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View Poll Results: What is a reasonable price for Connor Barwin?
$2M/yr 24 26.09%
$3M/yr 33 35.87%
$4M/yr 26 28.26%
$5M/yr 6 6.52%
$6M/yr 2 2.17%
$7M/yr 1 1.09%
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SO does tha mean the eagles will win the Superbowl now ..............
Ummm... who's their QB again? Oh yeah, Mr. Michael I-can't-finish-a-whole-season Vick.

Naaah... I think not.
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We sign 2 FA players two years ago and have been in cap hell. The eagles assemble an entire dream team of top tier FAs 2 seasons ago, it didnt work out so they release half of them and are now on dream team version 2.0. WTF
We didn't release ours. We could have more room if we cut Joseph and Manning.

I still don't consider us in cap hell. We don't have to bring in as many players because we draft better, we keep more of our picks, and win more games. They jettison guys every season because the team is no good and they keep thinking they can buy the right pieces.
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Only $8 mil of $36 guaranteed; at least the eagles had some snap.
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Now you take that back! There's no way Rick Smith has done a good job. Just axe the haters!
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Eagles trying to be Houston East. First they trade for Demeco Ryans, now they sign both Casey & Barwin to expensive contracts.
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We sign 2 FA players two years ago and have been in cap hell. The eagles assemble an entire dream team of top tier FAs 2 seasons ago, it didnt work out so they release half of them and are now on dream team version 2.0. WTF
There's a team that knows how to manage their cap.

Good luck Connor, I'm glad you got paid.

Time to draft Kruegers little brother Joe Krueger.
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Reed and Mercilus will likely be the OLB starters and we will draft an ILB early. OLB depth can be found in the middle of the draft.
If their plan was to let Quin walk & land Reed/Woodson, I wouldn't be so sure we're looking at the draft to fill the ILB position. We may find a veteran OLB, allowing Brooks to move inside, or we'll get a vet to man the middle, or they are happy with James...... darkhorse maybe Ruud.

I'm sure it isn't going to be popular, but I wouldn't mind leaving Brooks outside, signing Ruud for a couple of years, then look for a project pass rusher or two to rotate on the outside.

I know we don't have any money to pick up free agents, but I bet they find some somewhere.
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Pro Football Focus ‏@PFF How productive a pass rusher was Connor Barwin last year? 40 QB disruptions on 533 pass rushes. 29th best score out of 32 3-4 OLBs
I don't consider these stats as always absolutely accurate. But, that seems about right to me. Just not a $6 million/year player.
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Texans need to adress the pass rush. Promoting merciless is not going to be enough IMO. I want to see if he has improved any since last year, because if he's not a much better player than he was last year and we're depending on him to be our primary edge rusher we're going to be screwed.

We need to get at least one more player that can actually beat OTs and not guys that are specialist in the clean up sack.
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I don't consider these stats as always absolutely accurate. But, that seems about right to me. Just not a $6 million/year player.
Since only $8M is guaranteed, isn't that more like a 1.33m/yr player? I thought only the guaranteed number matters
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This is exactly the scenario I and a lot of people have expected for a year now. Not a big surprise. Congrats to Connor for getting paid.

And I just found this from Rotoworld:

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Brooks Reed is expected to stick at outside linebacker this season.
If the Texans had retained Connor Barwin, Reed would have kicked inside next to Brian Cushing. Now that Barwin is an Eagle, Reed is needed in a pass-rushing and edge-setting role. He's posted just 8.5 sacks through his first two NFL seasons, but has been a quality defender against the run.
Edit: I just saw that John McClain was the source.
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We sign 2 FA players two years ago and have been in cap hell. The eagles assemble an entire dream team of top tier FAs 2 seasons ago, it didnt work out so they release half of them and are now on dream team version 2.0. WTF
And what do they have to show for it?
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This is exactly the scenario I and a lot of people have expected for a year now. Not a big surprise. Congrats to Connor for getting paid.

And I just found this from Rotoworld:



Edit: I just saw that John McClain was the source.
Damn..... if McClain says he's staying at OLB, that means he's going to be our starting FB.
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Since only $8M is guaranteed, isn't that more like a 1.33m/yr player? I thought only the guaranteed number matters
Only if your assuming you won't need to pay him the rest of the contract.

They are betting on him failing, Barwin is betting on himself succeeding.
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@taniaganguli: Numbers on this Eagles deal are close to what Barwin was offered pre-season by the #Texans. He didn't lose money by waiting.
Bull****. If he had been a FA that summer, someone looking to overpay like the Eagles would've offered 10+ mil.
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Bull****. If he had been a FA that summer, someone looking to overpay like the Eagles would've offered 10+ mil.
That's not what she was saying. The Texans offered Barwin a similar deal last summer (when he wasn't a free agent). Could he have signed for more money this summer had he been a free agent? Possibly. Barwin could have signed for more this offseason, had he picked up 20 sacks. So what? Neither of those scenarios apply.
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Gook luck Connor!!
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And what do they have to show for it?
That's actually the best possible answer anybody could have posted.

Impressive stuff. Would rep if I could.
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the whole 'numbers similiar to texans offered preseason' sounds like pr spin to me by barwins side. im guessing he was offered more by the texans but they know the texans would never admit that
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Since only $8M is guaranteed, isn't that more like a 1.33m/yr player? I thought only the guaranteed number matters
It all depends on how long he actually plays on that contract. If $8M is guaranteed over the first 2 years & he's cut prior to the third, he made $4M/yr.

If it's $8M guaranteed over the first two years, with $8M in compensation in that third year, and he plays that third year, then he made $5.3M/yr over those three years.

If it's $8M guaranteed over the first two years & he signs an extension that third year, say $24M guaranteed over the next three years, if it were me I would think I got paid $4M/yr for the first two years & I'm looking at $8M/yr over the next three years.

One more. Let's say it's $8M guaranteed over the first two years, but only guaranteed for injury. If that includes a $6M roster bonus & the stipulation is that he has to be on the roster at the start of the 2014 season, but the Eagles cut him before then, then he only got paid $2M for 2013.
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