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Old 04-04-2013   #1
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Players still moving up in down especially top two rounds. I think most fans have settled on positions just maybe disagree on players. One of hardest things I've had to do is be willing to give up on players I formed attachment with by watching them so much. Terrence Williams is such a player. He the best WR in going deep and has great stats, just cannot convince me he can go across middle and that has to be a trait of whomever Smithiak goes with.
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1. NT Johnathan Hankins 6'3"320 yeah I know I said I feel Phillips will go with Mitchell and maybe a late round pick or a vet after draft. Never guessed that Hankins would drop to #27. I refused to even discuss him with other posters as I was convinced he was top 20. So many mocks that I respect and review have him all around #27. Allen may recover in his pro day & I like him and B Williams in second but not as much as I like Hankins and my #2. Here's hoping Wade sees Hankins as I do. Detailed eval: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingre...13jhankins.php

2. WR Da'Rick Rogers 6' 2 1/2 217.7 lbs top 5 in 3 cone and a 4.44 combine (2nd try) yeah, yeah he smoked pot but has been clean a year. No info about failing a combine test so...this guy does it all. I have mocked him for months as he is one of few that has skill sets to eventually replace AJ. Never had an on field problem. Very detailed eval http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2013drogers.php

3. OLB Cornelius Washingon 6'4" 265 lbs. 4.55 40, benched 36 with a 39 (are you serious!) vertical. Here is a link that explains best what I saw watching him play. With our coaches he could be a first year starter. http://www.battleredblog.com/2013/2/...ius-washington

3B OT Brennan Williams 6'6" 318 this future star from NC is right on track with his recovery. Some will say I'm reaching but I want him. He's going to be that good. Unlike some tackles, he can play OG and may start RG 2014 unless Brooks forces Smith to the bench & Brandon is RG even sooner than I expect. Williams will be a very good RT and with a bit of coaching could play left.

4. S Terry Hawthorne 6' 195 4.4 this CB reminds me some of 3rd year KJ and could eventually start at corner but I project him to safety. He might be there in 5th but not taking any chances. I also like Robert Lester but his coverage is less than Hawthorne's.

5. ILB A.J. Klein 6'1" 250 4.6 is a tackling machine avg 116 T and 5.5 TFLs for three seasons. Only late round ILB that could start in our defense. He can cover TEs & knocks them off their routes. Stacks and sheds with strength and good hands. Shuts down the run. Will allow Cush to go beserk. Will shine with Reed and Joseph behind him.

6. RB Cierre Wood 5' 11" 4.46 Tate's replacement. Avg's 6.7 yards per carry. May be most under rated RB in draft.

6B TE Michael Williams 6'6" 278 I've mocked him in 5th forever but he should be here although I don't know why. Has bulk and strength to play on line in our "super" package but soft hands who should remind fans of a certain RZ scoring TE that left us.

7. WR Marquess Wilson 6'3" 194 4.45 35 " vertical. Natural catcher with god body control and able to bulk & grow stronger. I despise Mike Leach & think Wilson did right thing. Low risk high reward. Would not shock if he replaces Jean on roster.


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Three guy's I have so far in the TT Mock ..... You know I like it.


Rogers , Washington and Klein.
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New England mock has Rogers in second round.
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I had Rogers in the second , Washington in the third and Klein in the 4th. I dont think he lasts to the 5th .... Someone mentioned he was their next target right after I took him.
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I really like this mock. I think because of Williams injury we could do better in the 3rd but if the doctors sign off on him I'm good. Hawthorne in the 4th could take some luck. Regardless of what CBS has him ranked I think he could go in the 3rd, if available though he's a great pick. I think he could work out at CB but I can see FS in him as well. Klein in the 5th might also take a little luck, but love that pick as well. Wilson in the 7th is a very low risk/high reward prospect. Overall if all works out and our draft fell like this I'd be quite happy. Good job.

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Quinton Patton must be flying when he beats Hawthorne for a couple of TDs.
Man, I wish we had another 3rd round pick.
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Man, I wish we had another 3rd round pick.

A few months ago we were looking for ways to get another 2nd rounder. This TT GM mock has shown that there's good talent to be had in the 3rd and 4th as well and an extra 3rd is alot cheaper and easier to get than an extra 2nd. I'm not sure what it would take but I agree Rick needs to be wareing that phone out on draft day getting us an extra pick in the 2nd or 3rd pick.
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A few months ago we were looking for ways to get another 2nd rounder. This TT GM mock has shown that there's good talent to be had in the 3rd and 4th as well and an extra 3rd is alot cheaper and easier to get than an extra 2nd. I'm not sure what it would take but I agree Rick needs to be wareing that phone out on draft day getting us an extra pick in the 2nd or 3rd pick.
Agree!
Look in the selection thread and see the guys available if we trade down to the mid-to-late second.
At 48 sits Jonathan Hankins, and there are a slew of talented guys down all the way to the top third.

You can still have all the guys you want in BB's draft plus an extra third round selection.

How crazy is that?
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Agree!
Look in the selection thread and see the guys available if we trade down to the mid-to-late second.
At 48 sits Jonathan Hankins, and there are a slew of talented guys down all the way to the top third.

You can still have all the guys you want in BB's draft plus an extra third round selection.

How crazy is that?
If you recall , when my first pick came up in the draft I said I'd rather have made a trade down , probably vould have gone ~10 spots and still gotten the same player and picked up a pick in the process.

The talent level from ~15 thru 60 is really flat , at least in my opinion. I wonder if NFL GM's feel the same way ?!
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If you recall , when my first pick came up in the draft I said I'd rather have made a trade down , probably vould have gone ~10 spots and still gotten the same player and picked up a pick in the process.

The talent level from ~15 thru 60 is really flat , at least in my opinion. I wonder if NFL GM's feel the same way ?!
I think there will be some trades on draft day; I hope the Texans are involved in one of them.
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Guys, I think a trade will happen, especially after some of the QBs like Kolb,Palmer etc have relocated. Hoping some team will give us a high second and a fourth or mid second and a third for #27. I still think we could also trade the previous mentioned 3rd or our own + 4th and 5th or 6th for another high second.

The issue that I am fighting is we get better players but fewer and we still can get decent players in those pick we would lose to trade up. I do think we can get our dire needs met with a WR, OLB, NT and an OT.

Some time ago I had a thread on trading with Dolphins. I ran into this suggetsion recently: Texans first and fourth for Miami's second (54) and third (77). Way out of proportion and I'd say no. Interestingly, our #27 (680) for their #42 (480) and their third #77 (205)= 685. This allows them to keep #54 in second and #82 in third + get our first. We'd have #42 and our own #57; in third we'd have their #77, our own # 89 & our comp #95. Git er done!
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1. NT Johnathan Hankins 6'3"320 yeah I know I said I feel Phillips will go with Mitchell and maybe a late round pick or a vet after draft. Never guessed that Hankins would drop to #27. I refused to even discuss him with other posters as I was convinced he was top 20. So many mocks that I respect and review have him all around #27. Allen may recover in his pro day & I like him and B Williams in second but not as much as I like Hankins and my #2. Here's hoping Wade sees Hankins as I do. Detailed eval: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingre...13jhankins.php
It's not going to happen.

What I truly dislike about this, & it's not just your mock, it's "everybody's" mock.

It's not going to happen. & when it's not going to happen, you & "everybody else" are going to complain about our run defense. Whether we are #5 in run defense, or #7 in run defense, because we don't have that 320lb mountain of a man in the middle..... our run defense "sucks"

Bottom line, & I mean absolutely no disrespect, but when we consistently pick 320lb NTs we're saying that we don't understand what our team is trying to do, we don't agree with what our team is trying to do, or some mixture of both.
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It's not going to happen.

What I truly dislike about this, & it's not just your mock, it's "everybody's" mock.

It's not going to happen. & when it's not going to happen, you & "everybody else" are going to complain about our run defense. Whether we are #5 in run defense, or #7 in run defense, because we don't have that 320lb mountain of a man in the middle..... our run defense "sucks"

Bottom line, & I mean absolutely no disrespect, but when we consistently pick 320lb NTs we're saying that we don't understand what our team is trying to do, we don't agree with what our team is trying to do, or some mixture of both.
Thats the main reason I went with Kawann Short in the TT Mock - he best fits the description of the type of DT/NT Wade has spoken of in being able to penetrate and get upfield while still having the ability to hold up on double teams.

Short wouldnt be a two down player like Cody was ... He'd play on those passing downs when they move Ninja inside with the OLB moving to DE.


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-------Watt--- Short --- Ninja
Reed -----???---Cushing----Mercilus


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It's not going to happen.

What I truly dislike about this, & it's not just your mock, it's "everybody's" mock.

It's not going to happen. & when it's not going to happen, you & "everybody else" are going to complain about our run defense. Whether we are #5 in run defense, or #7 in run defense, because we don't have that 320lb mountain of a man in the middle..... our run defense "sucks"

Bottom line, & I mean absolutely no disrespect, but when we consistently pick 320lb NTs we're saying that we don't understand what our team is trying to do, we don't agree with what our team is trying to do, or some mixture of both.
What you and Corrosion are not mentioning is Phillips has never said he prefers a smaller Nose for his scheme. He has said he works with what he has. Sacks from the Nose are just gravy, a Nose is primarily to shut down the run (which Mitchell and Cody did not do) and take up blocks so the other two Dline and your OLBs can cause havoc with QB. If the Nose can collapse the pocket and Hankins, Sy Williams and Brandon Williams can, you have a great fit. If Phillips were opposed to big boys we never would have tried out Fangupo. he did not have skill set but Wade did allow him. If we do draft Short over Hankins, I will then agree with you. If we go for other positions 1- 3B and not select a NT all that means is Texans felt those postions had greater need. I have said that I have feeling that Wade will start Mitchell and use what he has for backups. I think that is a mistake but would gladly say I am wrong as that would allow us to foucus on other spots.
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I agree with BB.

I can see Jonathan Hankins as a possibility.
He's a 3-down player despite what the stats say.

I just don't know how high I'm willing to draft him.
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What you and Corrosion are not mentioning is Phillips has never said he prefers a smaller Nose for his scheme. He has said he works with what he has. Sacks from the Nose are just gravy, a Nose is primarily to shut down the run (which Mitchell and Cody did not do) and take up blocks so the other two Dline and your OLBs can cause havoc with QB. If the Nose can collapse the pocket and Hankins, Sy Williams and Brandon Williams can, you have a great fit. If Phillips were opposed to big boys we never would have tried out Fangupo. he did not have skill set but Wade did allow him. If we do draft Short over Hankins, I will then agree with you. If we go for other positions 1- 3B and not select a NT all that means is Texans felt those postions had greater need. I have said that I have feeling that Wade will start Mitchell and use what he has for backups. I think that is a mistake but would gladly say I am wrong as that would allow us to foucus on other spots.
I agree with most of what you are saying .... Just that I believe Short best fits the description (of those remaining) of what we have seen in the past from the position.

I'd much prefer Sharrif Floyd or Sheldon Richardson but we have no shot at those two. Short is the "next best option" IMO.

I wouldnt be opposed to Johnathan Hankins.
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I agree with most of what you are saying .... Just that I believe Short best fits the description (of those remaining) of what we have seen in the past from the position.

I'd much prefer Sharrif Floyd or Sheldon Richardson but we have no shot at those two. Short is the "next best option" IMO.

I wouldnt be opposed to Johnathan Hankins.
Short almost never plays the NT so we basically have to project, correct? Love to have him replace Antoine Smith but if going to use a first I want someone who has played the NT a lot.
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Short almost never plays the NT so we basically have to project, correct? Love to have him replace Antoine Smith but if going to use a first I want someone who has played the NT a lot.
Our NT does not have the same responsibilities as a regular 3/4 NT. Short was at his best when playing inside against guards.

For Thunderkiss, just because Hankins is 320 doesn't mean he is just a big run stuffer. He is a three down player.
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Sacks from the Nose are just gravy, a Nose is primarily to shut down the run (which Mitchell and Cody did not do) and take up blocks so the other two Dline and your OLBs can cause havoc with QB.
I don't think Wade sees the Nose the same way we do. We look at our defensive front & we "see" a 3-4, but he plays it more like a 4-3. His weakside DE is more like a 4-3 UT & his nose is more like a 4-3 strongside DT. These guys can be huge like Kyle Williams & be successful, or they can be like your traditional 4-3 tackle who normally goes unrecognized (Shuan Cody).

Wade's defense is not about taking up blocks or making it easier for others to make plays. He attacks the gaps, he wants the offense to react to what we're doing, cause havoc all along the line.


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Our NT does not have the same responsibilities as a regular 3/4 NT. Short was at his best when playing inside against guards.

For Thunderkiss, just because Hankins is 320 doesn't mean he is just a big run stuffer. He is a three down player.
I could be completely wrong. I'm just a guy. But I don't think we'll ever spend a 1st on a guy to play Shaun Cody's position. That is the big ugly of the big uglies. He does all the dirty work, noone will ever know his name.

We might get lucky & find an overacheiver like Jay Ratliff, but he won't be a first rounder.
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