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Old 05-30-2014   #1
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This idea that Keenum's already flamed out after eight games of being yo-yoed around in his first year playing never held much basis in reality. Keenum showed more than enough promise under impossible circumstances to warrant a real chance. Keenum still has yet to play even one full game with the Texans' most important offensive player.

Plenty would have been different for Keenum and the Texans if the University of Houston star had Arian Foster in the backfield last season. There's no way Keenum finishes winless as a starter with a healthy Foster for one. That 0-8 easily would have been two to three wins better. At minimum.
Pretty interesting article i do agree with some points for sure. No doubt not having Foster allowed defenses to key in on Keenum more.
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Default Re: Arian foster Gives Case Keenum a real chance.

This man's opinion will always be tainted by his article saying we should have drafted Nick Fairley instead of JJ Watt, and saying we would be sorry for it.
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Default Re: Arian foster Gives Case Keenum a real chance.

Strange title from the "pizza boy JJ Watt" originator...

Does Arian's presence only help Keenum, or all the QBs...?
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Default Re: Arian foster Gives Case Keenum a real chance.

Arian Foster in the backfield or not doesn't change the fact that Keenum couldn't recognize defenses or pressure packages & make the proper adjustments in protection presnap.

That was the single biggest issue for him last season , that's not to say he cant make improvements in that department either but for him to become a real NFL caliber QB he's going to have to make great strides , not just marginal improvement in that aspect of QB play.


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This man's opinion will always be tainted by his article saying we should have drafted Nick Fairley instead of JJ Watt, and saying we would be sorry for it.

It wasn't that he just said we should have taken Fairley over Watt; it was how he said it. He dismissively referred to Watt as Pizza Boy. That is immature and unprofessional, even if you didn't like the Watt pick at the time.

Tom Savage switched schools more than once, and yet, Baldwin dismissively referred to him as "Mr Transfer" and essentially said that he was a weak person who couldn't handle adversity. That's just a bit much.
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Default Re: Arian foster Gives Case Keenum a real chance.

Keenum had to start right away last year. And really was trying to learn the offense. But hopefully he will really be better this year. As he gets to know the offense more.
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Default Re: Arian foster Gives Case Keenum a real chance.

I don't know what to put on Schaub and the rest of the qb's anymore. Someone showed me some clips from last year of this team and there were certain instances where the team just seemed confused.

Case running back and taking massive losses on those sacks is inexcusable, but on some of those sacks it wasn't about case not recognizing it. Our oline simply didn't pick it up.

I don't think kubiak did a good job making adjustments over any time period and I think those chickens came home to roost last season. Lots of confusion out there. Undisciplined play. I have been down on Schaub for a while as a player, but I've also said some of that could have been due to the offense as well. Schaub was no star talent, but I don't think he was a scrub he looked like last year either.

I'm not sure how any of these qb's will perform or if ultimately on OB will field a more disciplined, finely tuned team but I suspect he will.

I say all this to say that I think case has some talent and if he can mentally grasp this offense, and if OB can do his thing case and the other qb's could really surprise. I think the qb battle is going to good. The one guy I worry about is Yates...from a fit standpoint. But hell...he could surprise me too.

I also heard that the texans were trying to move Yates before the draft as well. Fwiw.
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Default Re: Arian foster Gives Case Keenum a real chance.

I'm tired of all these excuses needed for Keenum to be successful. I'm pulling for him to be our starter this year but I'm tired of the fans saying that he needs an OL a RB, etc to succeed. Let's just see what he can do in this new system. He has a chance, now let's see and hope he can overcome the QB battle.
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Default Re: Arian foster Gives Case Keenum a real chance.

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Arian Foster in the backfield or not doesn't change the fact that Keenum couldn't recognize defenses or pressure packages & make the proper adjustments in protection presnap.

That was the single biggest issue for him last season , that's not to say he cant make improvements in that department either but for him to become a real NFL caliber QB he's going to have to make great strides , not just marginal improvement in that aspect of QB play.


Good Luck .....
The strange thing, is that the Texans called protection the same way they did it at A&M (and I'm assuming the same way at UH) in so much as it was done by the center.

It seemed as if Case wasn't on the same page with the OL because he thought the free runner was going to get picked up by someone else, when "everybody" else knew he had to deal with that guy.

Maybe he was calling the protection at UH, I'm just assuming it was handled the same in all the Art Briles' systems.

But yeah, hope he improves in this area big time.
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Default Re: Arian foster Gives Case Keenum a real chance.

Here is a piece by a Texans writer I very much enjoy and respect. Reading this article in retrospect gives a insightful look into the Keenum case, and for maintaining the case for Keenum.

Case Keenum and The Dumbening of the Texans
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Strange title from the "pizza boy JJ Watt" originator...

Does Arian's presence only help Keenum, or all the QBs...?
Helps all QBs but when TJ was QB he had a healthy fosters, only starter we have had at QB who hasnt had foster is keenum thus far.
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...He dismissively referred to Watt as Pizza Boy. That is immature and unprofessional...

Tom Savage switched schools more than once, and yet, Baldwin dismissively referred to him as "Mr Transfer" and essentially said that he was a weak person who couldn't handle adversity...
It's the equivalent of a child saying he's going to "hold my breath until I turn blue"...

The writer is ignorant of sports but seeks attention. I suggest the only way he'll get that attention is if he stands next to Johnny Manziel.
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Helps all QBs but when TJ was QB he had a healthy fosters, only starter we have had at QB who hasnt had foster is keenum thus far.
Hmmm, very true. It's obvious when you slow down and think about it.
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Helps all QBs but when TJ was QB he had a healthy fosters, only starter we have had at QB who hasnt had foster is keenum thus far.
Tate was playing very well prior to the rib injury .... then again towards the end , Keenum has street FA's in the backfield behind him & that O-line was horrible , Wade Smith & Newton in particular.

I have to wonder how much of Brown's mediocre to poor play had to do with having Smith next to him.


That doesn't change the fact that he had problems reading defenses and making adjustments.
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Tate was playing very well prior to the rib injury .... then again towards the end , Keenum has street FA's in the backfield behind him & that O-line was horrible , Wade Smith & Newton in particular.

I have to wonder how much of Brown's mediocre to poor play had to do with having Smith next to him.


That doesn't change the fact that he had problems reading defenses and making adjustments.
With X next to Brown next yr we will find out how bad Wade Smith really was. Brown + X equals being able to convert in the red zone and 3rd and short situations. I'm excited.

All rookie QB's (Which Keenum essentially was) have trouble reading defenses and making adjustments. According to Schaub in another thread the QB's weren't allowed to make many adjustments in last yrs offense.
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I'm tired of all these excuses needed for Keenum to be successful. I'm pulling for him to be our starter this year but I'm tired of the fans saying that he needs an OL a RB, etc to succeed. Let's just see what he can do in this new system. He has a chance, now let's see and hope he can overcome the QB battle.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that most QB's need an OL and/or a RB to really be successful. I want to see the guy with no protection or running game who wins more than he loses. That's guy's going to be spectacular. I'm not saying he doesn't exist but Peyton Manning and Dan Marino don't come around very often and even then they don't win it all without some help.

This year he either seizes the opportunity and takes the starting spot on his own, then runs with it or we gotta keep turning over rocks until we find the guy who does.
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Helps all QBs but when TJ was QB he had a healthy fosters, only starter we have had at QB who hasnt had foster is keenum thus far.

At the same time, TJ didn't have a healthy AJ. Keenum did.


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With X next to Brown next yr we will find out how bad Wade Smith really was. Brown + X equals being able to convert in the red zone and 3rd and short situations. I'm excited.

All rookie QB's (Which Keenum essentially was) have trouble reading defenses and making adjustments. According to Schaub in another thread the QB's weren't allowed to make many adjustments in last yrs offense.
It's funny now that nobody has to cover for anyone else how things are starting to look. Schaub's in Oakland and he's got no incentive to keep his mouth shut about last season. Case and Yates are here under a new regime and they'll stay polite and not point any fingers but even they sound like they're happy to be playing in a different system and starting over. Gary's in Baltimore and I just keep wondering if Joe Flacco, who's already won a Super Bowl is about to get told to play the position the way Gary tells him to.
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True. They are fundamentally different things though. Having Foster means you've got an effective run game which is an alternative to dropping back and throwing the ball. Having AJ means you have another target to throw to but the fear of throwing the ball to AJ isn't going to slow that pass rush down even a bit.
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Tate was playing very well prior to the rib injury ....
Well, Keenum came in for the KC game, right? Foster went down early in the KC game? Trying to remember .... what I do remember is that Tate got slammed in the ribs by Dontari Poe in that KC game (first half or right after halftime, IIRC) and played crappy thereafter. Well, crappy being relative. He's a tough dude. So Keenum had a healthy Tate for a couple quarters maybe. And he did very well.

All that said, I'm pretty done with this discussion. Keenum's getting a shot, TJ's getting a shot, Savage is getting a shot ... I'm a happy man. I'm hoping for Keenum, but want the best man to win. I think most Keenum fans fall into that category, actually. We just tend to respond to the haters that insist he's crap, done, etc.
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