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"Right now I’d still say Case is a little bit ahead of Tom," O'Brien said. "I’d say Tom’s improving. I think Tom’s definitely improving. It’s a battle, it’s definitely a competitive battle, but Case is still slightly ahead of Tom."

That's reflected in the Texans' first depth chart of the season, where Keenum is listed as Ryan Fitzpatrick's backup and Savage third. How they play in the preseason games will be a major factor in where they finish the preseason on the depth chart.

I asked O'Brien if he was 100 percent sure the Texans' backup quarterback will be Keenum or Savage, or if there's a chance he could bring in a different player.

"Right now I see it, as we stand here right now, I’d say one of those two will back up," he said.
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"Sometimes he[Case] has to take advantage of his ability to run around and make plays," O'Brien said. "He did that (Tuesday). He kept a play alive on a fourth-down play at the end of practice, which I thought was a good play. He didn’t end up completing the pass, but he kept the play alive. There’s times when he’s done a good job of using his feet. He’s got decent command of the offense."
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"I think his[Tom's] head’s spinning less," O'Brien said. "I just was looking at it this morning. In 11 practices, he has about 130 reps in 7-on-7 and team periods. I think the more reps you get in practice, the less your head will be spinning."
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i just cannot believe Keenum or Savage cant beat out a guy who is in his 30s and someone who has never led a winning team on the field:

2008 Bengals 4-11
2009 bills 6-10
2010 bills 4-12
2011 bills 6-10
2012 bills 6-10
2013 titans 7-9

that's fitzpatrick's record since getting regular playing time.

Fitzpatrick's problem is, even though he's super smart, he sucks at handling competition. Fitzpatrick is great at practice and training camp when he isnt being pressured or challenged and him getting so many starting gigs is evidence of that despite always failing due to the fact that come sundays, people go after you.

they dont go after you in practice.

Keenum is the opposite. doesnt really practice well but is a gamer come game time.

What's the point of a stop gap measure which is basically what fitzpatrick is?

I would rather win 3-5 games with keenum and savage as oppose to being a treadmill team and winning 6-8 games. At least with keenum and savage, you get to see young qbs play, if they fall on their faces we find out what they do have or dont have, we lose a lot of games and we get premium picks next year to hopefully get a qb before the 3rd round.

Playing fitzpatrick just keeps you in the middle. going nowhere.

treadmill.

basically the same as playing matt schaub.
You can't believe it? I mean it's not really that hard to see a coach like O'Brien going with a guy who has actually won an NFL game over a dude who's started like 8 games and a rookie.

Have you watched the NFL before?
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You can't believe it? I mean it's not really that hard to see a coach like O'Brien going with a guy who has actually won an NFL game over a dude who's started like 8 games and a rookie.

Have you watched the NFL before?
Several rookies have started at the QB position over more experienced players. Many better than Ryan Fitzpatrick.
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i just cannot believe Keenum or Savage cant beat out a guy who is in his 30s and someone who has never led a winning team on the field:

2008 Bengals 4-11
2009 bills 6-10
2010 bills 4-12
2011 bills 6-10
2012 bills 6-10
2013 titans 7-9

that's fitzpatrick's record since getting regular playing time.

Fitzpatrick's problem is, even though he's super smart, he sucks at handling competition. Fitzpatrick is great at practice and training camp when he isnt being pressured or challenged and him getting so many starting gigs is evidence of that despite always failing due to the fact that come sundays, people go after you.

they dont go after you in practice.

Keenum is the opposite. doesnt really practice well but is a gamer come game time.

What's the point of a stop gap measure which is basically what fitzpatrick is?

I would rather win 3-5 games with keenum and savage as oppose to being a treadmill team and winning 6-8 games. At least with keenum and savage, you get to see young qbs play, if they fall on their faces we find out what they do have or dont have, we lose a lot of games and we get premium picks next year to hopefully get a qb before the 3rd round.

Playing fitzpatrick just keeps you in the middle. going nowhere.

treadmill.

basically the same as playing matt schaub.
Not sure of this treadmill crap you're talking about here. treadmill teams spend years not improving much more than their last year....... under the same coach that is..... We'd be closer to staying in the same position we fell to last year if we started Keenum & he proceeded to only win 1 more game than we won all of last year...something you said you'd be happy with... Hell Keenum would be the face of our failure having been the starter for all but 8-9 of our games the last 2 years. 2nd, this is BoB's 1st year as the HC and we don't know exactly how much improvement we're going to see.

Regardless of how many games Fitzpatrick has won in any 1 season of his career, he's won more in this league than Keenum or Savage have combined; & that's with 1 of those guys getting 7-8 starts to prove that he in fact can win in this league.

Keenum fanboys like to blame Keenum's 0-8 record on bad coaching and missing/inept talent around him but neglect to point this out when it comes to Fitz who by and large hasn't exactly been surrounded with great coaching and talent throughout his career either. I'm not saying that to say that Fitz is going to come out and light it up b/c that's not likely to happen. I'm saying it b/c despite his warts, Fitz has had some success in this league beyond what his individual numbers might indicate.

Furthermore, according to the HC, Keenum is neck & neck with a rookie who has played like 12 games in 3 years. That says more bad about Keenum who's been in the league 3 years now than it does about how good Savage is or how bad Fitz is.

Lastly, at the end of the day,BoB is trying to win games..period. & whether you want to admit it or not, the texans stand a better chance of doing that with Fitz at the helm than apparently Keenum or Savage right now.
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Personally, I still think Keenum will be cut before the start of the season.
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Several rookies have started at the QB position over more experienced players. Many better than Ryan Fitzpatrick.
And none of those guys are on the Texans roster

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do you even comprehend bro? i clearly stated why obrien, a coach who has yet to win a single nfl game went with fitzpatrick. he's the safe choice. he looks good in practice. he's the more proven product and its also the cowardly move that is devoid of bravery and outside the box thinking.



wow. is that your safe go to putdown post?
Why would a guy put a player who is more inexperienced and probably not as good as the current starter under center in live NFL games? To satisfy some fans need for "bravery"?

I don't even get how you have it in your head that Keenum or Savage is a better option at QB than Fitzpatrick other than they are unknown and you don't like Fitz. I can see the conversation now:

"Yeah Fitzpatrick is better but we gotta roll with Keenum because. . . reasons".


And no, my safe go-to put down: Get out, come back when you're thinking with your brain and not your emotions.
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If you believe Fitz to be nothing more than a journeyman(which I do), then Keenum or Savage are lucky have the best opportunity to overtake him in a fair pre-season competition.

In reference to LB's "safe" reference, I get your meaning.. but I wouldn't go so far as to say cowardly.

I think it's safer to say he's been given lemons and he's making lemonade. I doubt there' an NFL coach out there that would envy having to pick from Fitz/Keenum/Savage.... O'brien has to approach this systematically. If not for his own sake, he owes it to every other player on the team.
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Schaub and Kubiak are gone, yet there's still bitching. Some of you expect way too much.

Oh yeah, Keenum sucks.
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blah, blah blah....
Your arguments are simplistic. You use record as THE determining factor...Keenum went 0 fer last year and yet you openly admit you'd want him over Fitz. What about Tebow? That guy was a winner. VY?


People might take actually take your non-sense more serious if you actually gave some analysis beyond something that everyone already knows. I haven't seen anyone here who seriously says that Fitz is going to turn into some franchise QB. You're arguing against ghost.

You really have no point and your just making a bunch of noise and spitting all over the place like:

What exactly is your point? That the Texans might not be good this year? That Fitz has been a mediocre at best QB throughout his career?

Thanks for letting everyone know these things. We get it.
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you suck at put downs. you should put down the bong and get a personality.
Jesus H Christ what a little ***** you are!

And don't bother responding, I'm to scared of you to respond back.
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It's too soon to be worrying about this. Right now Fitzpatrick is holding everybody else off with his brain. There are no noodle arms in this camp and there are no statues. Everybody here can throw it and move at least a little. There's a pretty wide gap in experience (obviously) and in practices I'd expect Fitz's experience and smarts to put him way ahead of everybody else.

Once the preseason games start and we get to see these guys against live/semi-live competition other aspects of their game, "intangibles" if you will begin to appear. It's a lot like Vinny talking about how there are always guys who shine early in OTA's and training camp... before people put on pads and start hitting one another. Then the pressure turns up and players start showing who they really are.

If Keenum gets to stay on the team it will be due to making plays in preseason games and continuing to show improvement in practice. If Savage overtakes him it will be the same thing.

I kind of expect us to roll with Fitz and Savage with Keenum hitting the road but nothing is certain yet. I suspect that OB would like nothing better than for Keenum to make it impossible to cut him while continuing to see improvement from Savage but Case has to actually do it.

Until I see these three in at least preseason games I'm not drawing any conclusions. Fitz could be another Alex Smith just waiting for someone to give him enough talent around him and a system he can shine in.... or he might be (probably is) crap like we all think. Case might be a guy who got handed the wheel of the Titanic last year and just needs a chance to lead a team that isn't stuck in a ditch.... or he could just be another undrafted FA with no real future. Savage could be anything. Let it happen and quit bitching about so much before you have any reason to do so. We're like the living embodiment of old saying about "Borrowing trouble before it gets here". Enjoy the mystery for a while. It will be gone soon enough and we might not be happy that it is.
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wtf are you talking about? i want the team to tank and get higher draft picks.
Yes. And the best way to do that is take out the Bad QB (Fitzpatrick) and replace him with someone you think is better (Keenum).

Great logic Einstein.

You're inconsistent and incoherent.

That's a pretty fuqed combo bro.
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We will win the division with Fitzkeenage .

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You know fitzpatrick is not the long term solution.

Why wait?
Why not find out now?
Your whole argument is built on the premise that Fitzpatrick is definitely a failure.

He might be, but no head coach is going with a guy they think is worse in order to try something out. These guys have jobs to keep and not only that, there is player morale, fan morale, organization morale. You don't want to build a losing culture in the NFL. It's tough to get to the play-offs and you want a team that knows how to win.

Fitz may or may not be the best solution for QB. I'm on record in another thread saying that I like Keenum the best of the QB's we currently have.

But your argument is built on Losing.

You have a loser mentality and instead of giving the team the best chance to win you'd rather experiment because "We might as well lose with Keenum or Fitz"....

That's an asinine argument anyways, because either way, QB would be a strong possibility in the draft anyways. If you lose a bunch of games with Fitz, Savage, or Keenum they aren't going to rule out QB at the top of the draft.


You want the team to lose. And you think everyone should be receptive to that?

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Your whole argument is built on the premise that Fitzpatrick is definitely a failure.

He might be, but no head coach is going with a guy they think is worse in order to try something out. These guys have jobs to keep and not only that, there is player morale, fan morale, organization morale. You don't want to build a losing culture in the NFL. It's tough to get to the play-offs and you want a team that knows how to win.

Fitz may or may not be the best solution for QB. I'm on record in another thread saying that I like Keenum the best of the QB's we currently have.

But your argument is built on Losing.

You have a loser mentality and instead of giving the team the best chance to win you'd rather experiment because "We might as well lose with Keenum or Fitz"....

That's an asinine argument anyways, because either way, QB would be a strong possibility in the draft anyways. If you lose a bunch of games with Fitz, Savage, or Keenum they aren't going to rule out QB at the top of the draft.


You want the team to lose. And you think everyone should be receptive to that?

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Every once in a while I wish I was still a moderator. I'd delete about half the guano in this thread.
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