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Old 06-28-2005   #41
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You are still talking about personel more than scheme. The Panthers and Ravens went to the Super Bowl lately and the Steelers had a great season with a running offense with a downfield passing attack. All these teams rely on ball control and good defense. There is nothing wrong with our offense and it is not much different than other good teams schemes.
You're looking too much into scheme.
It takes both.
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You were the one dogging the scheme. I brought up examples of other very successful teams using the same scheme and you switched to players.
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You were the one dogging the scheme. I brought up examples of other very successful teams using the same scheme and you switched to players.
I wasn't dogging the scheme. I was defending their inability to have/use a more in depth play call. I STRONGLY believe that they aren't using 3/4 of their plays due to in large part that they knew that they aren't/weren't gonna be very good in their 1st 3 years.
By saying that "there's no way that an NFL team can be this unimaginative" is my way of saying that the less than desirable play call must be on purpose.
Thus making it harder for our opponents to study us. They look @ old film, form a game plan, and POW. We come out and run plays they aren't ready for, equalling victory.
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Not using 75% of their plays? That is not accurate and you are just throwing figures out there randomly. Teams can only run or pass and there are not too many more options to move the ball. Running teams will run more than passing teams. Passing teams will pass more than running teams. That is just how it works.
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I wasn't dogging the scheme. I was defending their inability to have/use a more in depth play call. I STRONGLY believe that they aren't using 3/4 of their plays due to in large part that they knew that they aren't/weren't gonna be very good in their 1st 3 years.
By saying that "there's no way that an NFL team can be this unimaginative" is my way of saying that the less than desirable play call must be on purpose.
Thus making it harder for our opponents to study us. They look @ old film, form a game plan, and POW. We come out and run plays they aren't ready for, equalling victory.
Think you are confusing imagination with execution. There are only a few times a game where an offense "fools" the defense with playcalling or conversely an offense is totally confused with a coverage or blitz package. Most of the time, it is a "playmaker" who steps up. It is andre johnson catching the ball over double coverage or the dom Davis getting the tough 3 and 2 with 8 men on the line of scrimmage that wins games.

My problem with the Texans has been that they take what the defense gives them too much versus dictate the action. But even contradictaing, myself, it is hard to dictate action when you have inferior players to other team. You just get out personnelled.
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Not using 75% of their plays? That is not accurate and you are just throwing figures out there randomly. Teams can only run or pass and there are not too many more options to move the ball. Running teams will run more than passing teams. Passing teams will pass more than running teams. That is just how it works.
Well short of interviewing the entire coaching staff and Casserly, I guess you could say that I am "just throwing #'s around". Like I said, it's something that I believe. Not something that I'm 100% sure of. Just tossing my opinion out there.
If I have to be accurate ALL the time then there should a Houston Texans Fact Boards. Opinions and Beliefs not welcome.
And duhhh....I know that you can either run or pass to move the ball. You don't have to talk to us like the only football we know is Madden.
It's called a Message Board where one can read and qoute views and opinions. THAT IS JUST HOW IT WORKS.
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Well, there is a difference in an opinion and misstatements. "Shaq is short" is not an opinion, that is a misstatement.
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Well, there is a difference in an opinion and misstatements. "Shaq is short" is not an opinion, that is a misstatement.
As long as the misstatement is expressed in an opinionated fashion then what's the difference?
If I were forcing my opinion as though it were facts, then that could be problematic.

IMO Yao Ming probably thinks Shaq is short. That wouldn't be a mistatement according to him.
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As long as the misstatement is expressed in an opinionated fashion then what's the difference?
"In my opinion the Texans are a baseball team". Is that what you are saying as valid as long as it is couched right?
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Think you are confusing imagination with execution. There are only a few times a game where an offense "fools" the defense with playcalling or conversely an offense is totally confused with a coverage or blitz package. Most of the time, it is a "playmaker" who steps up. It is andre johnson catching the ball over double coverage or the dom Davis getting the tough 3 and 2 with 8 men on the line of scrimmage that wins games.

My problem with the Texans has been that they take what the defense gives them too much versus dictate the action. But even contradictaing, myself, it is hard to dictate action when you have inferior players to other team. You just get out personnelled.
I agree with this take alot. But, if we are still getting out personelled in year 4, then I want to know why. Heck, even in the 70's, with less player movement, and not as much of a boost to start expansion teams, the Bucs made it to the playoffs in year 4 if I recall. The sorry Brownies were in the playoffs in year 4. The Panthers were in the playoffs, burnt out, and rebuilt in 4 years, albeit under more lenient conditions in which to build. My point is that I don't want to hear we are under talented because we haven't had enough time to build. If we don't have enough talent, maybe CC needs to think about not squandering draft picks as if they were confetti at a ticker tape parade.
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As long as the misstatement is expressed in an opinionated fashion then what's the difference?
If I were forcing my opinion as though it were facts, then that could be problematic.
sorry to jump in but,

it is the difference between someone taking your opinion seriously (even on message boards) and just dismissing it. You can have an opinion, but if the facts don't hold up this opinion, the time you have a more valid opinion the reader will ignore what could be pretty nice insight on a situation.
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"In my opinion the Texans are a baseball team". Is that what you are saying as valid as long as it is couched right?
You know that some opinions aren't worth arguing.
But then I'd give you facts to sway such a crazy opinion.
When I said that the Texans only use 25% of their plays what facts do you have to prove that my usage of %'s is wrong other than just playing devils' advocate. You see, It's not a crazy opinion, just one that you disagree with.
All I'm saying is that I believe they aren't using all their plays on purpose. Regardless of what % or # I throw out there. I was just merely trying to keep this thread going in defense of Capers' not being on the hot seat.
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You know that some opinions aren't worth arguing.
But then I'd give you facts to sway such a crazy opinion.
When I said that the Texans only use 25% of their plays what facts do you have to prove that my usage of %'s is wrong other than just playing devils' advocate. You see, It's not a crazy opinion, just one that you disagree with.
All I'm saying is that I believe they aren't using all their plays on purpose. Regardless of what % or # I throw out there. I was just merely trying to keep this thread going in defense of Capers' not being on the hot seat.
When Chris Palmer says that the team is using over 75% of the playbook (and he has), that turns your 'opinion' into a misstatement.
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When Chris Palmer says that the team is using over 75% of the playbook (and he has), that turns your 'opinion' into a misstatement.
No, it turns my opinion into an opinion that needs to be explained/backed up. I remember when Palmer said that.
You cannot believe everything you hear. Hence all the smokescreen play that goes on leading up to the draft. The same smokescreen stuff goes on during the season, pre-season, playoffs, and in between mini-camp and training camp. Why do you think we can't go to ALL the practices
IYO do you really believe they've used 75% of their playbook or was it way to keep the media from starting the "Carr's too dumb to swallow the entire playbook" controversy?
Is the remaining 25% all the new timing routes we're installing?
Or is it us saying that we're gonna put 'Dre in motion more?
That sounds to me like it'd need to be more than 25%.
But that's just me. In My Opinion.
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When Chris Palmer says that the team is using over 75% of the playbook (and he has), that turns your 'opinion' into a misstatement.
Yea and bush said there are weapons of mass destruction but do we belive him?

I dont think capers is in the hot seat. I think we will change coordinators first. If the D isnt in the top twelve or the sack totals dont improve I would think Hoak(is that the spelling?) will take over and if the offense dosent improve then i expect to see palmer gone.

The feeling i get capers will be the last to go.

But that is just my opinion. I could be wrong or at least that is what my wife tells me.
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Yea and bush said there are weapons of mass destruction but do we belive him?
If the man who runs the offense says that they are using most of the playbook, I'll assume he isn't lying and I'll take his word over some stranger being cute on a message board. I like to share what I know about the team here but when I hear you guys state things that are not true I feel I should speak up.
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No, it turns my opinion into an opinion that needs to be explained/backed up. I remember when Palmer said that.
You cannot believe everything you hear.
Palmer has no reason to lie about this. He isn't trying to trick the fans. What you are doing is taking his statement and exchanging it with fantasy for the purpose of supporting your argument.
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Back to the original question, McNair said this is a five year plan, so just like Palmer, there is no reason not to believe it. Capers is safe through '06.
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Palmer has no reason to lie about this. He isn't trying to trick the fans. What you are doing is taking his statement and exchanging it with fantasy for the purpose of supporting your argument.
Well it's obvious that we both love football, you know/have a little more insight to the team than me, and I should think B-4 I speak/type. And that you think I'm a "cute stranger".
Our opinion on how the game is ran though is different yet we both know that none of it really matters once the ball is snapped.
I guess I'm more on the side of the fence that believes that the coaches will say some deceptive things to the fans/media to gain a leg up on the competition.
Whether Palmer is lying or not, he has plenty of reasons to lie if he wanted. Tricking the fans becomes a non-issue to the fans if you win.
And of course I'd exchange his statement with fantasy/my opinion (gee thanx) to support my arguement. Their playcalling/formation selection was numbing by mid-season (to me) and like I said about 4 posts ago, I STRONGLY believe they haven't used all their plays, on purpose.
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If the man who runs the offense says that they are using most of the playbook, I'll assume he isn't lying and I'll take his word over some stranger being cute on a message board. I like to share what I know about the team here but when I hear you guys state things that are not true I feel I should speak up.
I was just kidding trying to keep the mood light. Nothing personal.

Lets think of it this way, maybe he is using 75% of the play book. Lets count, one run right, one run left, one run up the middle, one full back up the middle, quick throw to Andre, one throw to DD in the flat, punt. Well out of 10 id say that is somewhere around 75%.
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