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David Gibbs Interview/Gibbs Hired

bckey

All Pro
To me the Texans are doing everything backwards. They interview position coaches before hiring a dc. Of course if they plan on promoting Bush then I guess it makes sense except they should name him already if he is their man. I personally would like some new blood to come in with fresh ideas. You would think they would have interviewed Jerry Gray and/or Greg Williams already and have those interviews out of the way. It really looks like the Texans have their eye on one person in particular with Bush as their fall back guy. Hard to tell.
 

Killer Bee

Waterboy
This is great news. From my knowledge, he has a very solid track record. More importantly, it would keep his father Alex Gibbs here for at least another year.
 

GP

Go Texans!
To me the Texans are doing everything backwards. They interview position coaches before hiring a dc. Of course if they plan on promoting Bush then I guess it makes sense except they should name him already if he is their man. I personally would like some new blood to come in with fresh ideas. You would think they would have interviewed Jerry Gray and/or Greg Williams already and have those interviews out of the way. It really looks like the Texans have their eye on one person in particular with Bush as their fall back guy. Hard to tell.
To me, it DOES back up the idea that Bush is Plan B in case Plan A doesn't work out. So, Plan A must be someone on one of the remaining playoff teams.

Going to be a lot of pissed off people here if Frank Bush becomes the DC after all the movement in the offseason market. The early verdict will be that the Texans didn't get serious about bringing a fresh brain into the mix at DC. If so...you gotta' start asking yourself "WHY?"

I don't live in Houston, and don't get the local sports stuff every day. What's the mood like right now? Is there an eery silence out of Texans office(s) right now? Seems like they've kinda' gone underground with as little info that I've seen posted on this search for a DC.
 

Errant Hothy

Hypermediocrity
To me, it DOES back up the idea that Bush is Plan B in case Plan A doesn't work out. So, Plan A must be someone on one of the remaining playoff teams.

Going to be a lot of pissed off people here if Frank Bush becomes the DC after all the movement in the offseason market. The early verdict will be that the Texans didn't get serious about bringing a fresh brain into the mix at DC. If so...you gotta' start asking yourself "WHY?"

I don't live in Houston, and don't get the local sports stuff every day. What's the mood like right now? Is there an eery silence out of Texans office(s) right now? Seems like they've kinda' gone underground with as little info that I've seen posted on this search for a DC.
What movment in the offseason are you talking about?

Nolan has been the only hiring so far, at DC. Marinelli and Capers being the only position coaches I can recall being hired off hand; and while I would have like Marinelli to coach the line here I want nothing to do with Capers.

Everybody needs to calm down and see how this plays out, before we start to make assumptions as to how the search is handeled.
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
Just more proof of what a lot of us have been saying for a while - it's Bush, and it was always going to be Bush.
meh....you're maybe right, who knows? At this point I don’t care if they prop George Gipp’s skeleton up in the locker room and call him the DC, and long as the defense improves and gets us into the playoffs.
 

b0ng

Bad Hombre
To me, it DOES back up the idea that Bush is Plan B in case Plan A doesn't work out. So, Plan A must be someone on one of the remaining playoff teams.

Going to be a lot of pissed off people here if Frank Bush becomes the DC after all the movement in the offseason market. The early verdict will be that the Texans didn't get serious about bringing a fresh brain into the mix at DC. If so...you gotta' start asking yourself "WHY?"

I don't live in Houston, and don't get the local sports stuff every day. What's the mood like right now? Is there an eery silence out of Texans office(s) right now? Seems like they've kinda' gone underground with as little info that I've seen posted on this search for a DC.
Your asking for the mood of the local fans that a segment of still thinks trading for VY would be a good idea. I'll defer to this messageboard for what I think are the forward thinking and somewhat football savvy fans opinions.

Whether we get a fresh brain or not, I just really don't care who is put back there, as long as it's a change. Sure if the change appears to hinder the defense even more than it already is, then I'm sure there will be a lot of us calling for other coaching staff heads to roll, but until then I'm not going to make any judgement of great the defense will be when the hire is announced.

I have a strong feeling that it will be Bush, but whatever. He, along with all of the other coordinators mentioned have their pros and cons.
 

GP

Go Texans!
What movment in the offseason are you talking about?

Nolan has been the only hiring so far, at DC. Marinelli and Capers being the only position coaches I can recall being hired off hand; and while I would have like Marinelli to coach the line here I want nothing to do with Capers.

Everybody needs to calm down and see how this plays out, before we start to make assumptions as to how the search is handeled.
What interviews have been announced or covered for the position of Defensive Coordinator thus far?

Crickets are chirping. It's gotta' be a guy on one of the remaining four teams, and if that guy won't come over...it's Plan B.

I won't care if it's Plan B. I'm in the mood for ABRS (Anybody But Richard Smith). And I think Bush was playing a part in those games when we are all on the gameday thread saying "What the hell is THAT? A blitz? Richard must have stepped out for a bathroom break."
 

Errant Hothy

Hypermediocrity
What interviews have been announced or covered for the position of Defensive Coordinator thus far?

Crickets are chirping. It's gotta' be a guy on one of the remaining four teams, and if that guy won't come over...it's Plan B.

I won't care if it's Plan B. I'm in the mood for ABRS (Anybody But Richard Smith). And I think Bush was playing a part in those games when we are all on the gameday thread saying "What the hell is THAT? A blitz? Richard must have stepped out for a bathroom break."
It always sounds like crickets chripping at Reliant.

I agree that they likely have their eye on somebody still coaching, but even if they don't I'm not opposed to them taking their time with this. Nobody of much consequence is off the market yet anyways.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
Just more proof of what a lot of us have been saying for a while - it's Bush, and it was always going to be Bush.
That's more or less what I believe too now. Trying to get Marinelli on the DL was a decision that left some room for debate as to who their preferred DC was going to be. Marinelli is a DL coaching home run and there's not a candidate worth the time for the DC spot that would balk at working with him.

Now to try and fill the DB coaching spot with David Gibbs just really says that the Texans are going to give the job to Frank Bush. He's probably in there with Kubiak interviewing these guys.

I'm mostly ok with that (maybe a bit dissappointed) but it will all come down to what Bush does. Kubiak had best be confident in his choice if it's Bush because he's going to be fired because of him if he's wrong.
 

bckey

All Pro
That's more or less what I believe too now. Trying to get Marinelli on the DL was a decision that left some room for debate as to who their preferred DC was going to be. Marinelli is a DL coaching home run and there's not a candidate worth the time for the DC spot that would balk at working with him.

Now to try and fill the DB coaching spot with David Gibbs just really says that the Texans are going to give the job to Frank Bush. He's probably in there with Kubiak interviewing these guys.

I'm mostly ok with that (maybe a bit dissappointed) but it will all come down to what Bush does. Kubiak had best be confident in his choice if it's Bush because he's going to be fired because of him if he's wrong.

The whole process has been a head scratcher so far. I'm still holding out for Gray or McDermott but more and more I'm getting worried due to no interviews for the dc yet. But 2 for position coaches. I still can't understand why if Bush is their man that they just don't announce it. That is the part that gives me hope for a fresh face.
 

TexansSeminole

Hall of Fame
Now to try and fill the DB coaching spot with David Gibbs just really says that the Texans are going to give the job to Frank Bush. He's probably in there with Kubiak interviewing these guys.
Perhaps they are interviewing Gibbs so if they choose Bush for DC, they have already interviewed a secondary coach. If they bring in someone different maybe they don't hire Gibbs, and go with whoever the new DC wants.
 

False Start

On # 69
Just more proof of what a lot of us have been saying for a while - it's Bush, and it was always going to be Bush.

"We have bush!"

Yeah, I think it will be Bush too. Its OK I guess, I was hoping for a proven guy though. Maybe Frank will prove to be a hell of a coordinator, who knows? Maybe its someone on one of the playoff teams like someone here said, if not......... we'll have Bush!
 

DiehardChris

You betcha!
That's more or less what I believe too now. Trying to get Marinelli on the DL was a decision that left some room for debate as to who their preferred DC was going to be. Marinelli is a DL coaching home run and there's not a candidate worth the time for the DC spot that would balk at working with him.

Now to try and fill the DB coaching spot with David Gibbs just really says that the Texans are going to give the job to Frank Bush. He's probably in there with Kubiak interviewing these guys.

I'm mostly ok with that (maybe a bit dissappointed) but it will all come down to what Bush does. Kubiak had best be confident in his choice if it's Bush because he's going to be fired because of him if he's wrong.
I think you're dead on about Marinelli. I figured no matter WHO their preferred DC was, none of them would have a problem with Marinelli unless the systems were just waaay out of whack.... but when you're talking about David Gibbs - that's not a name that you can plug in and expect all the incoming DC interviews to be cool with that.

So - I still held a little bit of hope that even with the early interview of Marinelli, they could have an accomplished name DC... but Gibbs? Come on. They're not fooling anyone!

I'm not at all excited about Bush as the DC, but one positive I can pull from it is that he knows the personnel better than any newcomer would. That's a stretch, I realize - but I don't want to start off having a big problem with the new DC because at this point I'd be SHOCKED if Bush isn't the guy.
 

AcresHomesTexan

No Longer Arlington: Escaped From Jerry's World
Staff member
Unless I am mistaken Kubiak, said that the Texans won't start interviewing in earnest until this week. I am missing the connection that one interview with David Gibbs does or not indicate that the Texans have their DC.
 

GP

Go Texans!
That's more or less what I believe too now. Trying to get Marinelli on the DL was a decision that left some room for debate as to who their preferred DC was going to be. Marinelli is a DL coaching home run and there's not a candidate worth the time for the DC spot that would balk at working with him.

Now to try and fill the DB coaching spot with David Gibbs just really says that the Texans are going to give the job to Frank Bush. He's probably in there with Kubiak interviewing these guys.

I'm mostly ok with that (maybe a bit dissappointed) but it will all come down to what Bush does. Kubiak had best be confident in his choice if it's Bush because he's going to be fired because of him if he's wrong.
Hmmm...I can buy that.

The question, posed by bckey, is: Why don't they just go ahead and announce it? What's the point of hiding it? What in the world do we gain by playing it in this manner?

Is Frank Bush going to be some sort of Defense Quality Control Director or something...the guy who sits with folded arms and keeps watch over the defense?

Can't wait for this to wrap up. This is like watching "24." LOL.
 

Silver Oak

All Pro
I'm gonna put my trust in McNair/Smith/Kubiak, and know they have a plan and game plan in mind. It's tough when we see these names being thrown around daily, but they might not have been a fit for what the Texans want...at least that's what I'm going to be thinking when I lay my head down tonight.


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GP

Go Texans!
Unless I am mistaken Kubiak, said that the Texans won't start interviewing in earnest until this week. I am missing the connection that one interview with David Gibbs does or not indicate that the Texans have their DC.
But what in the world is Bush still doing here? He was wanted when he was in Arizona. When he became available, he was here. Three defensive coaches got canned, but Frank remains.

I suppose the alternative theory is that Bush is happy with whatever role he'll have with the Texans (be it DC or some other role).
 

TexanSam

Hall of Fame
I like this interview. He seems like a solid coach.

As far as Frank Bush being the defensive coordinator. I'd be a little disappointed but I wouldn't be upset with the decision. None of us know what he's capable of as far as running a defense.
 

AcresHomesTexan

No Longer Arlington: Escaped From Jerry's World
Staff member
But what in the world is Bush still doing here? He was wanted when he was in Arizona. When he became available, he was here. Three defensive coaches got canned, but Frank remains.

I suppose the alternative theory is that Bush is happy with whatever role he'll have with the Texans (be it DC or some other role).
Bush has a contract. I am sure I am not the only person on this board who interviewed for a promotion and did not get it. If he is not professional enough to do his job (assuming he does not get DC), then that would be the indication that the Texans made the correct call.
 

Killer Bee

Waterboy
Here's a decent write up on his coaching background. I'm impressed that Baby Gibbs has been affiliated with so many successful pass defenses, although it’s on the Chiefs webpage and obviously skewed to only his accomplishments. Note that his secondary ranked 28th this year in yards allowed, so I would take the articles bias with a grain of salt.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/coach/david_gibbs/
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
Bush has a contract. I am sure I am not the only person on this board who interviewed for a promotion and did not get it. If he is not professional enough to do his job (assuming he does not get DC), then that would be the indication that the Texans made the correct call.
Wrong.

You're the only person on this board who has interviewed for a promotion and not gotten it.

The rest of us were too busy wasting time on TT to interview.

:mcnugget:
 

DiehardChris

You betcha!
Unless I am mistaken Kubiak, said that the Texans won't start interviewing in earnest until this week. I am missing the connection that one interview with David Gibbs does or not indicate that the Texans have their DC.
The connection is that if the Texans are considering a "name" DC - they wouldn't be staffing the defensive coaches for him. A name DC is going to want to hire their own staff - or at least most of it. If they were to hire Gibbs, then the DB coach, the LB coach, and a senior adviser (Rhodes) would already be in place. No name DC with an impressive resume is going to want to go somewhere where he can't fill the staff out with his own guys - or, again - at least most of them.

So - to sum up - interviewing him doesn't indicate to me that they have their guy in mind - but hiring him certainly would... or at the very least, it would indicate that they aren't bringing in a "name" DC.

Who knows though? This team has done unpredictable stuff in the past.
 

GP

Go Texans!
Bush has a contract. I am sure I am not the only person on this board who interviewed for a promotion and did not get it. If he is not professional enough to do his job (assuming he does not get DC), then that would be the indication that the Texans made the correct call.
But answer me this: Why is HE retained while three others were canned? Throw in the "non-renewal of contract" for the strength & conditioning coach and it looks like someone on the Texans coaching staff is already making bold decisions.

I guess Kubiak's making those decisions FOR the mystery-man d-coord who has yet to even interview with us?

Why not fire Richard Smith, retain all the other coaches for the sake of procedure, interview for d-coord, and then let the new d-coord determine who he wants and who he doesn't? Unless the new d-coord was already on staff to begin with, saw all the mess himself (up close & personal), and said "This is the route we gotta' go: Fire him, fire him, retain him, fire him..."

Only some weird arrangement between Bush and Smithiak can be the other situation: A "You're our guy if we can't get so-and-so" deal. Which would just seem odd to me.

Bush is a part of the staff for 2009-10. Maybe it's DC, maybe it's on defense, or maybe it's some other position. But it's definitely squirrely if you ask me.

LOL...DiehardChris and I were typing the SAME thing at the same time. Scary, isn't it? You don't want to be on record as "having agreed with GP" on anything. Your rep just dropped a little.
 

Shaft75

All Pro
I was just watching ABC 13 news and they were showing a segment on the Shriners game in Houston. Why would I bring this up?

Well write in the middle of reading comments in this thread on my iphone, I looked up a the tv and saw some coaches watching the practice today. Good old Kubiak was in the middle with his offensive coordinator, Kyle Shanahan to his left and you guesses it... Frank Bush to his right.

Am I reading to much into it?
 

gtexan02

Working?
I was just watching ABC 13 news and they were showing a segment on the Shriners game in Houston. Why would I bring this up?

Well write in the middle of reading comments in this thread on my iphone, I looked up a the tv and saw some coaches watching the practice today. Good old Kubiak was in the middle with his offensive coordinator, Kyle Shanahan to his left and you guesses it... Frank Bush to his right.

Am I reading to much into it?
Probably. If the Texans 100% knew the next DC of our team was Frank Bush, they would have said so by now. They are waiting to see if they can get someone better that is maybe unavailable for interview and if they can't, then theyl'l probably promote Frank
 

AcresHomesTexan

No Longer Arlington: Escaped From Jerry's World
Staff member
I am not as sure that coordiantors (on either side) get the right to hire their guys as blindly as some of you suggest. Especially when you are coming into a situation where the entire (both sides) coaching staff was not jettisonned. My other issue, is which candidate has such cloat that he can make that demand? Greg Williams? Last couple of years not that good. Mike Nolan? maybe. Any of the young guys like McDermit? don't think so.

My sense is that like many issues there is a lot more gray as what is "normal" or "usual" in regard to who gets say over a hiring. Pretty sure, Kubiak is taking the last say in hiring even if he get recommndations from the DC. I am sure that a part of the interview process is are familiar with _____ and maybe even a meeting with _____? Is there any reason you don't see being able to work with _____? etc.
 
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gtexan02

Working?
About Frank Bush: (from our official site)

2007-08: Senior Defensive Assistant, Houston Texans
2006: Asst. Head Coach/Linebackers, Arizona Cardinals
2004-05: Linebackers, Arizona Cardinals
2001-03: Special Teams, Denver Broncos
2000: Secondary/Nickel Package, Denver Broncos
1995-99: Linebackers, Denver Broncos
1992-94: Linebackers, Houston Oilers
1987-92: Scout, Houston Oilers
 

GP

Go Texans!
I am not as sure that coordiantors (on either side) get the right to hire their guys as blindly as some of you suggest. Especially when you are coming into a situation where the entire (both sides) coaching staff was not jettisonned. My other issue, is which candidate has such cloat that he can make that demand? Greg Williams? Last couple of years not that good. Mike Nolan? maybe. Any of the young guys like McDermit? don't think so.

My sense is that like many issues there is a lot more gray as what is "normal" or "usual" in regard to who gets say over a hiring. Pretty sure, Kubiak is taking the last say in hiring even if he get recommndations from the DC. I am sure that a part of the interview process is are familiar with _____ and maybe even a meeting with _____? Is there any reason you don't see being able to work with _____? etc.
So then, Bush is like a Quality Control guy over the defense. He ensures that Kubiak's vision is carried out? Sort of like Robert Duvall's character in the Godfather movies?

Kubiak has direct supervision over Shanny Jr., since Kubiak's an offense-minded person anyways. And he's using Bush as an adviser/director. Bush's role is to make sure Kubiak can keep tabs on the d-coord without having to spend the time and effort in doing it himself?

Sounds about the way Kubiak would handle it: He wants the ability to overrule a coach and to have (a) a person to do it and (b) a person to do it who knows what Kubiak wants, which is what happened with Kubiak-Bush-Richard Smith according to one of our own sources here on TT who said Bush told him that he and Kubiak handcuffed Richard Smith on certain things.

I dig ya'.

The whole "not announcing Bush as d-coord" thing can be explained easily if Bush is more of a Quality Control type of person. He's essentially an elevated adviser for defense. Maybe.
 

PHAROAH

Rookie
I don't think Kubiak really know what style of defense they want to run at this point if they knew they would be very serious about the process unless they have certain candidates that are still in the playoffs. I think that Frank Bush as defensive coordinator is a move in the wrong direction for the Texans because he was on the defensive staff that failed to put a better product on the field.
 

barrett

All Pro
Dudes,

I want this to go well just like the rest of you. I'm as anxious and any of you. I've been as out spoken as anyone that I want a hire! It's killing me too! I'm reading anything and everything into any little morsel of information that we get just like you!

But it's just an interview. Some teams are very public about any movement. Traditionally, this team is very hush about it's activities and usually very "under the radar" with it's choices and decisions. Part of it is we're not the GBP's or the Broncos, Patriots etc. We're the Texans. We're not a high profile team. We draft no names sometimes that are pretty good. We hire less news making gee golly gosh people sometimes. We're not a news making team.

The saints trade for guys like Shockey. We don't. Shockey didn't score a TD this year. Not one. They are much more public about there actions than we are but also they make moves that we don't. They publicly interview 4 DC's right out of the gate. We interview a few position coaches that we think might be a good fit. We're not sure. That's why we're interviewing them. We are a much more careful calculated team. Our Owner, GM, HC, Superstar WR, Superstar DE, Rookie Sensation RB are all careful, thoughtful people who are patient and team oriented. This is the nature of OUR HOUSTON TEXANS.

you gotta love 'em.

Go Texans.
 

Errant Hothy

Hypermediocrity
I am not as sure that coordiantors (on either side) get the right to hire their guys as blindly as some of you suggest. Especially when you are coming into a situation where the entire (both sides) coaching staff was not jettisonned. My other issue, is which candidate has such cloat that he can make that demand? Greg Williams? Last couple of years not that good. Mike Nolan? maybe. Any of the young guys like McDermit? don't think so.

My sense is that like many issues there is a lot more gray as what is "normal" or "usual" in regard to who gets say over a hiring. Pretty sure, Kubiak is taking the last say in hiring even if he get recommndations from the DC. I am sure that a part of the interview process is are familiar with _____ and maybe even a meeting with _____? Is there any reason you don't see being able to work with _____? etc.
I agree with this, in fact I think the days of a OC or DC being allowed to jettison any entire staff to bring his guys is are over, if they ever truly existed in the first place. GMs and team owners are starting to catch on to the fact that one of the commodities they have they most control over is their coaching staffs. They can being in the young guys who they think will be successful, bring him along, pay him whatever they need to keep him (unlike players in the salary cap era), deny other teams access to him until he is ready to coach for their team. I think Kyle Shannanon may be the perfect example of this on the Texans.
 

Texans_Chick

Utopian Dreamer
I agree with this, in fact I think the days of a OC or DC being allowed to jettison any entire staff to bring his guys is are over, if they ever truly existed in the first place. GMs and team owners are starting to catch on to the fact that one of the commodities they have they most control over is their coaching staffs. They can being in the young guys who they think will be successful, bring him along, pay him whatever they need to keep him (unlike players in the salary cap era), deny other teams access to him until he is ready to coach for their team. I think Kyle Shannanon may be the perfect example of this on the Texans.
Most DCs don't have enough of their guys to fill an entire staff when they take over a new position.

The Texans aren't the only ones interviewing position coaches before chosing a DC. Saints recently hired a position coach before picking the DC.
 

Kaiser Toro

Native Mod
There is also the possibility that the Texans have not been given clearance to interview one or more of the candidates they want to bring in.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
Hmmm...I can buy that.

The question, posed by bckey, is: Why don't they just go ahead and announce it? What's the point of hiding it? What in the world do we gain by playing it in this manner?

Is Frank Bush going to be some sort of Defense Quality Control Director or something...the guy who sits with folded arms and keeps watch over the defense?

Can't wait for this to wrap up. This is like watching "24." LOL.
My answer to that question would be "I don't know (but I wish I did)". The thing about the Texans is that if they go with Frank Bush in the end and if every move they make every single step of the way to that result seems to indicate that they were going to hire Frank Bush all along then they'll still stand up in front of the world and tell everyone that they didn't have their minds made up all along.

When you ask "Why go through all of that?" I can't answer you because I'm asking the same question all the time about the Texans. They do a lot of junk like this and it always leaves me scratching my head and thinking "Why play everything like it's triple-top-secret? You look stupid doing that" They've always done things this way and I guess it's cultural with them at this point.
 
P

Polo

Guest
I think Frank Bush is the New DC if we don't find anyone who seems to be obviously more qualified.
 

bckey

All Pro
I'm holding out hope that Kubiak has contacted the Eagles to interview McDermott. Kubiak is old school enough to say he wants to wait until after their playoff run is finished. It is possible like some of you have said also that the Eagles could deny the Texans permission until after the playoffs. I think it would be more of a mutual agreement between both parties to wait. Maybe if the Eagles go to the superbowl they might spare McDermott a day out of those 2 weeks for an interview. It would be a lot less distracting with 2 weeks to prepare instead of 1.

I'm ok with little Gibbs. He seems to have a decent enough resume. And if it turns out that the Texans do hire a position coach like McDermott what staff would he have been able to bring anyway? I looked up the staff for the Giants and when they were hired and it looks like the Giants were fully staffed on defense when they hired Steve Spagnuolo. He didn't get to bring in anyone as far as I can tell. I know an established dc usually brings in some people he has worked with but a position coach making the jump to coordinator maybe not the norm.

I agree with Hervoyel. They do a lot of junk like this and it always leaves me scratching my head and thinking "Why play everything like it's triple-top-secret? You look stupid doing that" I just hope in the end the Texans end up with an excellent dc.
 

GP

Go Texans!
My answer to that question would be "I don't know (but I wish I did)". The thing about the Texans is that if they go with Frank Bush in the end and if every move they make every single step of the way to that result seems to indicate that they were going to hire Frank Bush all along then they'll still stand up in front of the world and tell everyone that they didn't have their minds made up all along.

When you ask "Why go through all of that?" I can't answer you because I'm asking the same question all the time about the Texans. They do a lot of junk like this and it always leaves me scratching my head and thinking "Why play everything like it's triple-top-secret? You look stupid doing that" They've always done things this way and I guess it's cultural with them at this point.
This must be a McNair thing. We know he won't even LOOK at players who have undesirable character/behavior. We know he prides himself on having a squeaky clean organization. There must be clear orders, all the way down, that the attitude to have is one of complete order. It's the business man attitude: "We do our jobs, we produce a product, you buy it, everyone is happy now. No need to interest yourselves in the process of producing the product. You'll learn what you need to know, when you need to know it. Now, run along and play with your friends."

I don't want to use the word Obsessive Compulsive, because the guy doesn't seem to be THAT bad. But it is sort of like a sterile, surgical environment or culture with the Texans. There is definitely a posture of secrecy.

With the local sports media Houston has, I can see why. Anything you give you-know-who is going to be used against you all day every day.
 
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infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Here's a decent write up on his coaching background. I'm impressed that Baby Gibbs has been affiliated with so many successful pass defenses, although it’s on the Chiefs webpage and obviously skewed to only his accomplishments. Note that his secondary ranked 28th this year in yards allowed, so I would take the articles bias with a grain of salt.
To be fair, his vet Surtain went down and he had 2 rookie starters and a 3rd rookie playing nickel/dime.

The connection is that if the Texans are considering a "name" DC - they wouldn't be staffing the defensive coaches for him. A name DC is going to want to hire their own staff - or at least most of it.
I am not as sure that coordiantors (on either side) get the right to hire their guys as blindly as some of you suggest. Especially when you are coming into a situation where the entire (both sides) coaching staff was not jettisonned.
I'm with AT. The "fact" that any decent DC is going to want to hire his own staff seems unproven and overplayed. Remember Kubiak is used to Shanahan exercising GM control and basically having final say but for the owner. He has close to set up that situation here as Kubiak looks to have more control than Smith.
 

HOU-TEX

Ah, Football!
I might be a little off-base here, but I don't see much of a problem with promoting Bush. Just because he worked under a crappy DC doesn't mean he'd be an automatic failure at the position. I'd have to guess he has his own defensive philosophy he'd be installing.

I'm in the sit back and watch how things play out mode, but I wouldn't be upset if the DC position went to Bush. He's never had his own product on the field so I don't see how we can judge at this point.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
What interviews have been announced or covered for the position of Defensive Coordinator thus far?

Crickets are chirping. It's gotta' be a guy on one of the remaining four teams, and if that guy won't come over...it's Plan B.

I won't care if it's Plan B. I'm in the mood for ABRS (Anybody But Richard Smith). And I think Bush was playing a part in those games when we are all on the gameday thread saying "What the hell is THAT? A blitz? Richard must have stepped out for a bathroom break."
I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what the hype and hoopla is about Frank Bush any way. Why do so many people want this guy to become the Texans coordinator? You're right he was part of Smith's staff, and he could also have part of the blame as well. I don't want Bush. I want some young new blood that is hungry and wants to bring a fiesty defensive game plan.
 

Texan_Bill

Hall of Fame
I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what the hype and hoopla is about Frank Bush any way. Why do so many people want this guy to become the Texans coordinator? You're right he was part of Smith's staff, and he could also have part of the blame as well. I don't want Bush. I want some young new blood that is hungry and wants to bring a fiesty defensive game plan.
Maybe some people feel that if he had the reigns, he would coach like he played. :hmmm:
 

HOU-TEX

Ah, Football!
I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what the hype and hoopla is about Frank Bush any way. Why do so many people want this guy to become the Texans coordinator? You're right he was part of Smith's staff, and he could also have part of the blame as well. I don't want Bush. I want some young new blood that is hungry and wants to bring a fiesty defensive game plan.
Who's to say Bush isn't and wouldn't?
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
I might be a little off-base here, but I don't see much of a problem with promoting Bush. Just because he worked under a crappy DC doesn't mean he'd be an automatic failure at the position. I'd have to guess he has his own defensive philosophy he'd be installing.

I'm in the sit back and watch how things play out mode, but I wouldn't be upset if the DC position went to Bush. He's never had his own product on the field so I don't see how we can judge at this point.
I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what the hype and hoopla is about Frank Bush any way. Why do so many people want this guy to become the Texans coordinator? You're right he was part of Smith's staff, and he could also have part of the blame as well. I don't want Bush. I want some young new blood that is hungry and wants to bring a fiesty defensive game plan.
I would assume if the Texans are considering Bush after him having been here a while it is because they believe his philosophy would be different than Smith's. I don't see what is the presumption against him. That isn't the same thing as hoping he gets the gig. Frankly, I would like to see McDermott, but I don't get all the anti-Bush sentiment.

Ponder this--if the report is correct that Smith's play-calling was limited at the end of the year by having certain calls eliminated as options, who do you think worked with Kubiak to make those decisions?
 
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da Bull

Practice Squad
Bush maybe the guy, but.......

Kubiak isn't totally devoid of defensive knowledge. If you scheme against them (offensive coordinator) you have to understand them at least a little bit. I believe Kubiak is now exercising his administrative/coordinating efforts on defense after giving Smith a fairly long leash for 2 years and a shorter one this last year. To think that Kubiak hasn’t talked with various people he’s considering for defensive positions is ridiculous…..like he can’t get Sean McDermott’s phone number or hasn’t talked to him in the past. Kubiak isn’t stupid enough to pass that information along to John McClain.

Likewise, Kubiak probably called Jack Del Rio about Gregg Williams. Jack probably told Gary to hire Gregg on the spot since they play each other twice a year.

Bottomline: Kubiak has grown into the head coaching position administratively, not just the Xs and Os. He will pick “his” team that he wants to spend 18 hrs/day with for the next year trying to figure out the opponent’s strategy. Also, he probably won’t get input from us (fans) before he makes the hires either. I’d really be worried if there was a poll setup on the HT-website regarding “fan’s choice for defensive coordinator”.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
I would assume if the Texans are considering Bush after him having been here a while it is because they believe his philosophy would be different than Smith's. I don't see what is the presumption against him. That isn't the same thing as hoping he gets the gig. Frankly, I would like to see McDermott, but I don't get all the anti-Bush sentiment.
I just don't see what the sentiment is for to make him the guy. I don't have a whole lot of negatives that I can put on him either. I'm just trying to see what all the positives are and why people think he would be such a good choice for this team as the coordinator. What is his great strength as a coach? Why do certain people feel he has so much potential to make this a great defense? And for those who think that, could they tell me what they think he did this year to make his part of the defense successful. Again, it isn't some big Anti/Bush thing, I just can't see or find anything to get excited for regarding him as a candidate.
 

ChampionTexan

Hall of Fame
I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what the hype and hoopla is about Frank Bush any way. Why do so many people want this guy to become the Texans coordinator? You're right he was part of Smith's staff, and he could also have part of the blame as well. I don't want Bush. I want some young new blood that is hungry and wants to bring a fiesty defensive game plan.
I've seen precious little hype and hoopla relating to Bush - not much on this board, and less than none from the Texans. While I've seen folks say he's gonna be the guy, and that they could live with him, I've seen very few folks say he's who they want as their first choice.

I'd like to see someone new also. A sexy name from the outside is like getting that new bike for Christmas, while Frank Bush would pretty much be like getting clothes. Ultimately, it's someone else who's buying the presents.

Regardless of what direction Kubiak & Co. end up going, I'm alot more concerned with what folks are saying in 9 months to a year from now rather than what they're saying now, or what they will be saying immediately after the position is filled. I've said before, if the defense succeeds, I'm not going to care much that I hated the ultimate choice they made for DC, and if the defense doesn't succeed, the fact that I loved their choice isn't going to be much comfort.
 
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