Schaub and Wade Phillips

[AJ-80]

Originally Posted by Rey

Schaubs targets aren't terrible. Just another deflection by schaub apologist.

Matt Shaub's targets aren't terrible? Am I reading that correctly? Andre Johnson. Then who???

[Norg]

right now i feel like

Wade is badass Hes the one who drafted JJ WATT

Schaub is who he is OLD n slow a Good game manger can destory Scrub teams but when he takes on the elite Dees forget about it

ANd kubes my gwad this game he dissapointed me u might has well put kubes and scahub in the same boat since Schaub is litteraly the robtic arm of kubes

[midway]

Originally Posted by AMartin56

Fun drinking game...watch the other playoff teams and take a drink every time their QB makes a throw that Schaub can't make.

It won't just be the Mannings, Bradys and Rogers of the world getting you drunk. Athletic QBs like Wilson and Kapernick that can also win games with their feet are putting balls with more zip into tighter windows than Schaub can despite the experience gap.

Dude, I don't want alcohol poisoning.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

Ya, you won't see Ray Lewis or Ellerbe out wide against Shane Vareen ala Barrett Ruud and Bradie James. How Wade thought that would work is beyond me.

Most likely Wade did not think it would work.

Someone on the Pats sideline, or maybe Brady, noticed in particular situations the Texans will man up across the board. More than likely they gambled, with our strong tendencies, they called that play. That's part of the Patriots package. Almost predictable in itself. You'll see it next week if they think the Ravens are going to go man across the board.

Some defenses have the flexibility to change on the fly, but most do not. In that situation, anyone try to change their defense & Brady will have the ball snapped.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Rey

Manning and Rodgers have both shown the ability to play at an elite level for multiple games and in big games.

Schaub has done neither.

They may not have had great games this weekend but you and 76 making these comparisons is just silly.

Don't put words in my mouth. I am not comparing Schaub to Manning & Rogers. My point should have been clear, losing in the divisional round does not mean Matt has reached his ceiling.

Originally Posted by Rey

No one here can say for absolute certainty that schaub definitely can't win.

That is exactly what they are saying. We can't win with Schaub when it counts.

Originally Posted by Rey

The way you guys talk you make it sound lime a toss up.

Schaub would be last on everyones list out of the three and for good reason. Please stop bringing them up in defense if schaub because it's asinine.

Not at all. I do not like Schaub.


My objection to the criticism Matt is getting, is that As a player, he's shown enough snap & ability to play this game at a high level despite his limitations. & my eyeball does not see anything wrong with his foot or his ability to plant, run, or anything other than the issues his clumsy ass has always had.

I don't think he's a winner. But it has nothing to do with his physical limitations. There are ways around them, he's on a short list of people who've thrown for as many yards as he has while maintaining a 90+ QBR.

If we're going to argue a reason to get another QB, the argument should be about "it" as hard as it is to make that argument. His weak arm isn't anything new. His lack of mobility isn't anything new. Kubiak new all that before they extended him.

Kubiak don't trust Schaub..... preposterous. There's something else going on & we just don't know what it is.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

Who cares about passing yards? Your focusing on the wrong thing. Watch the football game and tell me if he made plays or not. That's what matters. Stats are what people who didn't watch the game or couldn't understand what they watched use to try to understand the game. Put the box score down and watch the damn game.

When he was put into a position to succeed, yes, he made the plays that needed to be made. The TD pass to Casey couldn't have been better. The TD pass to Posey couldn't have been better. When we saw 3 WRs on the field, we were able to move the ball with relative ease.

When he was in his 2 TE sets, he struggled. Routes took too long to develop, pass protection didn't hold up, & he had to resort to doing things we know he can't do..

We should have been in 3+ receiver sets from that 2 minute drill in the second half on.

I can understand Kubiak's apprehension to scoring too quick, but we had to score first.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by AJ-80

Matt Shaub's targets aren't terrible? Am I reading that correctly? Andre Johnson. Then who???

His targets are fine. However, there is very little to stretch the defense. Even AJ is not the deep threat or breakaway threat he once was. We need a WR with some serious speed and playmaking potential. Or, at least, an athletic tight end that can run away from LBs and most safeties (there are a couple, by the way, forecast to go late in the 1st round in some mocks).

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

First of all, Schaub has been exposed. He can't consistently make plays or even be expected to start a game on point. He is holding this offense back tremendously with his physical limitations and honestly his decision making.

Wade Phillips needs to adapt or get fired. Welker and Hernandez killed man coverage in the regular season matchup and what do we do today, more man coverage. News flash Wade, you can't use that much man coverage against the Pats. It was clear in the regular season and its even clearer now. What's up with us putting an ILB out on running backs when they line up out wide as receivers? They recognize it and get huge plays every single time. Wade did a horrible job preparing for this game and then adjusting to the game as it went on. Our secondary is not comprised of bad players, we should have been able to hold them to alot less in the passing game.

We need to take a hard look at both Schaub and Wade in the offseason.

Amazing you mention both of these guys as being "exposed", but make no mention of Gary Kubiak?? Lol!

Dude was exposed many years ago, but we only need to be looking at Schaub and Wade??

Originally Posted by ATXtexanfan

Wade is solid. Schaub sucks. Niners 41 pats 34. Ravens 38 broncos 35. You blame their DCs for the point ts t. this league you gotta score points on offense

Tell that to all of the Steelers teams that went to 3 SB's these last 10 years and all of those Ravens teams that have gone to the post season in the last 12 years or so. Add the Texans to that list who made the playoffs last season with TJ Yates doing almost nothing at all for the offense. Add the Bears to that list who almost won a SB with straight defense. Add the Giants to that list who won a SB mainly because of a dominant Dline.

Sure, you need to score points, but you also need to limit points. There have been tons of juggernut offenses in this league who never did squat when they hit the post season.

You need a balanced team, but most of all you need a great QB that can make plays and a great defense that can make plays and make key stops when it counts.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

OD, Walter, Casey, Foster, Graham, Posey, the other teams LB's ...

OD and Foster are the only guys on that list.

The rest are average players. Lol at the fact that you actually added Posey and Walter to that list. You made the guy's point who asked the question.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by Rey

How many passes did welker drop?

None in the damned endzone.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

He made a number of plays:

1. throw for a should-be TD to Casy in 1st quarter.
2. 3rd and long conversion to AJ for 17 yards on deep cross
3. TD to Posey
4. a number of good conversions to TEs and AJ in the middle of the field.

The Texans scored 28 points and it could've been more. Schaub only turned it over once... How on earth can he be primarily responsible for the loss? That's crazy and that is an unrealistic expectation that will seldom be met in your lifetime by any QB likely to wear a Texan uniform (regardless of the coach, GM, owner, etc...)

Again, you guys keep blaming Schaub for not being great. He's good. "Greatness" suggests that it is rare. Schaub was better today than Peyton was yesterday. He led his team to more points and took better care of the ball... I'm not saying Schaub is as good as Peyton, only trying to reason with people blaming him for the loss. NEW ENGLAND SCORED 41 POINTs!!! That's why we lost!

True. The Patriots have our number.

And that number is FORTY. Because Wade's defense gave up 40+ points. TWICE.

And the "eyeball test" says it could have been more.

Sorry, but this offense isn't built to win a shootout with the Bradys and Rodgers of the league. And I might add that Wade's defense is supposed to be built to keep those shootouts from happening in the first place.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

And I might add that Wade's defense is supposed to be built to keep those shootouts from happening in the first place.

One of our Patsfans visitors found it funny when we suggested Wade was going to take away their run game & make them throw the ball.

That's like throwing Peter Rabbit in the briar patch, no?

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

One of our Patsfans visitors found it funny when we suggested Wade was going to take away their run game & make them throw the ball.

That's like throwing Peter Rabbit in the briar patch, no?

that's the absolute perfect analogy.

[HJam72]

It seems what we try to do against the Pats is take away their punter by making them score all the time.

[boom boom]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

His targets are fine. However, there is very little to stretch the defense. Even AJ is not the deep threat or breakaway threat he once was. We need a WR with some serious speed and playmaking potential. Or, at least, an athletic tight end that can run away from LBs and most safeties (there are a couple, by the way, forecast to go late in the 1st round in some mocks).

dale like i said the other night i believe another receiver to stretch the field would really help this texans offense. even though like i said im a pats fan, you guys have great balance with foster running the football. most importantly keep in mind the texans dominated almost everyone in the nfl. the game they beat chicago they really showed how tough and physical they were and against new england if shaub and the offense can sustain long drives and keep brady off the field you guys will be right there at the end. i enjoy watching the texans play. besides my patrioits my second teami always root for is the houstan texans. you guys will be fine. you learned a ton this year about your football team and next year will dominate the afc south and if anyone has to go thru reliant stadium in the playoffs, look out because thats a tough place to play. i hoipe we dominate baltimore the way you guys did but unfortunately we dont have jj watt on defense and arian foster to hit the outside. take care brother

[boom boom]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

True. The Patriots have our number.

And that number is FORTY. Because Wade's defense gave up 40+ points. TWICE.

And the "eyeball test" says it could have been more.

Sorry, but this offense isn't built to win a shootout with the Bradys and Rodgers of the league. And I might add that Wade's defense is supposed to be built to keep those shootouts from happening in the first place.

hey congrats on a great year. even though im a pats fan i respect the texans and root for them. you guys are going to be a dominant football team for years to come. best of luck next year and enjoy your success because its only the beginning. jj watt, foster, johnson, manning, etc. the texans will be fine. enjoy the afc south division and i believe you guys will win that division for many years ahead. go texans

[boom boom]

Originally Posted by HJam72

It seems what we try to do against the Pats is take away their punter by making them score all the time.

lol, thats hilarious, i wish you guys took away our kicker because we cant stop manning on special teams. congrats on a great year and best of luck next year. the texans will be right back in the thick of it. THERE CONTENDERS WHILE TEAMS LIKE THE COLTS AND BENGALS ARE PRETENDERS.