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09 Mock Draft

beerlover

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yeah I know its early but it seems fitting to start looking around the nation for possible upgrades once again. I don't focus too much on who they have Houston selecting more on where players are rated & I think this one does a very good job of placement or pecking order so to speak. you can check it for weekly updates as well-

http://walterfootball.com/draft2009.php

Houston Texans: Myron Rolle, S, Florida State
Basically the Best Player Available formula for a team really hurting for defense. It's not like safety isn't a need, anyway. Poor Texans fans had to watch Ben Roethlisberger and Kerry Collins dissect their stop unit to exact precision this season.
 
Obviously, I am a big FSU fan, but this guy has Myron too high. Myron was the number 1 overall recruit a few years ago, Percy Harvin was number 2, but he has never lived up to the hype. Granted he has been solid, but not a playmaker. Maybe this year will be different, but thus far I haven't seen him make many big plays. He has improved every year. Number 9 would be WAY too high. He is MAYBE a first rounder, and that's a big maybe.

Myron is a fantastic student. He is very smart and Mickey Andrews always talks about his preparation and how good it is.

I watch Myron, Tony Carter, and Everette Brown on defense practically the whole time. During the WF game Myron repeatedly got beat by their TE, luckily Skinner missed on most of the throws.

We'll see how the remainder of the season goes, but I don't think he should be a first rounder.

I've also heard that he wants to go to Oxford, and could forgoe the NFL. He wants to be a road scholar, and he is actually well on his way.
 
well just finished watching the OSU USC upset game & came away dissapointed with that trojan D, the offense not being to far behind.

first start with Rey Maualuga, his reaction time & reads are a step slow not to mention has a hard time locating a small target. Has all the measureables except plays out of control or not smart I don't know which in any case a top 5 pick is too high would much rather have Selvie.

second, Taylor Mays is a very impressive physical athlete as are most USC starters but is raw, unpolished & plays out of control don't know where his head is at either.

third, Brian Cushing seems more like a good fit in space for what the Texans need from the OLB position but I just didn't notice him much at all in the backfield something I need to see in order to sign off drafting him in the 1st rd. for the Houston Texans.

However, Clay Matthews did impress despite getting undercut by undersized Jacquizz Rodgers (ran for 186 yards and two touchdowns) has a natural abilty to live in the backfield decent speed & athletic ability but first & foremost smart. while not a first rd. talent Clay is the kind of player I was hoping for in Adibi. based on what I saw not to mention his pedigree I would grade him a solid 3rd/4th rd. pick. his football background is both impressive & exciting for his dad was Clay Mattews LB Cleveland Browns and Atlanta Falcons from 1978 to 1996. His brother, Kyle, lettered at safety on USC's 2003 national championship team & uncle Bruce, was a 3-year (1980-82) letterman offensive guard at USC who earned All-American honors in 1982 and then played with the Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans from 1983 to 2001. His grandfather, Clay Sr., was on the football, wrestling and swimming teams at Georgia Tech in the 1940s and then played in the NFL with the San Francisco 49ers in the 1950s talk about lineage :play:

Sorry I got a little carried away :user: silly me you can keep scrolling down to also find rds. 2 & 3. no Clay Matthews.
 
beerlover said:
However, Clay Matthews did impress despite getting undercut by undersized Jacquizz Rodgers (ran for 186 yards and two touchdowns) has a natural abilty to live in the backfield decent speed & athletic ability but first & foremost smart. while not a first rd. talent Clay is the kind of player I was hoping for in Adibi. based on what I saw not to mention his pedigree I would grade him a solid 3rd/4th rd. pick. his football background is both impressive & exciting for his dad was Clay Mattews LB Cleveland Browns and Atlanta Falcons from 1978 to 1996. His brother, Kyle, lettered at safety on USC's 2003 national championship team & uncle Bruce, was a 3-year (1980-82) letterman offensive guard at USC who earned All-American honors in 1982 and then played with the Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans from 1983 to 2001. His grandfather, Clay Sr., was on the football, wrestling and swimming teams at Georgia Tech in the 1940s and then played in the NFL with the San Francisco 49ers in the 1950s talk about lineage :play:

Sorry I got a little carried away :user: silly me you can keep scrolling down to also find rds. 2 & 3. no Clay Matthews.
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Mathews really cought my eye also. Just wrote this on another board.
After watching USC get wooped by Oregan State I have officially put Clay Mathews on my watch list. For thise of you who dont know he is the son of former NFL (Cleveland Browns) linebacker Clay Mathews and nephew of Bruce Mathews former Houston Oilere Lineman. Clay Mathews Sr was one of the best to ever play. But that has nothing to do with why i'll be watching him. He was all over the field and made several big plays, even blocked a field goal.
 
mussop said:
Mathews really cought my eye also. Just wrote this on another board.
After watching USC get wooped by Oregan State I have officially put Clay Mathews on my watch list. For thise of you who dont know he is the son of former NFL (Cleveland Browns) linebacker Clay Mathews and nephew of Bruce Mathews former Houston Oilere Lineman. Clay Mathews Sr was one of the best to ever play. But that has nothing to do with why i'll be watching him. He was all over the field and made several big plays, even blocked a field goal.
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NFL DRAFT SCOUT RISER: Matthews might have been overlooked coming into the season -- his NFLbloodlines are not as Bruce (uncle), Clay (grandfather) and Clay, Jr.(father) are former pros -- because scouts focused on his talented teammatesat linebacker. But Matthews' play in the opener -- six tackles, one sack, one forced fumble, two fumble recoveries at Virginia -- opened some eyes. As a stand-up pass rusher, Matthews constantly was in the face of Virginia QB Peter Lalich. He also securely tackled ball carriers in space and took on blocks. This could be the third Clay Matthews to suit up in the NFL. - Chad Reuter, NFLDraftScout.com, The SportsXchange
 
The knock on Maugula has always been his style of play, ie playing out of control at times. He goes "balls to the wall" if you will, but doesn't always read the play before reacting. That fault of his has been documented before unfortunately. Reminds me of Rey Lewis in that aspect as well as his entire game.

Cushing played a very good game yesterday. Beerlover, he should be able to get into the backfield a little more, as he did play DE last year I believe. He has the size and the experience at DE, but maybe he had an off-day, as did the entire team. It's something to watch for as we move along in the season. I still have both of those two USC LBs as first rounders, with out a doubt. Mathews however, caught my attention as well. I would like to watch him more before I project him. I would have like a little more girth, but he had an impressive game and has been playing well all year.
 
Any update on Maualuga's knee?

It didn't look too serious but he never came back in the game...
 
i wouldnt mind brandon spikes to play beside demeco.... he would defently bring an attitude to our D but only thing is character issues but atleast we would actually have a personality
 
Looking like this is going to be a good deep draft for DE's and LB's.

What do you guys think of Briam Orakpo, the DE out of Texas?
 
TEXANRED said:
Looking like this is going to be a good deep draft for DE's and LB's.

What do you guys think of Briam Orakpo, the DE out of Texas?
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I've been high on him for about two years now.

He's always been a solid player, but the new defensive coordinator at Texas is really allowing him to showcase his talents.

Probably a 2nd round talent. Maybe higher by the end of the season...
 
I think we'll have a top ten pick going into the draft unfortunately.

but Rick Smith will pull a great trade down netting us an additional 2nd round pick.

1st: OG Duke Robinson (Oklahoma)
2nd: DE Greg Middleton (Indiana)
2nd: SLB Brandon Spikes (Florida)
3rd: RB James Davis (Clemson)- doubtful he's available
4th: Free Safety
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I think we'll have a top ten pick going into the draft unfortunately.

but Rick Smith will pull a great trade down netting us an additional 2nd round pick.

1st: OG Duke Robinson (Oklahoma)
2nd: DE Greg Middleton (Indiana)
2nd: SLB Brandon Spikes (Florida)
3rd: RB James Davis (Clemson)- doubtful he's available
4th: Free Safety
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I agree with the trade down but I don't think OG will be our first pick. DE and then two OLB's. We will go guard in the 3rd and RB in the 4th.

But hey, I have only been wrong on every single draft selection so far in the last seven years so who knows what we will do.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I think we'll have a top ten pick going into the draft unfortunately.

but Rick Smith will pull a great trade down netting us an additional 2nd round pick.

1st: OG Duke Robinson (Oklahoma)
2nd: DE Greg Middleton (Indiana)
2nd: SLB Brandon Spikes (Florida)
3rd: RB James Davis (Clemson)- doubtful he's available
4th: Free Safety
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I could ride with this one.
 
What about Kevin Matthews, Center out of A&M? I have not been able to stomach most of the Aggie games the last few years so I don't know much about him other than he comes from one hell of a blood line.

Does anyone know if he is a JR or a SR?
 
TEXANRED said:
What about Kevin Matthews, Center out of A&M? I have not been able to stomach most of the Aggie games the last few years so I don't know much about him other than he comes from one hell of a blood line.

Does anyone know if he is a JR or a SR?
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He's probably the best o-lineman A&M has.....but that's not saying much.
 
beerlover said:
Houston Texans: Myron Rolle, S, Florida State
Basically the Best Player Available formula for a team really hurting for defense. It's not like safety isn't a need, anyway. Poor Texans fans had to watch Ben Roethlisberger and Kerry Collins dissect their stop unit to exact precision this season.
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I like the way they edit to stay current. their pick looks even better this week-

Basically the Best Player Available formula for a team really hurting for defense. It's not like safety isn't a need, anyway. Poor Texans fans had to watch Ben Roethlisberger, Kerry Collins and David Garrard dissect their stop unit to exact precision this season. Now, C.C. Brown is out for the year. Houston's defense is a mess.
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next week they can add Peyton Manning to the list.
 
2009 DRAFT PROJECTION http://www.gbnreport.com/

November 12, 2008

*indicates undercalssman

1 Detroit *Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma
2 Kansas City *Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
3 Cincinnati *Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
4 San Francisco *Andre Smith OT Alabama
5 Oakland Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
6 Seattle Michael Oher OT Mississippi
7 St. Louis *Vontae Davis CB Illinois
8 Houston Will Moore DB Missouri
9 Cleveland James Laurinaitis LB Ohio State
10 Green Bay Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
11 San Diego Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
12 New Orleans Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest
13 Jacksonville Rey Maualuga LB Southern California
14 Buffalo *Ciron Black OT LSU
15 Denver *Chris Wells RB Ohio State
16 Miami *Tim Tebow QB Florida
17 Chicago *Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
18 Indianapolis *Sen'Derrick Marks DT Auburn
19 Minnesota Brian Orakpo DE Texas
20 Detroit (from Dallas) *George Selvie DE South Florida
21 Philadelphia *Taylor Mays FS Southern California
22 New York Jets *LeSean McCoy RB Pittsburgh
23 Tampa Bay *Percy Harvin WR Florida
24 Atlanta Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech
25 New England *Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
26 Washington Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma
27 Arizona Brian Cushing LB Southern California
28 Baltimore Mike Mickens CB Cincinnati
29 Pittsburgh Alex Mack C California
30 Philadelphia (from Carolina) Jason Smith OT Baylor
31 New York Giants *Brandon Spikes LB Florida
32 Tennessee B.J. Raji DT Boston College
 
I don't think Moore is a top 10 talent.

Would much rather have Orakpo there or trade back and get Mays, Moore, or a DE later in the round.
 
I think we need to address our pass rush stuation if Michael Johnson(6-7, 270, 4.6 forty) is available then we need to take him he is a absolute FREAK OF NATURE him and mario togther would be an absolute nightmare. He can also be a linebacker. We can go about the free agency and pick up a few key free agents.
 
TexansFan33 said:
I think we need to address our pass rush stuation if Michael Johnson(6-7, 270, 4.6 forty) is available then we need to take him he is a absolute FREAK OF NATURE him and mario togther would be an absolute nightmare. He can also be a linebacker. We can go about the free agency and pick up a few key free agents.
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Michael Johnson has been a freak of nature that has never done a damn thing on the field.

Orakpo may be a bigger freak and is actually a football player. I'm not a Longhorns fan but I'd take the Rak any day
 
I think come draft day the Texans will pick around 5-7 and believe that if we don't get Orakpo (much better player than Michael Johnson) then we should trade down to the upper/mid 20's and take Alex Mack. We should be able to pick up an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick from the trade down and can then fill lots of our holes with good players.
 
kastofsna said:
ya i'll be fine with Selvie
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George Selvie DE South Florida

The guy has great big huge hands....very long arms....and is a very articulate young man, A "Texans " player fur shure. But 255 is 255. He started out as a 215 pound center. His body growth has hit it's celling. If they draft him fine. But don't cry when he is getting rolled on rushing plays. Gonna have to have someone rotating with the guy.
 
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Every time I see Mr. Moore he is bouncing off of a tackle. One thing our Dbs are supposed to be able to do is tackle. The Wr's and Rb's block and the DBs tackle.
That's the first thing. If they can't, you scratch them off our board.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I think come draft day the Texans will pick around 5-7 and believe that if we don't get Orakpo (much better player than Michael Johnson) then we should trade down to the upper/mid 20's and take Alex Mack. We should be able to pick up an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick from the trade down and can then fill lots of our holes with good players.
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If we came out of the first round with Alex Mack and an extra 2nd I would be jumping for joy.
 
threetoedpete said:
Every time I see Mr. Moore he is bouncing off of a tackle. One thing our Dbs are supposed to be able to do is tackle. The Wr's and Rb's block and the DBs tackle.
That's the first thing. If they can't, you scratch them off our board.
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Put me is the "Moore is overrated" group.
 
beerlover said:
yeah I know its early but it seems fitting to start looking around the nation for possible upgrades once again. I don't focus too much on who they have Houston selecting more on where players are rated & I think this one does a very good job of placement or pecking order so to speak. you can check it for weekly updates as well-

http://walterfootball.com/draft2009.php

Houston Texans: Myron Rolle, S, Florida State
Basically the Best Player Available formula for a team really hurting for defense. It's not like safety isn't a need, anyway. Poor Texans fans had to watch Ben Roethlisberger and Kerry Collins dissect their stop unit to exact precision this season.
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He's a Rhodes Scholar now and will go to oxford to study next year. Might not enter the draft. Man, that is impressive. That should give him an advantage if he enters the draft. Teams want smart Players.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/783693.html
 
stingray said:
He's a Rhodes Scholar now and will go to oxford to study next year. Might not enter the draft. Man, that is impressive. That should give him an advantage if he enters the draft. Teams want smart Players.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/783693.html
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How long is he going to be out of football due to going to Oxford? .... Teams want smart players but being away from the game for an extended period of time takes its toll in many a way. Teams may be skeptical after a 2-3 year absense.
 
Corrosion said:
How long is he going to be out of football due to going to Oxford? .... Teams want smart players but being away from the game for an extended period of time takes its toll in many a way. Teams may be skeptical after a 2-3 year absense.
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I meant if he enters the draft next year and forgoes his scholarship. Yeah, you are correct, if he doesn't play for some years, than he will drop if he tries to comeback.
 
I'd bet that Myron never plays in the NFL. He's studying stem cell research. There are other things besides playing football for him to be doing.
 
http://www.gbnreport.com/2009projection.html

1 Detroit Sam Bradford QB RSO Oklahoma

2 Cincinnati Michael Crabtree WR RSO Texas Tech

3T St. Louis Andre Smith OT JR Alabama

4T Kansas City Brian Orakpo DE SR Texas

5T Seattle Michael Oher OT SR Mississippi

6 Oakland Malcolm Jenkins CB SR Ohio State

7 San Francisco Matthew Stafford QB JR Georgia

8 San Diego Rey Maualuga LB SR Southern California

9 Jacksonville Jeremy Maclin WR RSO Missouri

10 Cleveland Chris Wells RB JR Ohio State

11 Green Bay Aaron Curry LB SR Wake Forest

12 Houston Will Moore FS SR Missouri

13 Buffalo Eugene Monroe OT SR Virginia

14 Chicago Vontae Davis CB JR Illinois

15 New Orleans Taylor Mays FS JR Southern California

16 Philadelphia Duke Robinson OG SR Oklahoma

17 Miami Terrence Cody DT JR Alabama

18 New England Knowshon Moreno RB RSO Georgia

19 Washington George Selvie DE JR South Florida

20 Denver James Laurinaitis LB SR Ohio State

21 Arizona Michael Johnson DE SR Georgia Tech

22 Minnesota Tim Tebow QB JR Florida

23 Detroit (from Dallas) Alphonso Smith CB SR Wake Forest

24 New York Jets Tyson Jackson DE SR LSU

25 Atlanta B.J. Raji DT SR Boston College

26 Indianapolis Sen'Derrick Marks DT JR Auburn

27 Baltimore D.J. Moore CB JR Vanderbilt

28 Tampa Bay Jermaine Gresham TE JR Oklahoma

29 Philadelphia (from Carolina) Darrius Heyward-Bey WR JR Maryland

30 Pittsburgh Jason Smith OT SR Baylor

31 Tennessee Greg Hardy DE JR Mississippi

32 New York Giants Brian Cushing LB SR Southern California

I like this early mock for the Texans both with selection (William Moore FS Missouri) & who will demand incoming trade offers (Eugene Monroe OT Virginia). For instance it would make sense for Detroit to use their 2nd pick of the 1st rd. (aquired from Cowboys for Roy Williams) with a 2nd rd. pick to move up for Monroe & provide protection for #1 overall pick Bradford. that would leave Houston with the 23rd overall selection & the 33rd overall pick. #12 pick = 1200 23rd =760 + 33rd =580 total = 1340 vs. 1200 which is made good (#80 = 190) with Philly, who covet TE Jermaine Gresham. hauling in another 2nd plus 3rd to hand back to Detroit (not Texans pick).

end result you can select Moore & be done with it or get more by trading down #29 (from Philadelphia) OLB Brian Cushing #33 (from Detroit)DE George Selvie #48 (from Philadephia) DT Jerry Peria. plus Texans keep their own 2nd Center Antoine Caldwell, Alabama & 3rd rd. pick RB James Davis, Clemson. not a bad haul if I must so myself.....replacement for Greenwood who has length & can cover, new starting DE with elite pass rushing skills, tough, pocket pushing DT next to Amobi, athletic/versatile O-lineman that can start @ Center or Guard killing two birds with one stone & power running back between the tackles to help balance the ground game.
 
bah007 said:
I will be very surprised if William Moore is chosen before Taylor Mays.
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Have not watched Taylor Mays since USC Trojans got :whip: in Corvallis, has he improved his bone headed play? stupid penaltys, under-achieving natural talent. Texans don't need to draft based on potential they need to draft smart, dedicated football players who make consistant plays. his attitude or apptitude along with moral fiber & character are all reasons why he is not a top 10 lock. of course he has the Rose Bowl, all-star game, combine & personel workouts to change scouts minds.
 
beerlover said:
Have not watched Taylor Mays since USC Trojans got :whip: in Corvallis, has he improved his bone headed play? stupid penaltys, under-achieving natural talent. Texans don't need to draft based on potential they need to draft smart, dedicated football players who make consistant plays. his attitude or apptitude along with moral fiber & character are all reasons why he is not a top 10 lock. of course he has the Rose Bowl, all-star game, combine & personel workouts to change scouts minds.
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I wasn't speaking about the Texans specifically, because I don't think we will go safety in round one.

Mays has played better as the season has progressed, but yes, he is still not playing up to the level he could/should be.

I think Moore is very overrated. Most of the CBs in this draft class wrap up on tackles better than he does.
 
I don't like Moore at all. He just doesn't tackle very well. I gotta feeling after the GMs and coaches watch the tapes he's going to fall off. One Phillip Buchanon was enough for me, thank you very much. Mays is such a physical guy they just might be tempted. I gotta feeling we're going with who we're going with because Kubes and Rick Smith want it that way. They aren't going to bust the cap with a saftey unless they believe he's the second coming of Dennis Smith.

If you can make six to seven figures bing an Einstein, why would you do to your body what NFL players have do to it ? Rolle just isn't smart, he's off the charts smart.
 
I dont see us taking a FS in the first. We really need a playmaker OLB to go with Ryans and Adibi. I like Diles, but he should be our utility back up.
 
Corrosion said:
How long is he going to be out of football due to going to Oxford? .... Teams want smart players but being away from the game for an extended period of time takes its toll in many a way. Teams may be skeptical after a 2-3 year absense.
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There is the example of David Robinson though. I'm not saying that teams will take that risk, only that it may not be as big of a risk as feared. A guy with the right mentality is worth 1000 of a guy with the right time in the 40.
 
should have clarified the list somewhat but felt @ this time to many changes will occur & several names will move or down. But just check out these names, forget about where they are slotted or to what teams selects them for now, just look at that talent to draw from, starting with the 12th pick (still expect the Texans to win a couple more games which should put them back in the mid to late teens)

13 Buffalo Eugene Monroe OT SR Virginia
14 Chicago Vontae Davis CB JR Illinois
15 New Orleans Taylor Mays FS JR Southern California
16 Philadelphia Duke Robinson OG SR Oklahoma
17 Miami Terrence Cody DT JR Alabama
18 New England Knowshon Moreno RB RSO Georgia
19 Washington George Selvie DE JR South Florida
20 Denver James Laurinaitis LB SR Ohio State
21 Arizona Michael Johnson DE SR Georgia Tech
22 Minnesota Tim Tebow QB JR Florida
23 Detroit (from Dallas) Alphonso Smith CB SR Wake Forest
24 New York Jets Tyson Jackson DE SR LSU
25 Atlanta B.J. Raji DT SR Boston College
26 Indianapolis Sen'Derrick Marks DT JR Auburn
27 Baltimore D.J. Moore CB JR Vanderbilt
28 Tampa Bay Jermaine Gresham TE JR Oklahoma

this is why a trade down or two is such a viable option :cool:
 
For some reason, I just see Michael Johnson and Brian Orakpo being dinged for their size before the draft comes. A lot of people seem to forget about how good players perform on the field once the combine comes around.
 
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It'll never happen, but hey I can dream can't I?
 
I would like to trade down to get Mack or another o-line player if we cant get Orakpo or Mays. I would be happy with that since we could pick up Ellison, who jsut happens to be a freaking beast himself and will be 2-3 round talent. We would then have o-line and FS/SS with our first two picks
 
Mari-OWNED! said:
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It'll never happen, but hey I can dream can't I?
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What makes you think Tebow isn't Vincet Young squared ? Looks like the same guy in a different covering to me....Remeber Troy "Tater tot" Smith and Ginn Jr. ? Easy throwing TDs when your guys are wide open. But doing what most QBs have to do in the NFL....hitting little windows on time and on target.... making reads and going through the progressions....
the load up and hop isn't going to work for little Timmy in the NFL.
 
its nonsense to think Tebow can't make an NFL roster with such a shortage around the league. a system in need of his services will trade up if they feel he is what it takes to run their offense especially with success of rookie QB class this year in the NFL. the Vikings wish he would be their QB could you imagine that backfield :photos:
 
It's not that Tebow has no chance of being an NFL QB, just that it will take him awhile. 3 maybe 4 years I am thinking. We don't really have the luxury of taking a QB first or second round who is going to take 3, 4, or 5 years to come around.

We need impact players right now, specifically on defense.
 
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