's understanding of the body, your tendons, bones and supporting structures don't grow in proportion to your enhanced muscles and those guys tend to get injured more than a natural athlete that was blessed with a body they don't have to bulk up as much to compete. Their bodies already have a supporting structure that matches their musculature.
 
I'm not big on Cushing either. It may not be fair as a perception on Cushing but he carries it. Many 'manufactured' athletes are injury prone because while you can enlarge your musculature quite a bit with today's understanding of the body, your tendons, bones and supporting structures don't grow in proportion and those guys tend to get injured more than a natural athlete that was blessed with a body they don't have to bulk up as much to compete. Their bodies already have a supporting structure that matches their musculature.

would you consider Andre Smith a natural athlete?
 
would you consider Andre Smith a natural athlete?
beats me, Cushing has some baggage and lots of question marks along with some gyno-teet boobs. I was just addressing the injury prone tie-in with some known problems with roid-boy bodies.
 
I'm not big on Cushing either. It may not be fair as a perception on Cushing but he carries it. Many 'manufactured' athletes are injury prone because while you can enlarge your musculature quite a bit with today's understanding of the body, your tendons, bones and supporting structures don't grow in proportion to your enhanced muscles and those guys tend to get injured more than a natural athlete that was blessed with a body they don't have to bulk up as much to compete. Their bodies already have a supporting structure that matches their musculature.

Im not disagreeing with what you saying, however then the same could be said about Matthews. Coming in to USC he was 166lbs. Has Matthews had injury problems?
 
You don't want Cushing to be another Bobby Carpenter. Someone with that "motor" background who didn't fit anywhere in the pros.
 
I'm not big on Cushing either. It may not be fair as a perception on Cushing but he carries it. Many 'manufactured' athletes are injury prone because while you can enlarge your musculature quite a bit with today's understanding of the body, your tendons, bones and supporting structures don't grow in proportion to your enhanced muscles and those guys tend to get injured more than a natural athlete that was blessed with a body they don't have to bulk up as much to compete. Their bodies already have a supporting structure that matches their musculature.

This is why you should always stack your steroids with hGH. The hGH promotes the strengthening of the connective tissue and minimizes injuries.

I'm not saying, I'm just sayin.
 
Wow.

I'm not going to rag people too hard.

But you guys better think twice before laying into ME about how I don't have good analytical skills.

The vast majority of people had some pretty negative outlooks on the guy.

Oops. :roast:
 
Well, USC's a hell of a team. Lots of contributors. But I've watched a number of Cushing's highlight videos and he doesn't exactly jump off the screen.

Just my opinion, of course. I was wrong about Mario. I was wrong about VY. Always a chance I'm wrong again...

LOL.

Don't get mad at me, OK? It's all in some innocent, non-personal fun.

"...Always a chance I'm wrong again..."
 
I'd only be excited about drafting Cushing if we got him in the 3rd round. He's too much of a workout boy that never really impressed me all that much on the field. He'd be a good 'effort guy' that has the right attitude for a linebacker but he isn't a early to mid first round prospect imo.

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Threetoedpete nailed this one. :clap:

How can I get his address so I can send him an update on it?
 
Threetoedpete nailed this one. :clap:

How can I get his address so I can send him an update on it?

Haven't heard from TTP in a while.

Hope he's OK.

If anybody knows how to get in touch with him by e-mail or whatever let me know.

He was great to talk draft stuff with.

BTW I got both Cushing and Barwin right as our 1st two picks last year.

Thanks for the rep Senor Stan
 
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