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Old 01-18-2013   #21
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What would draftniks think about letting Quin walk, using that $$$$ to sign a WR like Wallace and drafting a 2 new S in the 3rd rd. This draft is deep in S and Wallace/jennings has proven to be far more valuable than Quin has been.
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What would draftniks think about letting Quin walk, using that $$$$ to sign a WR like Wallace and drafting a 2 new S in the 3rd rd. This draft is deep in S and Wallace/jennings has proven to be far more valuable than Quin has been.
You could I suppose but if they did might consider upgrading talent with a 1st or 2nd then add another developmental cb/s later.
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I like alot of the players you've chosen but your draft is very heavy on the defensive side of the ball. With the very serious injury to Posey and he most likely not playing next season I'd sure like to see a better WR taken and way earlier than 5b. I also like Watson in the 4th but would like to see high quality OG in the 3rd, I think we'll need 2 O-line picks in the first 5 rounds. And HELL NO to Mathieu, he's undersized, been out of football to long, and a drug dealer. You guys that keep picking Mathieu in your mocks are drafting a memory of what he used to be hoping that he might be that play maker again. Rick Smith said last year the Texans would forgive and pick a player with 1 discretion on his record but not a player with repeated discretions for the same offense. Mathieu failed 3 drug tests to get kicked off the LSU team and then got arrested for being a drug dealer, that's 4 discretions for the same thing, drugs.
OFFENSE
We have 5 Offensive players who are upcoming FA's. The only one who starts is Casey at FB. The others are Forsett, Butler, Caldwell and Ryan Harris. Fullback isn't the hardest position to fill and remember we still have Clutts. You can pick up good ones late in the draft. Round 7 Zach Line, FB, Southern Methodist James Casey replacement/insurance

Forsett played well but he may want to go somewhere where he can get more carries. Easily replaced on the cheap in FA or late in the draft if he want's too much. Foster and Tate mean the RB position is in good shape.

Butler and Harris who both play T most likely are gone. Neither can stay healthy and are not deserving of a roster spot. That leaves Newton, Brown as the starters with only Gardner (RFA) backing them up. So I would say T is a priority but how much? We already have our two starters. We need a quality swing T.

Caldwell is the only G on the list. Should we lose him. We still have Brandon Brooks (rookie) who should only get better. Wade Smith, a veteran who is locked in at LG. Ben Jones another promising rookie and Cody White another Rookie. I don’t see us adding another Rookie G unless Wade Smith is a surprise cut.

As far as adding skill players to the offense.

You can only utilize so many weapons on offense with a QB like Schaub. He already has three of the best at three different positions. How many do you need when he doesn’t even go past his second read option? I just don’t see a rookie WR coming in and having any real impact with Schaub at QB. Now if you want to add upgrade TE I could see that. We all saw what kind of an impact Graham had when he wasn’t in the game. We run a lot of two TE sets and OD takes a beating and is getting up there in age.

So we have a FB (Casey)that may be gone but most likely not. Easily replaced. One G (Caldwell) that isn’t a starter anymore most likely leaving. Depth easily replaced. One OT (Butler) that couldn’t stay healthy and is gone forsure. Quality Depth needed. One OT (Harris) who never really was on the team is likely gone. Depth easily replaced. One third string RB. Depth Easily replaced.

Our offense scored 26 PPG/ 8TH - 372 YPG/7TH - 239 PASS YPG/11TH 132 RUSH YPG/8TH. That’s the offense is a nutshell. I hate using stats but these clearly show our offense as a whole is not bad. I’m not sure how much better it could be with added weapons as long as Schaub is our QB.

He is who he is. The best thing we could do to help him is to improve the running game. That should improve with the right side gaining experience and jelling together. Adding another rookie to the starting mix isn’t going to help IMO and I would bet that is Kubiaks opinion as well.


DEFENSE
We have 13 defensive players who are upcoming FA's. We’ll go with 12 since I don’t know who Keyaron Fox even is.

NT Shaun Cody UFA
He isn't a run stuffer and he doesn’t add anything as a pass rusher. He doesn’t even push the pocket back. He can and should be replaced. Imagine how good Watt could be with someone that could draw some attention away from him playing next to him. SCARY!!!!

OLB Connor Barwin UFA
Barwin suffered from a lack of interior rush. (CODY) He is still young and had a very good year last year. Young athletic pass rushers with solid resumes aren’t cheap on the FA market. The money it would take to sign him can be used to improve another spot. We have Reed, Brahman and Mercilous which is a solid rotation and a another young prospect can be added via the draft.

OLB Jesse Nading UFA
Doesn’t really fit in and most likely gone.

ILB Tim Dobbins UFA
Dobbins is a special teams captain and short-yardage LB. I can see him being brought back specifically for those purposes. That is the extent of his worth.

ILB Bradie James UFA
Do I really need to say anything here. I will anyway. He is horrible!!!!! Goodbye!!!!!

ILB Barrett Ruud UFA
We brought him in off the street and he looked ok as a pass rusher but took poor angles and allowed huge running lanes for opposing RB’s. He also got burned in pass coverage A LOT. Bye bye!

CB Alan Ball UFA
Ball is a very good special teamer and decent player. Could be replaced but should be cheap and most likely returns for cheap.

CB Brice McCain UFA
I think the lack of pass rush hurt his game more than anyone else's. Asking CB’s to cover slot WR’s man to man for more than few seconds in today’s NFL is asking for failure. Bring him back and improve the pass rush and this defense is right back where it was last year. Top 5!!

CB Stanford Routt UFA
Brought in because of injuries. Won’t be back.

S Quintin Demps UFA
See Bbrady James.

S Glover Quin UFA
How good is Quin really? Is he worth the kind of money he’s likely to get offered in FA? I would say we need to draft a quality safety even if we are going to resign him. There is no quality depth at all at safety. Imaging if Manning or Quin went down for an extended amount of time. This is a deep draft at safety and we need to get one whether we resign Quin or not. Cinci has 50 million dollars to spend in FA and its said that they want a S. Something to keep and eye on.

So I would say that makes 2 starters that we need to replace with another starter.
Cody and Bradie James.
And 1 starter that we need to replace with either a quality backup or starter.
Quin
And 1 starter who we need to replace with at least a prospect for depth.
Barwin
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What would draftniks think about letting Quin walk, using that $$$$ to sign a WR like Wallace and drafting a 2 new S in the 3rd rd. This draft is deep in S and Wallace/jennings has proven to be far more valuable than Quin has been.
Not WR or Wallace in particular but that is what my mock is about. Replacing our FA's that are going to cost us too much with draft choices appropriately and using the money in FA to upgrade the overall depth.
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Skov isn't going pro. Returning to Stanford for another year FWIW.
In that case

My draft with FA considerations.

Its well known that we are up against the cap and wonít be able to go after any high dollar FAís. This is how I would approach the upcoming offseason. I believe to an extent this is how Smithiak will approach it also. Look at last year. Did anyone see us letting go of Breisal and Cave man? Mario? All in the same offseason? It has sbeen said we model ourselves after NE and what does NE do every year. Let their over valued FAís walk and replace them in the draft with young versatile players. Then they use the money saved to get FAís they covet.

This mock is based on that premise.


1 Kawann Short, DT, Purdue A Smith insurance and Cody replacement.
Why, we already have A Smith and he played well this year? He is over 30 and he is a FA after next year. His eventual replacement needs to be found now.

How this helps the team.

It adds another high quality Dlineman that specializes in penetration to add to the rotation up front. He is versatile enough to play all three positions. He played all over the line at Purdue. He could start in place of Cody right off the bat IMO. At worst you now have solid depth off the bench to relieve Mitchell and a getting older Smith.

2 Chase Thomas, LB, Stanford C Barwin replacement

How this would help the team.

First off it will save us from having to spend too much money on Barwin. Money we can spend elsewhere.

Why? We already have Mercilous, Reed, Brahman and Barwin. Barwin didnít have a great year but will still likely get a high dollar offer on the open market. Pass rushers are a premium in todays NFL. Especially young ones in their prime. You can never have enough good pass rushes.
How this helps the team. Obviously it gives us another good young pass rusher to add into the mix but it also gives us a smart player that could move easily move inside so he also adds versatility.

3 Robert Lester, S, Alabama R Quin replacement

This will save us from having to spend too much money on Quin. Money we can spend elsewhere. He is the most likely of our FAís to receive an offer that we wonít want to match.

How this helps the team.

Lester has started the last 4 years at Alabama facing the best the SEC has had to offer and came out looking pretty. He could have been a first round pick had he came out last year. Lucky for us that his numbers were down this year and itís a deep draft at safety. He has all the right intangibles to replace Quin without any drop off in production. Actually he is probably better at attacking the ball.

3 Zac Dysert QB

4 Menelik Watson, OT, Florida State

Why so late on the OL?

Because what good is it going to do to draft an OL early in this draft? Are you going to start him next year? You really want to start a rookie again? I know the right side of the line didnít play up to the standard of the guys the year before. Did Breisal and Wisnton play up top that standard in their first year? This OL scheme takes time to learn. The guys we have now will be the starters next year it wont be another rookie you can book that.

How this helps the team.

Watson is young and inexperienced. He is a project which is the only reason a guy with his physical abilities is available this late in the draft. He is a straight up beast with amazing agility for a guy his size. He looks like D Brown body wise. Give this guy a couple of years and he could be a monster. Maybe with good coaching he can replace Newton or move inside and take over after Smiths contract expires.

5 Kwame Geathers, NT, Georgia Cody insurance
Why a big guy? Because we could use some sand in our pants on goal line and third and short situations. Itís a fifth round pick that could end up turning into something special. At worst he could be used in special situations.

5 Brandon Kaufman WR Eastern Washington

Heís a two-time FCS All-American. The 6-4, 215-pound Kaufman is coming off a remarkable season in which he caught 93 passes for 1,850 yards and 16 TDs.
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A young protťgť for Andre Johnson with good size

6 Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU

I know people are going to say no way he last this long. I say he will be lucky to go here. He really wasnít that great at CB. He is getting drafted here simply for his return abilities. Heís a specialist with a checkered past. I would put him through an intense interview before I would even draft him here. For the sake of my mock he convinced me that his past is just that and he wants to play football more than anything else in the world.

7 Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico

Brooks Reedís little big brother. We could use another TE with good size and athleticism and he has good blood lines.

7 Zach Line, FB, Southern Methodist James Casey replacement/insurance

If Casey gets an offer hes not worth then Oh well. Line is going to have to add some bulk and power to be a true fullback in the NFL but should be a better lead blocker right now than Casey. He is one of the most productive running fullbacks to come out in some time. Line ran for 1,224 yards (5.9 average) and 17 touchdowns as junior last year. He ran for 1,494 yards with an average of 6.1 yards per carry and 10 touchdowns in 2010, also catching 17 passes for 163 yards.

And for you badboy

Line runs with power and has a style similar to Stanford's Toby Gerhart in the 2010 NFL Draft.


I hate that I couldn't fit Zac Dysert in here somewhere. I have been wanting him for the last two years. I just don't see Kubiak drafting a QB in this draft. There is alot of talent but they ALL have too big of question marks against them. I really want Dysert though. Im afraid after the offseason gets going and people start looking at him he is going to move way up the draft out of our reach.
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I need a qb mussop.
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You were getting on me about an ILB. You don't even have one in your draft at all. And you have two nose tackles? And you got one me about picking n OLB so early and you took one a round later than me.
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At least 4 decent-good players on the list.

Don't know enough of some others on it, so I was hesitant to comment.
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I thought Skov was a senior and didn't have another year of eligibility. Was he Red Shirted?
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You were getting on me about an ILB. You don't even have one in your draft at all. And you have two nose tackles? And you got one me about picking n OLB so early and you took one a round later than me.
Whoa there fella. I wasn't getting on you. I was just debating your strategy. That's what these forums are for. It would be boring as hell here if everyone just agreed about everything. Don't get your feelings hurt.

If you read my mock I like Thomas because he can play inside or out. I think he can start inside right away and he's versitile enough to play outside when needed.

One of the NT's ( short ) is Smiths eventual replacement at DE. Right now our front seven is very thin. Smith, Watt, Cushing, Reed, Barwin, are the only starters that are noteworthy. Smith has a huge contract and is on the wrong side of 30. Cushing is coming off a major injury. Barwin IMO is gone via FA. This area has to be upgraded.

Pretty much no matter who you put at WR isn't going to make much of an impact. In fact all you are doing by adding more offensive weapons around schaub is putting more pressure on him to win games.
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No urgency to get a #2 WR.... We have been putting it off for 3-4 years and some still are apathetic at the idea of Shaub having more weapons to throw to. Other than Kevin freakin' Walter. Hell, it might help our offense, who knows???
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I'm fine with you critiquing my draft. And I was just debating you as well.
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