Reasonable price for Barwin? *UPDATE* Signed by Eagles

[dc_txtech]

Originally Posted by TheDream34

Barwin's antics really statred to get on my nerves. I have no problem with a team wanting to have some fun, but throwing around letterman jackets for the world to see before a game against the New England Patriots is just unacceptable and it just shows that this team is not mentally ready play with the big boys of the NFL. No need to give good money to an average player with goofy looking hair.

Who gives a crap about hipster haircuts and letterman jackets? All I care about is how he performs on the field and last year he didn't play up to a big contract. I think the Texans offer him 3 to 4 million dollars a year and hope he takes the hometown discount.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

I think the Cowboys just put a franchise tag on Spencer.
Is that right or is it too early to do so?
I just glanced through that piece so I wasn't sure.

I say if we can get Shaun Phillips for less, we should do it and save the cap to roll over to take care of Watt and Cushing when the time comess

The season isnt over yet and the tag numbers havent been released yet.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Lucky

The season isnt over yet and the tag numbers havent been released yet.

Yeah, I checked it out and it was from last year.
Spencer is going to be expensive now.

[Big Lou]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

This is really a gauge of Richard Smith's performance. Barwin's future with the Texans will be front & center of this year's off season. Will Smith be able to land him? Or won't he? Will he have to overpay to keep him?

Did we fire Wade? Richard Smith is back?

[Norg]

we based on production and skill and future protentional


so that saying lets just let him walk and get it over with

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Big Lou

Did we fire Wade? Richard Smith is back?

Sorry.

Meant Rick.

[Insideop]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

I agree and should have said they cant discuss it until after the third year, which is next year.

After next year they will need to give him MAJOR money, or he could potentially hold out.

This should be the Texans top concern for next year but they have to start planning now. And who they resign this year will probably have a huge impact in what they can give to Watt next year. If Barwin or any of the others are asking too much the Texans should let them go test the market. If there are no takers for some then they can come back for lesser $$$. Personally, I would rather the Texans try to sign Quin and McCain than Barwin. Realistically, I know the Texans are going to lose some players every year they don't want to from now on because of the cap. They'll just have to keep restocking through the draft. But, they cannot lose Watt! He's just too good. A "once in a lifetime" player that's a game changer!

[Big Lou]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Sorry.

Meant Rick.

Just busting your chops, lol, but you did give me flashbacks, scared the crap out of me man!!!!!!

[BigBull17]

Originally Posted by IDEXAN

OK I'll bite: I expect Barwin gets a contract that averages 4 M a year over 4 to 5 years. Now only part of that will be guaranteed of course, but the "total compensation" will average 'bout 4 M a year. And that's market prices, so that meets my definition of "reasonable".

If they give his sorry ass 4m/year we're fooked. That would be a terrible contract.

[BigBull17]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Watt
Cushing
J Jo
Ninja
Manning

I don't know ... who you got at 6th?

I say close between Barwin and Reed?

Kareem
Quin
Reed
Barwin
James
Reliant turf monster
one legged crack head
Cody

[Rey]

Chose the lowest price because i couldn't go lower.

Do not want.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Rey

Chose the lowest price because i couldn't go lower.

Do not want.

I've seen this at least three times.... interesting.

So far, we've got 37 votes for $119M for an average of $3.2M

Which I could live with. However, if I were Barwin, I'd hold out for at least a 1 year $5M deal & get a do over. I'd probably do it if I were a Texan, if Wade wants him, but he would be the SOLB. If he's not good with playing that position, I'd let him walk.

I think he can get 5 to 8 sacks from that position. Probably the same as WOLB, but we need double digits from the WOLB & Barwin just isn't that guy.

Anyway. Thought I'd look up T-Sizzle's Contract. 6 Years, $62M or $10.3M/yr.

[HOU-TEX]

He'd test the market if he's wise. He should get someone to bite on a decent payday even with all the FA's Lucky pointed out. Considering he supposedly turned down an previous offer from the Texans, I highly doubt he'll like what he'll be offered this season. He made a mistake not accepting that offer and he likely lost out on millions.

I like the guy, but he's not producing up to what the position requires of him. I mean, Watt and Smith inside are taking the double teams leaving the outside with one on ones. I understand you can't win them all, but dadgum

[Dutchrudder]

I'd offer him a 1 year 4 million dollar deal as a "prove it" type of contract. If he really wants to stay in Houston, he can do well in 2013 and we can negotiate again next year. There's no point in giving him 4 years, 24 million with 12 guaranteed, which is what I think he will get offered by a needy team with lots of capspace. I don't think he's worth that much to the Texans right now.

[Hagar]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...n-2013/page/12

Here's an article on Barwin's estimated contract.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Watt
Cushing
J Jo
Ninja
Manning

I don't know ... who you got at 6th?

I say close between Barwin and Reed?

I'd put Glover Quin and Kareem Jackson ahead of Barwin .... TBH , Im more concerned with resigning Quin than Barwin.

I do believe that Barwin's role changed significantly after Cushing went down .... prior to that , he was almost always in attack mode going after the QB , post Cushing injury we saw him in coverage quite often chasing RB's around (not so much TE's) .... and he did a reasonably good job.

He didnt put up big sack numbers but he was getting pressure often getting there a half step late. I dont think he had as bad a year as some others do .... and wouldnt mind him returning at the right price (~3m-3.5m) tho I'd really have to see how that affects other positions - especially Quin.

[Luv_ya_blue]

A bag of magic beans and some Pop Rocks.

[BullBlitz]

I voted on the basis of what would be reasonable to pay Barwin within the Texans organization and their pay scale.

So, I voted $7 million, given the contract that they gave Matt Schaub last year on a hope and a dream that he would miraculously have a great 2012.

On the other hand, it would also be like them to just let him go like they did Leach. If they do, I hope he goes to the Colts, Patriots, Ravens or Broncos and be on a fast path to a Ring.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by BullBlitz

So, I voted $7 million, given the contract that they gave Matt Schaub last year on a hope and a dream that he would miraculously have a great 2012.

If Schaub played as well as we had hoped & we won the Super Bowl he'd be looking for $20M/yr like Flacco. Instead, we payed Schaub $12M/yr

How much do you think we should be paying a 12 win QB, a division champion QB, who played in the divisional round of the play offs?

He's had a 90% QBr since 2008, better than 60% completions since 2007. 4000 yards a season (even in winning seasons) or on pace for 4000 yards since the day he started for the Houston Texans.

How much do you think he should have been paid? Should we have just let him go?

Connor Barwin doesn't do crap in a contract year & you want to pay him $7M/yr or you hope he goes to another team & compete for a ring... how much do you think we should have paid Matt Schaub who has consistently been a better QB than Barwin has been a pass rusher over a longer period of time?

[BullBlitz]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

If Schaub played as well as we had hoped & we won the Super Bowl he'd be looking for $20M/yr like Flacco. Instead, we payed Schaub $12M/yr

How much do you think we should be paying a 12 win QB, a division champion QB, who played in the divisional round of the play offs?

He's had a 90% QBr since 2008, better than 60% completions since 2007. 4000 yards a season (even in winning seasons) or on pace for 4000 yards since the day he started for the Houston Texans.

How much do you think he should have been paid? Should we have just let him go?

Connor Barwin doesn't do crap in a contract year & you want to pay him $7M/yr or you hope he goes to another team & compete for a ring... how much do you think we should have paid Matt Schaub who has consistently been a better QB than Barwin has been a pass rusher over a longer period of time?

I couldn't care less about Schaub's QBR, his passing stats, or his pro bowls.

I see a QB that has been here for several years, wins low pressure regular season games, loses under the bright lights, and hasn't been enough of a difference to get the team to an AFC Title game, much less a Super Bowl.

I wouldn't have extended him last year. His contract wasn't up.