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Old 03-25-2013   #2041
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Not butt hurt at all- I liked Ed, but Ed Reed isn't Ed Reed anymore. Gambles too much, is wrong a lot, cannot wrap up and leaves CB's stranded a lot. Other than that, he is a fine addition to the Texans.

Ravens lose more FA's than anyone else in the league, year after year. Since the inception of the Compensatory Pick in 1994 (2 years before the Ravens existed), the Ravens have been awarded the most picks for FA leaving because we are successful and win on a consistent basis.

Better to let a player go a year too early, than a year too late....
While I agree with the yr to early philosophy,

Ed looked good in the playoffs this yr and I remember him against the Texans 2 yrs ago. His injued labrum caused the tackling problems and I can remember games that he would be in position to break up a pass and couldn't because he couldn't raise his arm above his head.
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One of my friends ran into Ed Reed at Mo's Steakhouse on Friday. Apparently Lechler was there too, but she didn't get a pic with him.

You've got very attractive friends. LOL
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One of my friends ran into Ed Reed at Mo's Steakhouse on Friday. Apparently Lechler was there too, but she didn't get a pic with him.

annnd what club does she strip for?


I kid...I kid....

Seems like a very nice friend. Almost as tall as Ed Reed...
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One of my friends ran into Ed Reed at Mo's Steakhouse on Friday. Apparently Lechler was there too, but she didn't get a pic with him.

Man, Megan Fox thinks Ed Reed has a weird looking thumb...
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annnd what club does she strip for?


I kid...I kid....

Seems like a very nice friend. Almost as tall as Ed Reed...
Eh, she's a very Christian girl who went to Rice, sooooooooooooo yeah... no.

Now her modeling friends on the other hand, well I can't speak for them.
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One of my friends ran into Ed Reed at Mo's Steakhouse on Friday. Apparently Lechler was there too, but she didn't get a pic with him.

I haven't been keeping up, which one is Reed?
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Earlier in this thread, I reported his missed tackles stats last year. This has not been characteristic for Reed. It brings up the recollection of one of my posts in the thread last year "Ravens Injuries," prior to the Ravens - Texans game.



This type of injury does not "heal." If not major, in some cases, it may at least for some indeterminate period of time, be compensated for by concentrated muscle strengthening of the muscles of the shoulder, much like a rotator cuff. It is very prone to re-injury/extended injury which with each incident increases the chance that surgical repair would be necessary.

This injury can have varying degrees of pain with full range of motion of the shoulder, and be accompanied by significant range of motion limitations, consistent with a safety "missing" tackles. The player will tend to avoid direct shoulder contact, will demonstrate less strength in wrapping, and certainly avoid one-handed tackles that could bend the involved shoulder/arm backwards.

I would look for these patterns to be lessened with offseason "rest" and concentrated rehab strengthening, as long as the injury has not already progressed too far.......and he does not sustain further injury to the shoulder.
So Reed has a torn labrum?????
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So Reed has a torn labrum?????
It's also been said that Reed played the SB with 2 (!!) sprained MCL's.
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So Reed has a torn labrum?????
I believe Dwight Howard has been playing with a torn labrum for basically the whole season now. It really hasn't effected him that much.

I know different sport, but still. I think it's not a cause for concern. He has the whole offseason to heal.
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While I agree with the yr to early philosophy,

Ed looked good in the playoffs this yr and I remember him against the Texans 2 yrs ago. His injued labrum caused the tackling problems and I can remember games that he would be in position to break up a pass and couldn't because he couldn't raise his arm above his head.
The Labrum Tear didn't prevent that- it was his nerve impingement.
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So this year should be like the others? Your just gonna rebuild your defense and Jacoby is gonna step into the shoes of Bolden?

Lol. Now that is some funny chit right there.
Jacoby is not 'stepping into' Boldin's shoes- that's for Tandon Doss, Deonte Thompson, et al. Jacoby is the PR, KR and Speedy WR on the outside.

We signed Chris Canty of the Giants, Marcus Spears for the DLine, Some our own FA's and Dumervil for the DLine.

We lost Ellerbe- but at 7 mill he's over paid by Miami

We Lost Kruger- Browns paid more than double- stupid move- they will cut him in 2 years. Waste of money.

Now Ed leaves in FA- Harbaugh solidifies his hold on the team.

End of the defensive stranglehold in Baltimore.

Ozzie always likes the below the radar signings- not the big splashy ones. Ask Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder how many SB's they have won since signing all these FA's.
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The Labrum Tear didn't prevent that- it was his nerve impingement.
Not once over the past few seasons where reports have come out concerning “nerve impingement” with neck and shoulder pains, has there ever been referral to a "cervical disc" as his source for his nerve compression. Strange? No. This is evidently because the source is not a cervical disc. When a player like Reed has sustained repeated shoulder trauma including dislocations or subluxations (pop in and out), labrum and/or rotator cuff tears, it can lead to a condition known as Thoracic Outlet Syndrome which causes impingement of all the major nerves to the shoulder and arms......and not only creates weakness in this distribution and pain in these areas, but also many times throughout the distribution of the side of the neck. Repeated trauma to the shoulder area leading to increased inflammation and swelling and thus pressure (impingement) on the nerves only serves to aggravate the severity of the condition.

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Not once over the past few seasons where reports have come out concerning “nerve impingement” with neck and shoulder pains, has there ever been referral to a "cervical disc" as his source for his nerve compression. Strange? No. This is evidently because the source is not a cervical disc. When a player like Reed has sustained repeated shoulder trauma including dislocations or subluxations (pop in and out), labrum and/or rotator cuff tears, it can lead to a condition known as Thoracic Outlet Syndrome which causes impingement of all the major nerves to the shoulder and arms......and not only creates weakness in this distribution and pain in these areas, but also many times throughout the distribution of the side of the neck. Repeated trauma to the shoulder area leading to increased inflammation and swelling and thus pressure (impingement) on the nerves only serves to aggravate the severity of the condition.





For additional explanation of What is thoracic outlet syndrome?, click the link.
Hey DocJean, what's the difference between a torn labrum and a rotator cuff injury? If need be, and not to derail this conversation maybe you could start a thread further down the dial (if you know what I mean)... Thanks, my brother.

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Jacoby is not 'stepping into' Boldin's shoes- that's for Tandon Doss, Deonte Thompson, et al. Jacoby is the PR, KR and Speedy WR on the outside.

We signed Chris Canty of the Giants, Marcus Spears for the DLine, Some our own FA's and Dumervil for the DLine.

We lost Ellerbe- but at 7 mill he's over paid by Miami

We Lost Kruger- Browns paid more than double- stupid move- they will cut him in 2 years. Waste of money.

Now Ed leaves in FA- Harbaugh solidifies his hold on the team.

End of the defensive stranglehold in Baltimore.

Ozzie always likes the below the radar signings- not the big splashy ones. Ask Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder how many SB's they have won since signing all these FA's.
Let me translate.

Everybody we lost is overpaid and sucked.

Everybody we got is not a big name but great.

Lol.
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Hey DocJean, what's the difference between a torn labrum and a rotator cuff injury? If need be, and not to derail this conversation maybe you could start a thread further down the dial (if you know what I mean)... Thanks, my brother.

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I'm not the Doc but as a lifter who couldn't touch the top of his head for a year because he blew out his shoulder in competition, I know a thing or four about rotator cuff injuries.

There are 4 muscles that make up the rotator cuff: supraspinatus, infraspinatus, subscapularis, and teres minor. They basically attach your arm to your shoulder blade in a bizarre and confusing tangle.

The LABRUM is actually the tissue on the inside of the shoulder joint that the ball that forms the head of the upper arm bone (the humerus) fits into. There are also bursa sacks up in there that get inflamed (I had one of those and it hurt. Bad.)

So the Labrum and the Rotator Cuff are kinda separate things but they're very closely inter-related in the way they work with each other. There are strength tests that can usually determine which one of the RC muscles is damaged.
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Let me translate.

Everybody we lost is overpaid and sucked.

Everybody we got is not a big name but great.

Lol.
Pretty much nailed it.
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I'm not the Doc but as a lifter who couldn't touch the top of his head for a year because he blew out his shoulder in competition, I know a thing or four about rotator cuff injuries.

There are 4 muscles that make up the rotator cuff: supraspinatus, infraspinatus, subscapularis, and teres minor. They basically attach your arm to your shoulder blade in a bizarre and confusing tangle.

The LABRUM is actually the tissue on the inside of the shoulder joint that the ball that forms the head of the upper arm bone (the humerus) fits into. There are also bursa sacks up in there that get inflamed (I had one of those and it hurt. Bad.)

So the Labrum and the Rotator Cuff are kinda separate things but they're very closely inter-related in the way they work with each other. There are strength tests that can usually determine which one of the RC muscles is damaged.
You forgot to mention that the cure is damn near as bad as the ailment. I spent almost 3 months sleeping sitting up and over 6 months rehabbing. My torn rotator cuff was severe and had a torn labrum to boot. It was absolute hell getting over the surgery.
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Let me translate.

Everybody we lost is overpaid and sucked.

Everybody we got is not a big name but great.

Lol.
There was no translation necessary- but you can do with it what you want.

The Ravens track record in Free Agency stands for itself.
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Hey DocJean, what's the difference between a torn labrum and a rotator cuff injury? If need be, and not to derail this conversation maybe you could start a thread further down the dial (if you know what I mean)... Thanks, my brother.

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I'm not the Doc but as a lifter who couldn't touch the top of his head for a year because he blew out his shoulder in competition, I know a thing or four about rotator cuff injuries.

There are 4 muscles that make up the rotator cuff: supraspinatus, infraspinatus, subscapularis, and teres minor. They basically attach your arm to your shoulder blade in a bizarre and confusing tangle.

The LABRUM is actually the tissue on the inside of the shoulder joint that the ball that forms the head of the upper arm bone (the humerus) fits into. There are also bursa sacks up in there that get inflamed (I had one of those and it hurt. Bad.)

So the Labrum and the Rotator Cuff are kinda separate things but they're very closely inter-related in the way they work with each other. There are strength tests that can usually determine which one of the RC muscles is damaged.
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You forgot to mention that the cure is damn near as bad as the ailment. I spent almost 3 months sleeping sitting up and over 6 months rehabbing. My torn rotator cuff was severe and had a torn labrum to boot. It was absolute hell getting over the surgery.
Bill, The Pencil Neck and DocBar both share good information.

To summarize an answer to your question:

Labral tears are not uncommonly misdiagnosed as as rotator cuff tears by many lay persons and even some physicians. It is importance to distinguish the difference since the former is much more serious and much more potentially debilitative.

A labrum tear is a tear in the cartilage that lines the inside of the shoulder joint. That cartilage is there to help secure the arm in the socket, as the joint is somewhat unstable by nature. If the socket rim is disrupted, the ball can pop out (shoulder subluxation or dislocation).



Many are quick to ascribe shoulder pain to rotator cuff strains but that may be a dangerous self-diagnosis. Rotator cuff injuries affect the smaller, secondary, stabilizing muscles that surround the shoulder joint. These muscles include the teres minor, infraspinatus, supraspinatus and subscapularis. These injuries are usually small strains (muscle or musculotendinous tears) and will usually heal on their own with rest, ice and proper rehab, many times even in the case of severe tears. Those that don't will require surgery.





Why is a labrum tear more serious? Tears in the labrum will not heal on their own. They can become less symptomatic or even asymptomatic if treated properly. The tear remains but by strengthening and retraining the surrounding (rotator cuff )musculature, you may be able to continue activity symptom free. But this isn’t always the case. Many of these tears will require surgery. This depends on the type and level of activity/competition you are involved in. A competitive athlete would need to seriously consider surgery to remain at peak performer.

How can you tell the difference? It’s very difficult. If the injury doesn’t improve with treatment, that’s a good indicator you’re probably dealing with your labrum. After an initial diagnosis, a doctor will usually use an MRI to confirm the finding. Bottom line, if you have shoulder pain or instability that isn’t improving with therapy and rest, you need to see a doctor well-versed in shoulder injuries.
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So, simply put, Labral tears are basically damage to the cartilage of the shoulder joint and rotator cuff injuries are failures (tears) to the muscles that provide mobility to the shoulder??

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