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Old 06-23-2005   #21
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So apparently we are still interested in Verba.

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Got this article from espn - Clayton talks about us and the other teams who have made offers and a few more details on all the players cut and post draft salary stuff. Good article says alot of the same info as the hpf link.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...C-DT9705204233
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Based on the infomation in the clayton article, we have the best shot right now of signing him if anyone is going to. That puts us at an advantage to structure a deal that is cap favorable and give us another viable option for a starting left tackle. Even if it takes a three year deal with a moderate bonus structure, I think the team still gets value for minimal risk.
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In the artical he says that Verba is considered by most to be a top 10 LT. Since when? I haven't heard of him being thought of that high. A solid, sleightly above average NFL LT..yes, but not a top 10. Is he really a top 10?
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In the artical he says that Verba is considered by most to be a top 10 LT. Since when? I haven't heard of him being thought of that high. A solid, sleightly above average NFL LT..yes, but not a top 10. Is he really a top 10?
That's debatable, but it has been reported by John Clayton before that "NFL personnel" thought he had a great season last year.
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That's debatable, but it has been reported by John Clayton before that "NFL personnel" thought he had a great season last year.
He is credited with allowing on 4 1/2 sacks. Not to sound too critical, but how many was Wand sited for allowing?

His personality and top 10 ranking might be debatable, but they guys is a talent to be sought after, for anyway, on the left side.

DC could do worse for people to protect his blind side... I'm confident of that.
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In the artical he says that Verba is considered by most to be a top 10 LT. Since when? I haven't heard of him being thought of that high. A solid, sleightly above average NFL LT..yes, but not a top 10. Is he really a top 10?
If he was a top-10 tackle teams would be lining up to sign him and clearing whatever cap space was needed to do it (top-10 LT's aren't cheap). He is a meaner, nastier version of Steve McKinney imo. They are about the same size but Verba probably has better feet.
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Top 10? I'll list mine and I watched Ross "play" football all last year keep in mind

1) Walter Jones
2) Jon Ogden (dwights chew toy)
3) Orlando Pace
4) Willie Roaf
5) Willie Anderson
6) Tra Thomas
7) Chris Samuels
8) Tarik Glenn
9) Flozell Adams
10) Matt Light

Ross himself claims only Pace and Ogden are better than him. Ryan Tucker, the browns RT, is better than him.
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Awesome, if he's as crappy as you say he is, then Casserly is sure to sign him soon.


Casserly's Offensive line FA must have checklist:

Cancer in the locker room - CHECK

Thinking they are better then they really are - CHECK

Disliked by players around the league - CHECK

Good at wearing out their welcomes - CHECK

Sign with Texans or they are on the verge of retiring - CHECK

Waiting until late June to address the horrible line - PRICELESS
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Awesome, if he's as crappy as you say he is, then Casserly is sure to sign him soon.


Casserly's Offensive line FA must have checklist:

Cancer in the locker room - CHECK

Thinking they are better then they really are - CHECK

Disliked by players around the league - CHECK

Good at wearing out their welcomes - CHECK

Sign with Texans or they are on the verge of retiring - CHECK

Waiting until late June to address the horrible line - PRICELESS
It's amazing that our Texans fans troll us harder than our rival fans do. Sadly most of the trolling around here comes from within.
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I am by no means educated enough on Pitts, and Wand, and Verba to make an executive decision on who plays LT.

But even with the excessive false starts, and holds, im going with Pitts. I know it sucks to not use Wand, since you did draft him in the 3-4th round, but I just feel that Pitts holds his own, and Wand holds us down.
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It's amazing that our Texans fans troll us harder than our rival fans do. Sadly most of the trolling around here comes from within.
Could it be because Texan fans know firsthand how the front office knowingly ignored a prime area of concern going into the offseason? Sometimes the truth hurts and is not pretty. Some would like to just put a happy face on every move the Texans make. Others are willing to speak up when they think problems are not being addressed. People shouldn't be bashed for expressing their views, even if those views reflect negatively on the Texans. This board would become a pretty stale place if it consisted of 100% silly homers. It already has plenty.
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I agree, I like Pitts best at LT

And as far as me supposedly trolling the Texans......well, I love the Texans. Its the Front Office that's gotten to me. Its kind of like being in love with a girl and she's with some other guy. And this other guy isn't treating her right. And now that they've been going out for a couple of years, it seems like he's beating her down behind closed doors. Texans being the girl. Casserly and Company being the guy that she's dating.

I've seen the Texans with some serious bruises this off-season......who knows, maybe with enough cover-up and blush, they'll look great by the start of the season. But, it doesn't mean that I have to love the way that she's been treated. I'm not going to pretend that everything is perfect when its not.

I know that Casserly and co. have a lot of backers' and that's cool, everyone in the whole world could say that he's put forth the best effort that he could. But, I know that's not true, so I'm going to tell it like it is.

I don't think that the sky is falling, if we get "a couple bounces" we could even come away with a winning record.

Still doesn't mean that I'm going to say that every move Casserly has done was perfect and that I think he is "one of the best".

Who knows, maybe I'm not a normal fan, but a horrible off-season sure doesn't make me all giddy.
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Could it be because Texan fans know firsthand how the front office knowingly ignored a prime area of concern going into the offseason? Sometimes the truth hurts and is not pretty. Some would like to just put a happy face on every move the Texans make. Others are willing to speak up when they think problems are not being addressed. People shouldn't be bashed for expressing their views, even if those views reflect negatively on the Texans. This board would become a pretty stale place if it consisted of 100% silly homers. It already has plenty.


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Could it be because Texan fans know firsthand how the front office knowingly ignored a prime area of concern going into the offseason? Sometimes the truth hurts and is not pretty.
I understand you know how to build a football team better than Bob McNair. I just wish we had you running the team because it's obvious that the Texans sure could use you. It's a shame we didn't win the Super Bowl last year like all 3 year exansion teams always do.
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Some would like to just put a happy face on every move the Texans make.
Some like to critique moves after they play out on the field. Frankly, I'm weird like that.
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I agree, I like Pitts best at LT

And as far as me supposedly trolling the Texans......well, I love the Texans. Its the Front Office that's gotten to me.
They haven't even had a chance to show you - the fan - that their moves were good or bad. You just assume that all their moves are poor. Either you have some kind of crystal ball or you are just trolling. If you have a crystal ball...my appoligies.
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It seems the closer we get to the season, the more trolls we have on this MB. Im not saying that ThrowAndreTheBall is a troll, but I have seen alot more trolls in the last month than normal.
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Awesome, if he's as crappy as you say he is, then Casserly is sure to sign him soon.


Casserly's Offensive line FA must have checklist:

Cancer in the locker room - CHECK

Thinking they are better then they really are - CHECK

Disliked by players around the league - CHECK

Good at wearing out their welcomes - CHECK

Sign with Texans or they are on the verge of retiring - CHECK

Waiting until late June to address the horrible line - PRICELESS
Don't forget, Verba was busted for having sleezy parties at his house with boarderline underaged women. He's an all around class act.
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The way I see it?

The front office knows much more than we, the fans, do. Sometimes there may be a method to their madness that cannot be explained in the immediate future.

I will not say the Texans are without their problems, they certainly have them and that is to be expected for a 3-4 year old football team. It often seems to me that the cookie-cutter society fans believe all issues can be resolved at once.

What I do know is that defense seems to win championships more than offense. I know that even though we had some key names that no one wanted to lose on defense, that we still had a defense ranked closer to the bottom of the league. What I saw this offseason? I saw the Texans make changes to that side of the ball that seems to have had more problems overall.

What have they done on the offensive side? Not alot personnel wise. However, as most educated players, coaches, and fans have stated over the years, lines benefit more with time to gel. This will be the first year the Texans give that possibility to the line. What I have also seen is them sticking to their plan and not faultering because the fans are impatient. I see a front office that would rather pass for subpar lineman in this draft and subpar lineman in FA versus making the fans happy for an average player just to satisfy the fans. I see a front office that may have the forsight to see there are potentially 4-5 LT's that may be 1st round draft potential next year that provides a better long term solution than anything we could've gotten this year.

Just because the team didn't address things the way you WANTED, doesn't mean there isn't a master plan that could allow this to work out. I want to see Carr protected from the blind side as much as anybody and the past dictates this year may be similar to the past years. However, I will let the games begin before I decide that their moves, or lack of moves, did or did not work.
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