Didn't see this posted anywhere else.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6207400.html
What do y'all think?
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6207400.html
What do y'all think?
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To me, it DOES back up the idea that Bush is Plan B in case Plan A doesn't work out. So, Plan A must be someone on one of the remaining playoff teams.To me the Texans are doing everything backwards. They interview position coaches before hiring a dc. Of course if they plan on promoting Bush then I guess it makes sense except they should name him already if he is their man. I personally would like some new blood to come in with fresh ideas. You would think they would have interviewed Jerry Gray and/or Greg Williams already and have those interviews out of the way. It really looks like the Texans have their eye on one person in particular with Bush as their fall back guy. Hard to tell.
What movment in the offseason are you talking about?To me, it DOES back up the idea that Bush is Plan B in case Plan A doesn't work out. So, Plan A must be someone on one of the remaining playoff teams.
Going to be a lot of pissed off people here if Frank Bush becomes the DC after all the movement in the offseason market. The early verdict will be that the Texans didn't get serious about bringing a fresh brain into the mix at DC. If so...you gotta' start asking yourself "WHY?"
I don't live in Houston, and don't get the local sports stuff every day. What's the mood like right now? Is there an eery silence out of Texans office(s) right now? Seems like they've kinda' gone underground with as little info that I've seen posted on this search for a DC.
meh....you're maybe right, who knows? At this point I dont care if they prop George Gipps skeleton up in the locker room and call him the DC, and long as the defense improves and gets us into the playoffs.Just more proof of what a lot of us have been saying for a while - it's Bush, and it was always going to be Bush.
Your asking for the mood of the local fans that a segment of still thinks trading for VY would be a good idea. I'll defer to this messageboard for what I think are the forward thinking and somewhat football savvy fans opinions.To me, it DOES back up the idea that Bush is Plan B in case Plan A doesn't work out. So, Plan A must be someone on one of the remaining playoff teams.
Going to be a lot of pissed off people here if Frank Bush becomes the DC after all the movement in the offseason market. The early verdict will be that the Texans didn't get serious about bringing a fresh brain into the mix at DC. If so...you gotta' start asking yourself "WHY?"
I don't live in Houston, and don't get the local sports stuff every day. What's the mood like right now? Is there an eery silence out of Texans office(s) right now? Seems like they've kinda' gone underground with as little info that I've seen posted on this search for a DC.
What interviews have been announced or covered for the position of Defensive Coordinator thus far?What movment in the offseason are you talking about?
Nolan has been the only hiring so far, at DC. Marinelli and Capers being the only position coaches I can recall being hired off hand; and while I would have like Marinelli to coach the line here I want nothing to do with Capers.
Everybody needs to calm down and see how this plays out, before we start to make assumptions as to how the search is handeled.
It always sounds like crickets chripping at Reliant.What interviews have been announced or covered for the position of Defensive Coordinator thus far?
Crickets are chirping. It's gotta' be a guy on one of the remaining four teams, and if that guy won't come over...it's Plan B.
I won't care if it's Plan B. I'm in the mood for ABRS (Anybody But Richard Smith). And I think Bush was playing a part in those games when we are all on the gameday thread saying "What the hell is THAT? A blitz? Richard must have stepped out for a bathroom break."
That's more or less what I believe too now. Trying to get Marinelli on the DL was a decision that left some room for debate as to who their preferred DC was going to be. Marinelli is a DL coaching home run and there's not a candidate worth the time for the DC spot that would balk at working with him.Just more proof of what a lot of us have been saying for a while - it's Bush, and it was always going to be Bush.
That's more or less what I believe too now. Trying to get Marinelli on the DL was a decision that left some room for debate as to who their preferred DC was going to be. Marinelli is a DL coaching home run and there's not a candidate worth the time for the DC spot that would balk at working with him.
Now to try and fill the DB coaching spot with David Gibbs just really says that the Texans are going to give the job to Frank Bush. He's probably in there with Kubiak interviewing these guys.
I'm mostly ok with that (maybe a bit dissappointed) but it will all come down to what Bush does. Kubiak had best be confident in his choice if it's Bush because he's going to be fired because of him if he's wrong.
Perhaps they are interviewing Gibbs so if they choose Bush for DC, they have already interviewed a secondary coach. If they bring in someone different maybe they don't hire Gibbs, and go with whoever the new DC wants.Now to try and fill the DB coaching spot with David Gibbs just really says that the Texans are going to give the job to Frank Bush. He's probably in there with Kubiak interviewing these guys.
Just more proof of what a lot of us have been saying for a while - it's Bush, and it was always going to be Bush.
I think you're dead on about Marinelli. I figured no matter WHO their preferred DC was, none of them would have a problem with Marinelli unless the systems were just waaay out of whack.... but when you're talking about David Gibbs - that's not a name that you can plug in and expect all the incoming DC interviews to be cool with that.That's more or less what I believe too now. Trying to get Marinelli on the DL was a decision that left some room for debate as to who their preferred DC was going to be. Marinelli is a DL coaching home run and there's not a candidate worth the time for the DC spot that would balk at working with him.
Now to try and fill the DB coaching spot with David Gibbs just really says that the Texans are going to give the job to Frank Bush. He's probably in there with Kubiak interviewing these guys.
I'm mostly ok with that (maybe a bit dissappointed) but it will all come down to what Bush does. Kubiak had best be confident in his choice if it's Bush because he's going to be fired because of him if he's wrong.
Hmmm...I can buy that.That's more or less what I believe too now. Trying to get Marinelli on the DL was a decision that left some room for debate as to who their preferred DC was going to be. Marinelli is a DL coaching home run and there's not a candidate worth the time for the DC spot that would balk at working with him.
Now to try and fill the DB coaching spot with David Gibbs just really says that the Texans are going to give the job to Frank Bush. He's probably in there with Kubiak interviewing these guys.
I'm mostly ok with that (maybe a bit dissappointed) but it will all come down to what Bush does. Kubiak had best be confident in his choice if it's Bush because he's going to be fired because of him if he's wrong.
But what in the world is Bush still doing here? He was wanted when he was in Arizona. When he became available, he was here. Three defensive coaches got canned, but Frank remains.Unless I am mistaken Kubiak, said that the Texans won't start interviewing in earnest until this week. I am missing the connection that one interview with David Gibbs does or not indicate that the Texans have their DC.
Bush has a contract. I am sure I am not the only person on this board who interviewed for a promotion and did not get it. If he is not professional enough to do his job (assuming he does not get DC), then that would be the indication that the Texans made the correct call.But what in the world is Bush still doing here? He was wanted when he was in Arizona. When he became available, he was here. Three defensive coaches got canned, but Frank remains.
I suppose the alternative theory is that Bush is happy with whatever role he'll have with the Texans (be it DC or some other role).
Wrong.Bush has a contract. I am sure I am not the only person on this board who interviewed for a promotion and did not get it. If he is not professional enough to do his job (assuming he does not get DC), then that would be the indication that the Texans made the correct call.
I'm sorry but it's true.Wrong.
You're the only person on this board who has interviewed for a promotion and not gotten it.
The rest of us were too busy wasting time on TT to interview.
The connection is that if the Texans are considering a "name" DC - they wouldn't be staffing the defensive coaches for him. A name DC is going to want to hire their own staff - or at least most of it. If they were to hire Gibbs, then the DB coach, the LB coach, and a senior adviser (Rhodes) would already be in place. No name DC with an impressive resume is going to want to go somewhere where he can't fill the staff out with his own guys - or, again - at least most of them.Unless I am mistaken Kubiak, said that the Texans won't start interviewing in earnest until this week. I am missing the connection that one interview with David Gibbs does or not indicate that the Texans have their DC.
But answer me this: Why is HE retained while three others were canned? Throw in the "non-renewal of contract" for the strength & conditioning coach and it looks like someone on the Texans coaching staff is already making bold decisions.Bush has a contract. I am sure I am not the only person on this board who interviewed for a promotion and did not get it. If he is not professional enough to do his job (assuming he does not get DC), then that would be the indication that the Texans made the correct call.
Probably. If the Texans 100% knew the next DC of our team was Frank Bush, they would have said so by now. They are waiting to see if they can get someone better that is maybe unavailable for interview and if they can't, then theyl'l probably promote FrankI was just watching ABC 13 news and they were showing a segment on the Shriners game in Houston. Why would I bring this up?
Well write in the middle of reading comments in this thread on my iphone, I looked up a the tv and saw some coaches watching the practice today. Good old Kubiak was in the middle with his offensive coordinator, Kyle Shanahan to his left and you guesses it... Frank Bush to his right.
Am I reading to much into it?
So then, Bush is like a Quality Control guy over the defense. He ensures that Kubiak's vision is carried out? Sort of like Robert Duvall's character in the Godfather movies?I am not as sure that coordiantors (on either side) get the right to hire their guys as blindly as some of you suggest. Especially when you are coming into a situation where the entire (both sides) coaching staff was not jettisonned. My other issue, is which candidate has such cloat that he can make that demand? Greg Williams? Last couple of years not that good. Mike Nolan? maybe. Any of the young guys like McDermit? don't think so.
My sense is that like many issues there is a lot more gray as what is "normal" or "usual" in regard to who gets say over a hiring. Pretty sure, Kubiak is taking the last say in hiring even if he get recommndations from the DC. I am sure that a part of the interview process is are familiar with _____ and maybe even a meeting with _____? Is there any reason you don't see being able to work with _____? etc.
I agree with this, in fact I think the days of a OC or DC being allowed to jettison any entire staff to bring his guys is are over, if they ever truly existed in the first place. GMs and team owners are starting to catch on to the fact that one of the commodities they have they most control over is their coaching staffs. They can being in the young guys who they think will be successful, bring him along, pay him whatever they need to keep him (unlike players in the salary cap era), deny other teams access to him until he is ready to coach for their team. I think Kyle Shannanon may be the perfect example of this on the Texans.I am not as sure that coordiantors (on either side) get the right to hire their guys as blindly as some of you suggest. Especially when you are coming into a situation where the entire (both sides) coaching staff was not jettisonned. My other issue, is which candidate has such cloat that he can make that demand? Greg Williams? Last couple of years not that good. Mike Nolan? maybe. Any of the young guys like McDermit? don't think so.
My sense is that like many issues there is a lot more gray as what is "normal" or "usual" in regard to who gets say over a hiring. Pretty sure, Kubiak is taking the last say in hiring even if he get recommndations from the DC. I am sure that a part of the interview process is are familiar with _____ and maybe even a meeting with _____? Is there any reason you don't see being able to work with _____? etc.
Most DCs don't have enough of their guys to fill an entire staff when they take over a new position.I agree with this, in fact I think the days of a OC or DC being allowed to jettison any entire staff to bring his guys is are over, if they ever truly existed in the first place. GMs and team owners are starting to catch on to the fact that one of the commodities they have they most control over is their coaching staffs. They can being in the young guys who they think will be successful, bring him along, pay him whatever they need to keep him (unlike players in the salary cap era), deny other teams access to him until he is ready to coach for their team. I think Kyle Shannanon may be the perfect example of this on the Texans.
My answer to that question would be "I don't know (but I wish I did)". The thing about the Texans is that if they go with Frank Bush in the end and if every move they make every single step of the way to that result seems to indicate that they were going to hire Frank Bush all along then they'll still stand up in front of the world and tell everyone that they didn't have their minds made up all along.Hmmm...I can buy that.
The question, posed by bckey, is: Why don't they just go ahead and announce it? What's the point of hiding it? What in the world do we gain by playing it in this manner?
Is Frank Bush going to be some sort of Defense Quality Control Director or something...the guy who sits with folded arms and keeps watch over the defense?
Can't wait for this to wrap up. This is like watching "24." LOL.
This must be a McNair thing. We know he won't even LOOK at players who have undesirable character/behavior. We know he prides himself on having a squeaky clean organization. There must be clear orders, all the way down, that the attitude to have is one of complete order. It's the business man attitude: "We do our jobs, we produce a product, you buy it, everyone is happy now. No need to interest yourselves in the process of producing the product. You'll learn what you need to know, when you need to know it. Now, run along and play with your friends."My answer to that question would be "I don't know (but I wish I did)". The thing about the Texans is that if they go with Frank Bush in the end and if every move they make every single step of the way to that result seems to indicate that they were going to hire Frank Bush all along then they'll still stand up in front of the world and tell everyone that they didn't have their minds made up all along.
When you ask "Why go through all of that?" I can't answer you because I'm asking the same question all the time about the Texans. They do a lot of junk like this and it always leaves me scratching my head and thinking "Why play everything like it's triple-top-secret? You look stupid doing that" They've always done things this way and I guess it's cultural with them at this point.
To be fair, his vet Surtain went down and he had 2 rookie starters and a 3rd rookie playing nickel/dime.Here's a decent write up on his coaching background. I'm impressed that Baby Gibbs has been affiliated with so many successful pass defenses, although its on the Chiefs webpage and obviously skewed to only his accomplishments. Note that his secondary ranked 28th this year in yards allowed, so I would take the articles bias with a grain of salt.
The connection is that if the Texans are considering a "name" DC - they wouldn't be staffing the defensive coaches for him. A name DC is going to want to hire their own staff - or at least most of it.
I'm with AT. The "fact" that any decent DC is going to want to hire his own staff seems unproven and overplayed. Remember Kubiak is used to Shanahan exercising GM control and basically having final say but for the owner. He has close to set up that situation here as Kubiak looks to have more control than Smith.I am not as sure that coordiantors (on either side) get the right to hire their guys as blindly as some of you suggest. Especially when you are coming into a situation where the entire (both sides) coaching staff was not jettisonned.
I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what the hype and hoopla is about Frank Bush any way. Why do so many people want this guy to become the Texans coordinator? You're right he was part of Smith's staff, and he could also have part of the blame as well. I don't want Bush. I want some young new blood that is hungry and wants to bring a fiesty defensive game plan.What interviews have been announced or covered for the position of Defensive Coordinator thus far?
Crickets are chirping. It's gotta' be a guy on one of the remaining four teams, and if that guy won't come over...it's Plan B.
I won't care if it's Plan B. I'm in the mood for ABRS (Anybody But Richard Smith). And I think Bush was playing a part in those games when we are all on the gameday thread saying "What the hell is THAT? A blitz? Richard must have stepped out for a bathroom break."
Maybe some people feel that if he had the reigns, he would coach like he played.I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what the hype and hoopla is about Frank Bush any way. Why do so many people want this guy to become the Texans coordinator? You're right he was part of Smith's staff, and he could also have part of the blame as well. I don't want Bush. I want some young new blood that is hungry and wants to bring a fiesty defensive game plan.
Who's to say Bush isn't and wouldn't?I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what the hype and hoopla is about Frank Bush any way. Why do so many people want this guy to become the Texans coordinator? You're right he was part of Smith's staff, and he could also have part of the blame as well. I don't want Bush. I want some young new blood that is hungry and wants to bring a fiesty defensive game plan.
I might be a little off-base here, but I don't see much of a problem with promoting Bush. Just because he worked under a crappy DC doesn't mean he'd be an automatic failure at the position. I'd have to guess he has his own defensive philosophy he'd be installing.
I'm in the sit back and watch how things play out mode, but I wouldn't be upset if the DC position went to Bush. He's never had his own product on the field so I don't see how we can judge at this point.
I would assume if the Texans are considering Bush after him having been here a while it is because they believe his philosophy would be different than Smith's. I don't see what is the presumption against him. That isn't the same thing as hoping he gets the gig. Frankly, I would like to see McDermott, but I don't get all the anti-Bush sentiment.I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what the hype and hoopla is about Frank Bush any way. Why do so many people want this guy to become the Texans coordinator? You're right he was part of Smith's staff, and he could also have part of the blame as well. I don't want Bush. I want some young new blood that is hungry and wants to bring a fiesty defensive game plan.
I just don't see what the sentiment is for to make him the guy. I don't have a whole lot of negatives that I can put on him either. I'm just trying to see what all the positives are and why people think he would be such a good choice for this team as the coordinator. What is his great strength as a coach? Why do certain people feel he has so much potential to make this a great defense? And for those who think that, could they tell me what they think he did this year to make his part of the defense successful. Again, it isn't some big Anti/Bush thing, I just can't see or find anything to get excited for regarding him as a candidate.I would assume if the Texans are considering Bush after him having been here a while it is because they believe his philosophy would be different than Smith's. I don't see what is the presumption against him. That isn't the same thing as hoping he gets the gig. Frankly, I would like to see McDermott, but I don't get all the anti-Bush sentiment.
I've seen precious little hype and hoopla relating to Bush - not much on this board, and less than none from the Texans. While I've seen folks say he's gonna be the guy, and that they could live with him, I've seen very few folks say he's who they want as their first choice.I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what the hype and hoopla is about Frank Bush any way. Why do so many people want this guy to become the Texans coordinator? You're right he was part of Smith's staff, and he could also have part of the blame as well. I don't want Bush. I want some young new blood that is hungry and wants to bring a fiesty defensive game plan.