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Old 06-21-2005   #61
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I don't see much 'Carr hating' here. Why call people talking about the quarterback - and care to critique his game - "Carr haters"? What's with that?
C'mon Vinny, don't you know all of life is either black or white, zero on a test or 100? Either Carr is perfect or he is a bust. Either DD sucks or he is LT. We need to issue all of society the old MacPlus computers so they can remember there are shades of grey.
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Old 06-21-2005   #62
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C'mon Vinny, don't you know all of life is either black or white, zero on a test or 100? Either Carr is perfect or he is a bust. Either DD sucks or he is LT. We need to issue all of society the old MacPlus computers so they can remember there are shades of grey.
I'm not trying to say Carr is perfect just that he is better than some of the Bashers say he is. Is there still alot he has to learn YES. Is he the best in the game NO. But what he is in my mind is one of if not the best young QB in the entire NFL and that is a very good thing for a young franchise. One thing is for sure David IS the face of our franchise and as such I think that we (the fans) should support and believe in our player(s). Much the same can be said of DD, is he a Hall of fame back...No probobly not but he is a very good running back who can catch as well as he can run. But if you ask certain people around this message board like (NeedRBin05) they will just say he is terrible. It is good to have your own opinions and express them, that is what a message board is for but...it makes your point more valid if it can be backed up with facts instead of just spouting off about something or someone that you just simply do not like. When our O-Line is shored up we will have a pretty good idea of where David is at as a NFL QB until then it may be a little pre-mature to write off a QB or put him on a pedestal.
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I don't see much 'Carr hating' here. Why call people talking about the quarterback - and care to critique his game - "Carr haters"? What's with that?
There is a diffrence between critiqueing and bashing.

Example: Critique-Carr has the physical attributes to be a tough strong QB that is suprisingly fast and able to move out of the pocket and make plays using his leg. However at times he needs to settle down, step up into the pocket and trust (yea i know) his blockers to do there job so as to make the big plays down field.

Bashing-Carr has no pocket awarness and cant seem to find any open recievers down field. He cant read coverages and is to nervous to be an effective QB. Just because he can run dosent make him good, just look at vick,Mcnabb,Young and anyother Qb that was labled as a scrambler.
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I still don't see any Carr hatred or Carr bashing here. I see some rather intelligent insight and some homer posts, but I don't see any hatred. We talk a heck of a lot worse about some of our other players.
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C'mon Vinny, don't you know all of life is either black or white, zero on a test or 100? Either Carr is perfect or he is a bust. Either DD sucks or he is LT. We need to issue all of society the old MacPlus computers so they can remember there are shades of grey.
Thank you. Too bad for me my wife don't read these MB's!!!!!!!!
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The thing is, I dont see how anyone can bash Carr seeing what he has to work with. Yes, he does have AJ to throw 2, but he doesnt have a good #2. He also has a horrible pass protection. He has all the tools to become a great QB, but until we get him a solid #2 WR and decent pass protection we can never see his true potential. I dont think we can/should judge him until he has better talent around him.
The cream rises to the top or at least shows the potential to be that special player.

David Carr has done neither and will never be an elite NFL quarterback.

If he does not show great improvement this year then is it time to accept the fact that he will never get the Texans further than maybe a first round playoff loss.
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The cream rises to the top or at least shows the potential to be that special player.

David Carr has done neither and will never be an elite NFL quarterback.

If he does not show great improvement this year then is it time to accept the fact that he will never get the Texans further than maybe a first round playoff loss.

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This is a football message board. This is what happens (different people will have different opinions). We talk so badly about everyone else's game....Why don't I see you all upset about that? All the players are equal as humans.
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It's going to be an interesting year. Carr's got alot to prove.
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Ok, we're all stupid.

Yay Texans! You're the best! Carr is a Hall of Famer. 16-0 baby!

Is that better?

Why reject legitmate and constructive criticism from people who have watched football closely for dozens of years? Granted most of us have only played through high school or a few years of college ball, but to say that fans can't have an educated opinion about the game just because they haven't played at the highest level is ridiculous. Some of us have been watching football closely since the 60's and I think it's a bit presumptuous to basically tell fans they don't know what they are talking about unless they have played or coached.
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The cream rises to the top or at least shows the potential to be that special player.

David Carr has done neither and will never be an elite NFL quarterback.

If he does not show great improvement this year then is it time to accept the fact that he will never get the Texans further than maybe a first round playoff loss.
now thats true bashing... Im not even gonna try to dispute this, cause its apparent he is just a Carr hater. Just one thing, watch the Texans vs Vikes game from last year. That will show you some of Carrs potential.
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This is a football message board. This is what happens (different people will have different opinions). We talk so badly about everyone else's game....Why don't I see you all upset about that? All the players are equal as humans.
Fine lets talk about other peoples game.
I like DD. He is a hard tough runner that bears down and scraps out for every yard he gets. Thats why he has had back to back 1000 yard seasons without ever playing a full season. I like David Carr, I like gaffney I believe that he is a slightly above average player with decenst hands and speed, God help me i even like Bradford, throw him the ball on a slant and watch him run 80 yard for a TD.(and yes i know its the only time he can catch the ball) i like Chester Pitts and as bad as he played the first year the second year at tackle was like night and day. He is another player that beared down consintrated and work hard and you never hear him complain. I dont have an opinion on our current LT cause this is his second(if he starts in that position)year at LT and this might be a drastic improvement as well. I even like, are ya ready for it, Mckinney, there ya go, i said it, i feel Wands rough first year at tackle and Pitts helping Wand left Mckinney on an island.

I am a fan, a homer. I am such a homer that my first child is due during the Texans Bye week. My wife accuses me of planning it that way so i wont have to miss a game. (as long as she comes on time watch her be late).but i am supposed to be a homer. Thats why we have the Texans.

I am two things, a born bred Texan, and a Texan fan. Talk bad about either and you get an ear full.

But I guess that what message boards are for.

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now thats true bashing... Im not even gonna try to dispute this, cause its apparent he is just a Carr hater. Just one thing, watch the Texans vs Vikes game from last year. That will show you some of Carrs potential.
Carr threw for 16 TDs and 14 INTs in 2004. He has yet to show any big game ability. Yes he was able to put together a 372 yard, 3 TD game against a defensively poor Vikings, and two additional 2 TD games, but outside of that, he didn't throw more than one TD in a game. DC has shown great toughness during his brief NFL career. What he hasnít shown is an ability to get the ball in the endzone on a consistent basis.
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What he hasnít shown is an ability to get the ball in the endzone on a consistent basis.
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He has yet to show any big game ability.
It's tough to when you're eating turf. If they protect him this year all of the haters will be silenced. Well, after they finish their "I'ts about time he did something" rants.
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