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Old 01-14-2013   #41
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sadly Kubes is bassicaly our QB and he uses

Schaub
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has his robtic arm and if aint broke dont change it in Kubes eyes 12 wins and a PLayoff wins aint broke so i expect Schaub to be our QB next year with a shorter leash on thats about it
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Thats college...against Rice. Doesn't translate to the NFL.
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Doesnt matter, its still pretty impressive to throw 9 TDs
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????????Granted it was in college, but Keenum had a 70% completion rate, 155 passing TDs (with additional 23 rushing TDs) / 46 INTs, 160 QB rating
And nobody drafted him.
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Doesnt matter, its still pretty impressive to throw 9 TDs
Perhaps, but its still against Rice...

And it doesn't tell how well he will do in the NFL. Impress me in the NFL I say.
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Some sources say he's 6', others 6'1" and others 6'2". That's in the Drew Brees to Joe Montana/Steve Young range......

I'm intrigued by a mobile qb, with a strong/accurate arm.
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Perhaps, but its still against Rice...

And it doesn't tell how well he will do in the NFL. Impress me in the NFL I say.
Alot of guys played against Rice, but they didn't have 9 tds. Kurt Warner lit up arena league playing against what you guys would call scrubs and that translated. just sayin
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The main criticisms of Keenum by scouts were commonly related to the unknown factors. He never did a three or five step drop. He didn't play under center. He played in a spread offense. He was a system QB.

To me, those reasons aren't good enough to dismiss his upside. His accuracy at least qualifies him for a shot as a backup.

Another reason he went undrafted is because his throwing performance at the combine was affected by a hamstring pull.

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For the 24-year-old, Monday was about showcasing his true abilities after being hampered by a hamstring injury at the NFL scouting combine in February. The Abilene native revealed that he strained his right hamstring running his second 40-yard dash at the combine and that it affected his throwing during drills. On Monday, there were no ill effects from the injury, as Keenum whizzed pass after pass to receivers on a variety of patterns, showed capable arm strength and displayed his athleticism with a 4.31-second time in the 20-yard shuttle and 6.89 seconds in the three-cone drill. He also put up a solid 18 repetitions on the bench press. "It was very important for me to show these guys that (at the combine), that was not me," Keenum said. "I have very high standards for myself and I believe in my abilities tremendously and I think I wasn't at my best. I wanted to go out there and compete. That's what I do."
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And he fully intends to be a starter in the league:

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"I'm blessed to be where I'm at, obviously," he said. "But content? No. I won't be content to be a backup. I won't be content just being a starter. I won't be content with just playing. I want to be a big part of the team, and I want to contribute and win games and win championships."
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It is obvious that Schaub will be under center at the beginning of next season, his job essentially protected by his guaranteed 2nd year contract......and the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990. It would not surprise me at all, though, if Keenum claims #2.


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I definitely am curious how he develops from year 1 to 2. I have no confidence in Yates whatsoever to develop into a top 10 starter in the league. I'm a huge Tyler Wilson fan though and would love to draft him.
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Case is not an nfl qb. His arm is average, he was injury prone to boot.
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Case is not an nfl qb. His arm is average, he was injury prone to boot.
Even as a backup?
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Case is not an nfl qb. His arm is average, he was injury prone to boot.
He had one injury in college and his arm looks decent enough. Better than we have now.

Chances are he's not our future QB. I'm not sure how many teams in the NFL have had an undrafted player as their starting QB, but not many I'm sure. But maybe he'll surprise people. I'm interested to see him in the preseason.
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Case is not an nfl qb. His arm is average, he was injury prone to boot.
Heh got to have a bit more reasoning than this because you just described Matt Schaub lol.

As for Keenum, who knows. I like his approach and personality but to achieve what he seeks will take a lot of hard work on his part. Will say much about his character if he can pull it off and becoming something in this league. I'll be rooting for the kid to get it done but all is against him on this one. But you never know what can happen. We have heard stranger stories taking place.
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The main criticisms of Keenum by scouts were commonly related to the unknown factors. He never did a three or five step drop. He didn't play under center. He played in a spread offense. He was a system QB.
In Bold: I think that is such BS! Not the post but the fact that he didn't play under center so he didn't get evaluated. I know you are correct on the statement because it happens every year, but the fact "experts" say just because he didn't play under center, he cannot play?

How many times do you see Manning under center? As for a "system" QB, nobody is a bigger "system" QB than Tom Brady. Matt Cassell proved that fact by going 11-5 for NE then doing nothing outside the Pats system offense. Rodgers, Rothlisberger, Rivers take the majority of their snaps in a shotgun formation.

If a HC and OC are smart and can check their egos, which is asking allot, they build an offense around the QB that is effective and productive, like Carroll did in Seattle, like Shannahan did in Washington. That is why you will not see that kind of QB under Kubiak. He won't change his offense to fit his talent, and he is too egotistic to create an offense to the QB's strengths...
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In Bold: I think that is such BS! Not the post but the fact that he didn't play under center so he didn't get evaluated. I know you are correct on the statement because it happens every year, but the fact "experts" say just because he didn't play under center, he cannot play?

How many times do you see Manning under center? As for a "system" QB, nobody is a bigger "system" QB than Tom Brady. Matt Cassell proved that fact by going 11-5 for NE then doing nothing outside the Pats system offense. Rodgers, Rothlisberger, Rivers take the majority of their snaps in a shotgun formation.

Ever heard of Charlie Weiss? Josh Mcdaniels? Bill O'Brien? You know who these guys are? Three completely different OC's the Patriots have had.

That's "three different offensive systems" that Tom Brady has had to play with a plethora of different weapons in all of those systems he played in. Hell, he's gone back and forth into Mcdaniels system to O'Brien, and then back to Mcdaniels system this season just this season.

You are completely off base here and have no freaking idea about Tom Brady and the Patriots to say that he's nothing but a system QB. If anything he is the most anti system QB in this league considering the fact that he has flourished in 3 different systems, and not just one like you tried to insinuate. BB is a defensive minded coach and always has been. If you want to blast Kubiak and Schaub at least use some examples that illustrate what you're trying to convey.


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If a HC and OC are smart and can check their egos, which is asking allot, they build an offense around the QB that is effective and productive, like Carroll did in Seattle, like Shannahan did in Washington. That is why you will not see that kind of QB under Kubiak. He won't change his offense to fit his talent, and he is too egotistic to create an offense to the QB's strengths...

This part may actually be true, but you don't know that for sure. I tend to think it is, Shanahan is hardly an example of this.
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Wonder how far Matt can throw a ball? I like to see him heave one on a field and see what he has.........
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Doesnt matter, its still pretty impressive to throw 9 TDs
Timmy Chang and Colt Brennan did it all the time. Graham Harrell and Kliff Kingsbury did it too. Were you impressed with any of them?
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Wonder how far Matt can throw a ball? I like to see him heave one on a field and see what he has.........
Not the best test though tbf, it's about accuracy whilst heaving it, I have no doubt he has the outright strength to throw an impressive distance, can he drop it into the hands of a moving target an impressive distance away though? His lack of confidence to do just that would tell me he can't. When the Texans got the ball back on the last drive you'd think a Hail Mary to AJ followed by an onside kick was the best option. They dinked and dimed and kept the chains (and clock) moving.
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Case ...His arm is average...
Based on what? Both Kubiak and Dorrell say Case has a "big arm."

Reports of Case's "weak" arm came from the combine where he pulled his hamstring before throwing. Everything I've read said Keenum dispelled those concerns at his pro day.
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