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Old 06-15-2005   #1
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This may be just me, but I think High Schoolers should have the same options that NBA players entering the draft do...

Think about it, football is a major-contact sport, and if a player doesn't want to risk 3-4 more years of injuring then why not allow him to enter as a senior in high school?

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The college thing is better. You go to college, and can decided to have a degree to fall back on, plus like you said, its a contact sport. Going from getting hit by a high school kid isnt going to be near the level being hit by the likes of people like Ray Lewis. You have to much to learn and develope between our high school and pro playing days.
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Unless a kid is on steroids there is no way that his body is mature enough to handle th leap from highschool to the pros. I really dont think that there is anyway a kid could be smart enough, fast enough , or strong enough to make that leap. The only way I could see that happen was with a kicker that could kick 50+ yards as a senoior, but any other scenario is almost impossible.
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Having highschoolers in the NFL would only lead to a bunch of teens crying after they got run over or crushed by a defender.
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Men stop filling out around 25 years old, so most teens have a long way to go before they reach full blown maturity physically. High School players wouldn't make it in the NFL for the most part. Since the collective barganing agreement maintains that you must be at least a few years removed from your HS graduation it will never happen anyway. The decision has already stood up in Court a few times.
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I'm not a supporter of it but I refuse to believe that Adrian Peterson couldn't have a 1,000 yard season in the NFL after having almost 2,000 yards in one of the tougher conferences in the country his first year out of high school.

I realize he's an exception and they won't ever make the rule (nor should they). But there are exceptions. And when you have enough of them, then you have evidence to make an argument. They just don't have enough exceptions (and I don't predict they will anytime soon).
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I don't like the NFL's rule myself. I think they are doing more than protecting the so-called best interests of the kids. They are protecting their farm system.
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It's just another case of what's best from the legal aspect and what's best from the realistic aspect. The fact that it's the best situation for the HS and at the same time the NFL can protect it's own interests, tells me there really isn't anything wrong with it.
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I personally think that things should remain the way they are and I'm pretty sure they will cause of the simple fact of the matter is that.. like someone stated earlier.. being for instance a 5'10 170 lb or a 6'0 180 Reciever getting hit by 5'10, 180 Safety (Joe Smith) in High School is nothing like getting hit by 6'0, 226 lb Roy Williams or 6'1, 220 lb Rodney Harrison or 6'0, 215 lb Brain Dawkins in th NF..

And if you were a RB one minute you look across and see a 6'0 210 LB and then the next year you look across and see.. 6'3 260 Terrell Suggs or 6'3 250 Joey Porter. You're body's not mature enough for that as a senior in High school.. i dont even think is ready for that after your first year in college.. After the Sophmore Season then maybe then.. but not a moment sooner..

cause if you a 5'9 165 Reciever and you look across the line of scrimmage and see 6'1 205 lb Chris McCallister or maybe 6'2 210 Gary Baxter its not gone be a pretty site I can guarantee it..

All these kids need time to grow and get stronger to where they would be able to compete for a roster spot or playing time or whatever the case maybe.. Cause coming out of the High School and going to the NFl you prolly wont make the NFL Roster anyway.. you have those VERY VERY few exceptions.. like Adrian Peterson and Cedric Benson that are NFL ready protypical backs but you wont see too many of them.. NOOOO QB is ready to come from the High School Ranks to the NFL..

So overall I think that it's best for them to have to be outta high school at least 2 years before they can be allowed to decare for the draft..
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Marvin Harrison is 6'0, 175.
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as I stated.. there are VERY VERY RARE exceptions.. but how many Marvin Harrison do you think there will be?
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I could list a number of successful WRs in the NFL that don't top out the scales. Point is, the WR position doesn't take a beating like RBs or QBs (kinda like how you used two RBs as your exceptions). 'Course, Warrick Dunn blows that theory out of the water.

I share your viewpoint (they're simply not ready) but it doesn't have anything to do with height/weight. The body has to become accustomed to taking that kind of physical abuse and that takes time.
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yeah I agree that the size and height does play the ultimate factor but sometime WRs are put in a position in the middle of the field where you will eventualy see Roy Williams, Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, Tank Williams, Lavar Arrington, Brian Dawkins or Rodney Harrison.. and while your body may be accustomed to takin punishment from people in High School... the Pros completely different.. in my opinion College is completely different from High school..

and then you go from 10 - 14 including playoff games as a HS player.. then you go to the NFL where you have 20-24 games including preseason and playoffs its just not smart to try it, not wit the low level of competition that HS provide compared to the NFL..

But overall tho.. we're pretty much on the same page..
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awhile ago i saw this debate before the 2004 NFL draft.on SportsCenter. Every coach that ESPN interviewed said that high schoolers are not ready if they went from high school to the NFL.and all of them said they wouldnt ever draft a high school player.



and I agree with that.
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you say that but what if a Lebron James football version type player came along...say 6'4" 300 lbs kid who ran a 4.6 and was a D-Lineman....there is no way in H3LL that you would not take that kid straight outta high school rather than risking the extra 2-4 years in college?

and don't tell me size makes a huge difference because, going to the NBA, no one thought Sebastion Telfair was going to be the next great point guard for the Blazers, but once D. Staudimire leaves watch out...also 5'11" Jameer Nelson is a great example..now he's playing great in Orlando....what about a player like Kirk Hinrich, a slow unathletic white kid(not a styreotypical MJ or LJ) but this kid is playing unbeleivable ball..

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how bout everyones favorite (haha) warrick dunn....this kid is no bigger than me yet he has put up 1000 yard seasons...and hes not a blaze running either!
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Starting in 2006, High school football players will have the same option as high school basketball players since an age limit's being placed in next year's draft.
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They are protecting their farm system.
Yep the college game is really nothing but a farm system. I think that in the long-run more players develop in the college game, but there is part of me that thinks it is total exploitation by the universities and the NFL.
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Starting in 2006, High school football players will have the same option as high school basketball players since an age limit's being placed in next year's draft.
Where did you hear this?
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you say that but what if a Lebron James football version type player came along...say 6'4" 300 lbs kid who ran a 4.6 and was a D-Lineman....there is no way in H3LL that you would not take that kid straight outta high school rather than risking the extra 2-4 years in college?

and don't tell me size makes a huge difference because, going to the NBA, no one thought Sebastion Telfair was going to be the next great point guard for the Blazers, but once D. Staudimire leaves watch out...also 5'11" Jameer Nelson is a great example..now he's playing great in Orlando....what about a player like Kirk Hinrich, a slow unathletic white kid(not a styreotypical MJ or LJ) but this kid is playing unbeleivable ball..

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how bout everyones favorite (haha) warrick dunn....this kid is no bigger than me yet he has put up 1000 yard seasons...and hes not a blaze running either!
I wouldnt take the 6'4" kid strait out of high school. I take the 6'4" kid coming out of college that has had more time to learn and develope all his skills becoming more complete. On my team at my school, we have a Rb that ran for over 1,800 yards (as a sophomore) and had around a 6-8 yard average but wouldnt be able to play strait out of high school. Plus, how well would a DE fair against people like Pace, Ogden, and other top o lineman in the leauge, the jump from a high school tackle to a all pro taclke would destroy them automatically, when going from a high school kid to maybe a alex barron then to a pace they would be able to fair much better. college is where you prepare for the pros, high school you just have enough time to learn all that you need to.
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no one thought Sebastion Telfair was going to be the next great point guard for the Blazers, but once D. Staudimire leaves watch out
he was good, that is why he was drafted in the first, but people said he wasn't ready and him not playing that much has shown that. we has the skills but is still learning the game. its a different game and the situation is different for both sports. they shouldn't let kids do it anyway because of how many kids make the wrong decision and declare for the nba even though they aren't ready and go undrafted.
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