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That Reeves guy really sucks.
- Thread starter TEXANRED
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Wolf
100% Texan
You could almost make a case for the title of the thread saying
"That Richard Smith guy really sucks"
I am joking of course but honestly I feel the names could be exchangeable. However Reeves is still coachable (getting the head turned and such) ... RS .. definitely not coachable or playable
"That Richard Smith guy really sucks"
I am joking of course but honestly I feel the names could be exchangeable. However Reeves is still coachable (getting the head turned and such) ... RS .. definitely not coachable or playable
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I take offense to that.
?!?!? Do you honestly think Reeves is having a solid season.....WOW. LOL I guess Jason David had a solid season for the Saints last year too huh.
I'm not in love with Bennett, but your kidding yourself if you think Reeves is better than him. (At best...and I mean at best, Reeves sucks just as much as he does, but the truth is Bennett is better than him with better ball skills) Bennett got benched early when he struggled instead of Reeves, because he's just a second year player and not the "high priced FA" that was brought in. Just like NOLA last season, Kubiak and company are still trying to justify the money they spent and are still trying to save face. Again.....Jacques Reeves is Jason David jr.
Go ahead and pull up Jason David's stats from last year and compare them to Jacques Reeve's from this season....they freaking mirror eachother.
Also if you think Bennett can't cover.....what the heck do you call what Jacques Reeves has been doing out there this season? Seriously.
I remember going over to the Saints board last season and they would say the same thing that we've been saying all year..........."I've never seen a guy get in position and still always give up the play". or "Wow they're just picking on him.....he's a first down machine".....or how about the classic "first down...guess who". If the guy was near as good as your trying to make him out to be, teams wouldn't target him on almost every throw. Peyton and Reeves were on a first name basis.....hell just about every QB has been on a first name basis with Jacques.
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PapaL
Loose Screw
There's a difference between asking Farve to take the easy throw and not the difficult advanced throw all time versus asking Reeves to make a basic play.
Theories are like buttholes - everyone has one and some stink more than others.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
He's not terrible in the sense that he just can't play in any capacity; i think he'd be a very good nickel, dime CB. He's just not a starter & certainly not worth the money we're paying him.
Look at the way the browns went after him instead of a still recovering Dunta. That says it all & it's not a good look for a starting CB unless the guy opposite u is deion sanders or champ bailey.
Look at the way the browns went after him instead of a still recovering Dunta. That says it all & it's not a good look for a starting CB unless the guy opposite u is deion sanders or champ bailey.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Well, since basically the Texans gain more by losing than winning at this point, I guess Reeves is "sucking" by playing more
Why the guy couldn't figure out coverage when there were playoff chances is beyond me
Why the guy couldn't figure out coverage when there were playoff chances is beyond me
I'm amazed that there are people on here arguing that Reeves is a good CB. I'll admit today was, on the whole, not a bad day, but only because the good plays he made made up for the bad ones. There's a reason he's thrown at over and over and over again, and it's not because he's so incredibly sneaky that he tricks the opponent into thinking that their receiver is poorly covered when he actually is covered well. Even the announcers noted that Dunta Robinson was barely thrown at today - obviously he was providing better coverage than Reeves today.
As for Reeves' interceptions, he should be given credit for being in a decent position and catching the ball when it arrived, but my memory of all three of this year's interceptions were that they were due to poor throws, rather than him making a good play on the ball. Weaver's interception today was in the same category (and no one is calling Weaver a good cornerback), while Bennett's today was due to making a play.
Edited to add: Plus, wasn't Reeves the one called for illegal contact on that 3rd and 20 play that ended up as a first down? And the one covering on that 4th and 10 that was converted? Those were a couple of the poor plays that made up for some of his good ones today.
As for Reeves' interceptions, he should be given credit for being in a decent position and catching the ball when it arrived, but my memory of all three of this year's interceptions were that they were due to poor throws, rather than him making a good play on the ball. Weaver's interception today was in the same category (and no one is calling Weaver a good cornerback), while Bennett's today was due to making a play.
Edited to add: Plus, wasn't Reeves the one called for illegal contact on that 3rd and 20 play that ended up as a first down? And the one covering on that 4th and 10 that was converted? Those were a couple of the poor plays that made up for some of his good ones today.
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Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
This is what a Jacques Reeves interception looks like http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c2259d Just like today's INT.
The other INT was just a horrible thrown ball that went straight to him.....
I mean kudos to you Reeves for catching the ball when it lands flat in your lap (Texas could've used you at the end of the TT game), but that's not going to happen often in the NFL. So how about you actually make a play on the damn ball, instead of being a member of the chain crew.
Oh BTW.....Gus Frerotte after that pick went on to beat Reeves like a drum for pretty much the entire afternoon....hell he had him beat on that play if Berrian doesn't muff the catch up.
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Reeves SUCKS and he didnt have a good day. You either drank too much or its been so long since youve seen a real CB you have forgotten what one looks like. Braylon Edwards was more responsible for us winning that game than our defense was. That guy should be run out of town with tar and feathers. If he had caught just half of the passes that he dropped today we most likely loose this game. Its great to be optimistic but lets keep it realistic.
hookinreds
Veteran
Ball watcher??? Are you talking about the same CB? If it's one thing that Reeves is not, is a ball watcher. Harcore Texan and I were talking about how this was the first time we actually saw him even try to find the ball. On the deep ball Edwards caught, he didn't check up for the ball, but he was definitly looking back for it, something I haven't seen him do all season. He's been in a WR grill a number of times and had a ball be caught under his arm, or behind his head becuase he had no clue where the ball was... but to day, that changed a little.
Yes a player can be taught how to use his natural abilities. Reeves' knock has always been that he could cover, but couldn't find the ball...if someone could help him figure that out, they would have a CB. The Cowgirls couldn't get it done and we picked him up...I gagged, becuase there was no one in the league that seemed to get burned more than Reeves, and I gave my Cowgirl friends hell for it...then we pick him up???? He's been as useful as tits on a bull so far this season, but had an ok game today.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Look at this article I found just by typing "Jacques Reeves sucks" into a search engine....
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/story/2008/3/8/201047/9579
Now ask yourself if you've seen that before
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/story/2008/3/8/201047/9579
Now ask yourself if you've seen that before
Credit where credit is due, his stat sheet shows a forced fumble and an INT. But watch the replay. He hit Lewis - ball still firmly in place. Weaver hit Lewis and caused the Sage - err - fumble. The stat people gave Reeves credit for Weaver's forced fumble.
Also look at the INT. He didn't have great position and make the Sage - err - interception. The receiver dropped the ball on his own with no help from Reeves. As the ball was falling to the ground Reeves said "hey lookie!" and jumped under the ball and caught it just before it hit the ground. So good catch - not good defense.
He did break up the one pass in the endzone. But let's face facts. Our best defensive back was Braylon Edwards.
TimeKiller
Guest
He might make a play now and again but he's the target, so every now and then isn't enough.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
I have a problem with this. On the replay of that particular instance he did not even put a hand in Braylons face. It was literally a swipe at the ball that was about 3 inches too short, so basically he wiffed. Braylon Edwards broke up that pass play in the endzone as well as plenty of 1st down that the Browns could've used.
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
Yep, that Reeves guy really does suck. If he hadnt gotten lucky on a few plays this year there would be no chance that this sarcastic thread would ever had been made.
I dont see him really getting any better than he is either becuase he has about the worst ball skills of any pro CB that I have ever seen. It sucks because he is a complete waste of coverage skills.
I dont see him really getting any better than he is either becuase he has about the worst ball skills of any pro CB that I have ever seen. It sucks because he is a complete waste of coverage skills.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
naw..Faggins has him beat in that category...
Vinnie
with an I E
Au contraire mon fraire! If you look close you can see the tiny rear view mirrors they put on his helmet that LZ has been talking about.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
I cannot enjoy my pumpkin pie because I practically choke on it from laughing so hard after reading comments like this.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Molden played well...I'm not sure he's not better than Reeves
hookinreds
Veteran
"Balls are closer to your receivers hands than they appear"
hookinreds
Veteran
That's hillarious!
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
Wolf
100% Texan
I am sure this was a quote and we need a link
.was it hobie,Blazing Arrow or VY that stated that first
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Look at this article I found just by typing "Jacques Reeves sucks" into a search engine....
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/story/2008/3/8/201047/9579
Now ask yourself if you've seen that before
So I make a comment about some being closet Boy fans and you say you take offense to that when I was not even referencing you. Then you go off and quote a comment from a Cowboy page.
Maybe my theory is correct. Especially sense that does not sound like Reeves at all in our system. He has pretty much stuck to the guys hip.
I will be the first to admit that he has a problem running and looking for the ball. This was the first game in which he was doing that. Which is a good thing. It means that he cares about his game and is working to improve it.
As much as you guys bust on Reeves for Edwards dropping the ball and making him look good I haven't read one thing about how DRob fell down, again, and the only reason his receiver didn't score was that he dropped the ball.
No ones game is perfect, but Reeves is a good, solid player.
I just don't see the reason for all the hating.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
No your theory is not correct......I know it's the popular thing to "hate the cowboys" around here (and I hate that team too), but I don't personally hate their fans or discredit what they have to say about their own players, that's just dumb.
They know their team and Jacques Reeves better than anyone, we might as well listen to what they have to say. To ignore them would be like all the delusional Panther fans that ignored us and just tried to stay in denial when we all tried to warn them about the suckage that was David Carr......but like us with Jacques Reeves, they eventually found out for themselves. I also don't understand this "he didn't fit their system" stuff.......because the discription in that article of him is the same exact same crap he's doing here.....I guess he doesn't fit this system either. That argument is actually very funny to me, because that's exactly what Panther fans were saying about David Carr..."Carr didn't stand a chance in Houston, he didn't fit Kubiak's system...yada yada yada
I also don't understand why or how you can justify Reeves' poor play, by trying to compare him to a player that's coming off a severe career threatening injury, who just now get reinserted back into the starting lineup....that doesn't even make sense. Robinson ripped up his knee and tore his hammy completely off the bone last year (and he's still better than Jacques).....what's Reeves excuse?
TEXANRED
Texan-American
No your theory is not correct......I know it's the popular thing to "hate the cowboys" around here (and I hate that team too), but I don't personally hate their fans or discredit what they have to say about their own players, that's just dumb.
They know their team and Jacques Reeves better than anyone, we might as well listen to what they have to say. To ignore them would be like all the delusional Panther fans that ignored us and just tried to stay in denial when we all tried to warn them about the suckage that was David Carr......but like us with Jacques Reeves, they eventually found out for themselves. I also don't understand this "he didn't fit their system" stuff.......because the discription in that article of him is the same exact same crap he's doing here.....I guess he doesn't fit this system either. That argument is actually very funny to me, because that's exactly what Panther fans were saying about David Carr..."Carr didn't stand a chance in Houston, he didn't fit Kubiak's system...yada yada yada
Reeves has played much better in our system than in Dallas'. Thats undeniable. I am not saying that he has played mistake free but he is a solid #2 CB. Reeves could be a starter on 30 other teams in this league.
He is tough, he is fast, he plays physical, and he makes plays on the ball. What more do you want?
Carr Bombed said:
Falling down is nothing new for DRob. The man has been getting tripped up on his own shadow from day one. Doesnt make him a bad player, just means that he has a hole in his game.
DRob has made just as many bone headed bad plays that Reeves has. The freshest one is last years Titan game when he gave up the long pass that set up the Titans winning field goal with second left.
It happens. But what makes Reeves and DRob good CB's is that abililty to bounce back and atone for there mistakes. That is something that Bennett and Faggins lack in there game. They get beat and then sulk. Like a pitcher in baseball, a CB must have a short memory as well.
Hell, I have watched Samuels get burned many times this year for the Eagles but I would still have him on our team.
All I can say is WOW! Do you drink alot when you watch the games?
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
who doesn't? it's the texans for crying out loud.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
First of all......Reeves hasn't played any better here than he did in Dallas, he's the same player. As far as being "tough, fast, and makes plays on the ball"
He's fast, is a decent tackler, and makes no play on the ball (that's his whole problem) In other words he's a more athletic Faggins.
As far as "Dunta falling down his whole career" that is a complete farce and completely untrue......Dunta at 85% (where is probably where he's at right now) is 2x the corner that Reeves is. Remind me again...who was the corner the Browns were picking on.....they barely even threw at Dunta. Hell if Dunta didn't even get hurt Reeves wouldn't even be here.
As far as that "catch that Dunta gave up", that was a perfect throw down field by Collins which is hard to stop, but none the less that was about one of the very very few bad plays Dunta made last season...he was breaking up passes left and right before he got hurt. As far as "boneheaded plays made", Jacques Reeves has made more boneheaded plays this season alone than Dunta has probably made in his entire career.....Reeves is the "human first down marker".
I also wouldn't bag on Bennett too much, because even Bennett as a rookie was twice the corner that Reeves has been this season which is why it's rediculous you're trying to compare Reeves to Asante Samuels.
Again like I said earlier in this thread.....if Reeves was as good as you say he is, teams wouldn't target him on almost every passing play. There's periods during a game where he's taken to the woodshed and beaten left and right (see colts game and Vikings game....hell the majority of games).
Reeves is the kind of corner that can only start on a handful of teams and the sad thing is with the uncertainty we had with Dunta's injury during the offseason this was one of them. He was nothing, but a desperate signing and if this team wants to be a future playoff team he will not be part of their future plans.....alteast not in the starting rotation. In a ideal situation Reeves is nothing, but a nickel back/pinch starter...that's it. He's not a every down caliber starting corner back, just because he gets paid like one, that still doesn't make him one.
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TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I agree completely with Carr Bombed's post above.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Its crazy to think ones love or hate of a player can change the perception of a players performance. Meaning, DRob has always fallen down, jumped the wrong route, or been caught out of position. Always. He was having an above average season when he got hurt but before that he still gave up plays. Now he would hit the snot out of the receiver when he caught the ball, but they still caught the ball.
I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree on both Bennett and Reeves cus any guy who can't beet out Faggins for a starting spot is nothing more than hot garbage. Bennett had one half season that was good but hasn't done anything before or since.
P
Polo
Guest
LOL@ Reeves being "physical"...
I've seen him get bumped around more than a prostitute on Friday night...
I've seen him get bumped around more than a prostitute on Friday night...
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
I noticed on one of his interceptions that he just got lucky...he got beat and the WR let the ball go through his hands into Reeves'
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Both Jacques Reeves and Keanu Reeves suck.
Yet all he does is star in box office hits! Speed, Point Break, Bill and Ted, The Matrix, ect, ect, ect.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
First of all I don't "love or hate" any player...I either like or dislike their play on the field and the only one with a tilted perception is you, because you honestly in your heart think that Reeves is a solid corner and starter worthy in this league.
Also what's funny is how you try to bash Dunta's play and knock him down to Reeves level just to justify Reeves play on the field. Jacques Reeves is NOT Dunta. Dunta (when healthy) is a starting caliber corner in this league...Reeves is not. Dunta didn't get singled out and picked on every week last year...(Hell he didn't even get singled out last week when teams new it was his first time back starting)....Reeves does. Dunta doesn't fall down while he covers receivers either. It probably happened one time and then your going to throw out the.......Dunta always falls down crap.
People knock Dunta, because he's not a big INT guy....never really has been, but last year before he got hurt he stepped up his play and was shutting receivers down....he was actually in position, saw the ball, and knocked the ball away. It got to the point where teams stopped challenging Robinson. This was the whole reason why Faggins got expossed last season, teams didn't have much success going at Dunta then everybody started throwing to Petey's side of the field and he couldn't stop anything.....he was being picked on. Guess what, Jacques Reeves is this year's Petey. He's not Dunta, doesn't even compare to Dunta, and I'll take a gimpy legged Dunta over the "Human first down marker".
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TEXANRED
Texan-American
The funny thing about the Texans with Reeves is that right now the Texans are 13th in the league in pass defense. Last year the Cowboys finished 13th in pass defense. The previous years with DRob teamed up with everyone from Glen to Faggins has finished 24th, 24th, 22nd, and 25th in pass defense.
Am I saying that Reeves is better than DRob? No. Am I saying that a secondary with DRob and Reeves is a strong starting line up? Yes I am.
Last week was the first week in which DRob started and got paired with Reeves and we gave up 6 points.
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
Oh please, that was about 55% due to inept QB play, 30% Braylon Edwards dropping passes, 13% presssure and 2% CB play. That argument is totally weak sauce, and you darn well know it. Only one of Edwards drops had anything to do with Reeves coverage, and with the way Edwards was playing that game Im not so sure he would have come down with it anyway.
The fact about Reeves is that he is better than Faggins in probably all aspects of the game except his ball skills. When he is locked on a receiver, he never turns around. There is no denying that he is a liability in deep coverage because of this. He also has serious issues recognizing the slant. He is caught out of position 99% of the time.
I will say this, I want to see Bennett for the majority of the game on Monday night because I have a feeling with him and Dunta we will see even less passing production from the Jags than we saw from the Browns with those two in the game.
Goatcheese
Texan
Edwards got seperation from Reeves all day, and then promptly dropped another 10 points minimum.
It's the same reason the Texans D only gave up field goals in the first half vs the Colts. Unforced drops. They caught those passes in the second half and scored at will.
Don't mistake your opponent playing poorly, for your defense playing well.
Reeves should be moved to the nickel and never cover a #1 reciever again.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Edwards got seperation from Reeves all day, and then promptly dropped another 10 points minimum.
It's the same reason the Texans D only gave up field goals in the first half vs the Colts. Unforced drops. They caught those passes in the second half and scored at will.
Don't mistake your opponent playing poorly, for your defense playing well.
Reeves should be moved to the nickel and never cover a #1 reciever again.
I agree with your point overall, but have to point out that Reeves was in position to defend on most if not all his targets. He just hardly ever finds the ball and when he does his body is so contorted he falls down.
If we could build a player by combining the talents of Bennett and Reeves, he'd be unstoppable. Reeves has the speed to hang with darn near any WR and Bennett has the ball skills while lacking real speed.
It's in the past and we got a 'W', but the Browns offense was our best defense.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Both Jacques Reeves and Keanu Reeves suck.
If we sign Keanu Reeves he will be the best QB on the roster.
I remember the Ravens wanted him as their backup QB while he was filming the Replacements (seriously)
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
I agree with your point overall, but have to point out that Reeves was in position to defend on most if not all his targets. He just hardly ever finds the ball and when he does his body is so contorted he falls down.
If we could build a player by combining the talents of Bennett and Reeves, he'd be unstoppable. Reeves has the speed to hang with darn near any WR and Bennett has the ball skills while lacking real speed.
It's in the past and we got a 'W', but the Browns offense was our best defense.
Like I said in my post above. On deep routes downfield Reeves sticks on his guys like glue but thats all for not when you dont turn around. He doesnt look good however when covering slants, in fact he looks terrible.
Bennett while not having Reeves speed doe have very good recovery speed and with the exception of the very fastest guys in the league can stick with them. IMO Bennett does need to be more consistent but he should be getting the majority of the plays at CB#2 for the rest of the season to find that consistency. He is our future.
I used to feel the same way about Chriss Dishman in his first year as you feel about Reeves. And I want to feel that way about Reeves too, but I cant. Dishman would give up big plays just like Reeves but then he would turn right around and make a big play himself and when ever the ball was thrown at him you new there was a chance for a game breaking play. I dont get that feeling at all with Reeves. He looks lost too much and just doesnt attack the ball. There is too many times in a game where i go, who the F was that and it turns out to be him. Even when he makes a good play its not like he jumped a route or (once again) attacked the ball. He doesnt create turnovers he just happens to have some fall his way. Its more like he is the fortunate benificiery of other teams misshaps mostly because he is such a target of the Offense. He seems to make more bad plays than he does good plays in every game I watch. I just dont see him getting any better than he is right now and that worrys me. I hope Im wrong and youre right and he turns out to be our Dishman.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
By definition, if the CB had anything to do with the incomplete pass it is a pass defensed not a drop.