For my Carr Haters....

[pittbull]

Name this QB in the comparison to Carr, as far as stats go!!!

Player "X" David Carr
ATT (474) (466)
Comp (288) (285)
PCT. (60.8) (61.2)
Yards (3,692) (3,531)
AVG. (7.79) (7.58)
TD "28" (16)
INT (14) (14)
Long (50yrd) (69yrd)
Rating (92.6) (83.5)
Sacks (26) (49)


Player "X" happens to be two-time Super Bowl QB Tom Brady. The gist of this email is to remind those haters out there, this is still a young franchise, with a more than capable QB, if given the right tools around him. Not many are going to be Dan Marino or Peyton Manning and put up HUGE numbers every year, but given the right talent around them, and an offensive line that protects, there are some that could be Joe Montana or Troy Aikman-like!(Look at Big-Ben!!!) Carr is well on his way, as long as the protection is there, our receiving corp develops, and a healthy backfield takes pressure off of long 3rd down attempts. He has shown the strong arm, guts, and has the intelligence to know what to do when given time. With all that said, look for Davie Franchise to have a breakout year, and get mentioned for Pro Bowl honors. Possibly attending with Johnson, Robinson, and Peek!

[Panther5407]

Those are some nice stats. Kinda hard to argue with that. Now imagine what Carr could do if his sack number was closer to Brady.

[Nawzer]

I've always backed David Carr. I never thought he was the main reason for our problems on offense. I think if he can get decent protection and find a dependable no.2 threat this season, his numbers and the team will be great.

[Texans Pride]

Pitt,

Nice post,

Hey, unless I am reading your stats wrong, you have David's TD/INT ratio incorrect. Carr had 16 TD's with 14 INT's. The way I am reading it, you have both at 16.

[pittbull]

Thanks TP, your right! Carr acutally had 14 INT's, so I might have hurt the thread a bit....lol But when you think of Carr being sacked so often and throwing under so much pressure, it's a wonder the TD-INT stat wasn't the other way around or worse!!!

[Texans Pride]

Originally Posted by pittbull

But when you think of Carr being sacked so often and throwing under so much pressure, it's a wonder the TD-INT stat wasn't the other way around or worse!!!

You got that right brother. . . you got that right!

[infantrycak]

It's fixed for you now.

[Double Barrel]

Excellent post, pittbull.

I shall use these numbers in my continuing effort to education those haters out there.

I've never understood the point of slamming DC, considering the extremely tough position he was put in from the beginning. I feel certain that whatever veteran QB we could have picked up in the first year would have suffered the same fate of 76 sacks.

[CoachJim]

Originally Posted by TexansNeedRBin05

Carr is awesome! You put him on say the Ravens they are a desnity!

I believe that'd be a dYnasty

[disaacks3]

Originally Posted by Panther5407

Those are some nice stats. Kinda hard to argue with that. Now imagine what Carr could do if his sack number was closer to Brady.

Imagine what our win total would be like if his TD total was closer as well! ..maybe we can kidnap an O-Line somewhere..

[ArlingtonTexan]

Those numbers don't mean much of anything. If you put Aaron brooks, Matt Hasslebeck's, and Jake Plummer's raw numbers up they will probably look better than Tom Brady's over the last three or four years.

I am one of those who is called a Carr hater, because I think carr is a starting NFL quality QB in the range of Brooks or Plummer. Carr still does not make consistent enough good decisions and is below average in pocket awareness, but is able to off set that with an above average arm, tough and better than expected running ability, and good leadreship skills. I just don't think he is elite and consistent. Like the guys mention above Carr can put up probowl type seasons, but will not do it year in, year out.

I taking the bait for this trip, and already know that Carr needs a better OL, a real 2nd Wr and more experience according to the normal rebuttals when these discussion goes on.

[Joe Texan]

He has the tools to do the job, He needs protection to give them time to get open, We were better at the run last year and I believe that was because you have to start something before you can learn it. We went into a completely new line scheme with the zone blocking. I believe we will do alot better this year and David should have some time to see his recievers.
I see a break out year coming and I will be there front and center.

[Davis37]

When Carr has time he can be amazing. Look back that the Minnesota game last year. Late in the game when Carr actually had time to go through his progressions, he picked the def apart. Im not saying that Carr is the next Montana, but I think if we ever fix the OL and get him a good #2 WR he could become the probowl QB everybody wants.

[TexansTrueFan]

I have some odd feeling carr will have more time this year, even though we have the same O-Line as last year.

[Davis37]

If the running game is as good as it was at the end of the year last year, then he should have a much better year. If the def has to key in on the running game, then it will open up alot of things for Carr and the WR's. Play action should buy Carr alot of time also.

[Big B Texan Fan]

I like Carr. I find myself defending him alot these days though. And I'm having to with people who know their football. He does lack some tools like pocket presence but Marino lacked escapability. I had an argument with a guy for at least a half hour cuz he thought he was a sissy cuz he wore his wedding ring on the field and because he does'nt cuss. I thought my ears were gonna start bleeding. I'd would like to see the Texans get a back-up next year that will get his butt scared though. That is unless he goes for 4000+ with 24+ TD's >10 Int's and 20-24 sax with 'bout 200-250 yrd rushing (scrambling). Alot of you guys might be thinking...whoa, that's TOO many yards rushing but with our O-Line....C'mon. Besides, he's got the ability. He might as well use it. As long as he can remember to slide.

[Davis37]

Its hard to have pocket presence when there isnt a pocket...

[bigtex77]

Originally Posted by Davis37

Its hard to have pocket presence when there isnt a pocket...

Very true!!

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Davis37

Its hard to have pocket presence when there isnt a pocket...

Very true, but there are times when he could learn to slide one or two steps to assist the OL instead of going into full flight mode. Lord knows he has reason to run screaming much of the time but he could improve in this area.

[ArlingtonTexan]

Originally Posted by Davis37

Its hard to have pocket presence when there isnt a pocket...

No really..the two are more integrated than that. If a Qb drops to far, does not drop far enough, runs to the side, runs too quickly, or does not release the ball when he is supposed then it looks like the OL is not givng him time when the QB is making the mistake.

IM0, the combination of OL's below average pass protection and Carr's average at best pocket presence is the combination that makes the sack total so poor. QBs such Manning and Brady who are above average in thier pocket awareness make their average to slightly above average OLs look a heck of a lot better than they really are.