[Foxsports] Kubiak needs to get it together after ugly win

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Dishman

Somewhere in that game plan you should consider scoring touchdowns, or is that something the players can't do?

I'm sick & tired of Kubiak not writing that into his Denny's Menu.

"Score Touchdowns" should be on the fricken top. When we're in the red zone, that's the play he ought to call.

Matt Uh... what play we're going to run here coach?
Kubiak eeeeyyyyee don't know. Let's try this one here at the top.... Score Touchdown
Matt Ok.

[HJam72]

You guys are making too big a deal out of the Denny's menu. The man gets hungry.

Fact is that taking notes, using lists, etc. is an extremely effective management/just-plain-work-ethic strategy. Most people never do it, because they are too proud.

[thunderkyss]

On a serious note. I hope, that Kubiak doesn't let all this, "score TDs, not field goals" talk screw with his head. If the situation presents itself & the smart thing to do is kick a field goal, I hope he kicks the freak'n field goal & move on.

[dc_txtech]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

No it doesn't. Brady is going to put up some scores. The Texans have to keep up with those scores. This isn't some low scoring offense they're playing. They'll be playing the highest scoring team in the league that raped every other team as far as offensive scoring goes. The Texans will have to keep up with that. Trying to play conservatively against a team like the Patriots is what is a recipe for disaster.

I disagree. It's damn near impossible to outscore Brady in a shootout, especially in the playoffs. You have to run the ball, play good defense, and hope for a little luck. Here are the patriots scores in playoff and Super Bowl losses since Brady came along starting with their most recent loss and going backwards.

17
21
14
14
34 (vs Peyton)
13

Of course it would help to score TD's instead of FG's but I think it's going to be more on how our run game and defense play next Sunday.

[PhilpW]

This is what concerns me (from Monday before first game):

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/ar...9-1003ceb2ffcf

(on how scary is it to go up against QB Tom Brady with inexperienced defensive backs) “Well it’s Monday and it’s scary so I’m sure it’s going to be real scary getting toward the end of the week. That’s where we’re at.

How does this create confidence for the players?

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.

I dont think it is so much the "gamke plan" that everyone dont like. It is what we do once our game plan gets blown out of whack. Hell even with our game plan, at their 20 4th and 1 we could take a chance sometimes. I hope the texans have some tricks up their sleves.

How often have you ever seen kubiak do a fake put, Forsett is in on punts alot do a direct snap to him and i am sure he can get you 2-3 yards if needed. But no when we line up for a pun it is a punt.

It is things like this that would help our team believe it or not. And not just from us getting a first down, but it would pump up or team IMO. Maybe give them a little more confidence.

[Jules Winnfield]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.

its this type of mentality that mediocre people have.

Its not the game plan of a winner.

Its a game plan of a loser.

No wonder kubiak and schaub have lasted this long in houston without winning anything while still getting praised and contract extensions.

You're an enabler of mediocrity.

[The Third Man]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

its this type of mentality that mediocre people have.

Its not the game plan of a winner.

Its a game plan of a loser.

No wonder kubiak and schaub have lasted this long in houston without winning anything while still getting praised and contract extensions.

You're an enabler of mediocrity.

Get the hell out of here. Honestly, I'm tired of internet warriors lecturing other, more successful people about winning and excellence while offering *no substance*. What's your "game plan of a winner?" This is a football board. Seriously, what strategy beats the New England Patriots? You offer nothing but complaints and an unearned superiority complex. Here's a giant middle finger for you.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

No wonder kubiak and schaub have lasted this long in houston without winning anything while still getting praised and contract extensions.

smh

Kubiak's been here since 2006. That's seven seasons. In that seven seasons, he's had 2 losing seasons. 3 winning seasons, 2 division championships & won 2 play off games.

He's yet to beat the elite teams (& Minnesota).

[dc_txtech]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

its this type of mentality that mediocre people have.

Its not the game plan of a winner.

Its a game plan of a loser.

No wonder kubiak and schaub have lasted this long in houston without winning anything while still getting praised and contract extensions.

You're an enabler of mediocrity.

Yes it's all Corrosion's fault. I suggest we let NE control the clock, increase mistakes, ask our players to do things that they can't do. That's the game plan of a winner!

[legacy_gt]

ugly win? i've seen much worse. give the bengals credit. they were one of the hottest teams going into the playoff. texans were going in reverse. texans had the game the whole time. take away the interception and bengals had only 2 field goals.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by dc_txtech

Yes it's all Corrosion's fault. I suggest we let NE control the clock, increase mistakes, ask our players to do things that they can't do. That's the game plan of a winner!

Make sure they write into the game plan, "Score TDs, not FGs"

[GP]

Since we're all saying what game plan should be implemented, this is mine and has been mine (even prior to our Week 14 game vs. the Patriots):

1. You have to bring your A+ game -- No dropped passes, no stupid penalties, no Schaub backpedaling for his life, basically play your best in all facets of the game.

2. You have to have the Patriots stumble and make their own mistakes, and then capitalize off those mistakes when given the opportunities.

Now let's see what happened in that Week 14 matchup:

The Texans played very well in the opening minutes of the game. We had around four straight runs and Foster was doing really good. We had a questionable holding call on one of our OL, which brought back a tremendous Foster run. I think we still moved the ball after that....but then things got bogged down or Matt turned the ball over, can't remember.

Next, Patriots got down to the EZ and Kareem Jackson tried to pick up a loose ball and run with it rather than just jumping on it. A play or two later, the Patriots score a TD.

THAT deflated this team. Period. They saw their offense sort of wilt, then our defense couldn't secure a timely turnover off the Pats, and that was the point that I saw this Texans team throw patience and smart play out the window.

Gotta' bring your A+ game, and you gotta' hope that Brady & Co. lose some focus and we get some benefit out of it. Then the Patriots do what we do: Crumble under the disappointment, sort of retreat into a cocoon of worry and lack of focus.

It's just that we get there more easily than they do. They have a QB and an offense that can really rebound quickly.

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.

Because good qbs like Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Ryan, will make us pay and can strike VERY QUICKLY. If we continue to get fgs, sooner or later they will get touchdowns and will beat us. Sorry but our defense is not good enough to shut down passing attacks for 60 minutes.

[gafftop]

Just curious I only remember 1 time when the Texans actually threw into the end zone, the pass to AJ. I am sure there were others, i just don't remember , but it does seem we don't throw into the end zone as much as other teams when we get into the red zone. Any body else notice this? Why do you think we don't? Is it that we just don't have the quick receivers or some other reason.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by GP

Since we're all saying what game plan should be implemented, this is mine and has been mine (even prior to our Week 14 game vs. the Patriots):

1. You have to bring your A+ game -- No dropped passes, no stupid penalties, no Schaub backpedaling for his life, basically play your best in all facets of the game.

2. You have to have the Patriots stumble and make their own mistakes, and then capitalize off those mistakes when given the opportunities.

This just makes too much sense. IF GP can think up this game plan, why the heck can't Kubiak? Doesn't he get paid to write up game plans?

If this isn't the gameplan for next weeks game, I hope sure as heck Dennison goes on to Chicago & we get an OC who can write a game plan like this.

Frek'n Kubiak... They better write in that thing about TDs instead of FGs too.

[GP]

Originally Posted by gafftop

Just curious I only remember 1 time when the Texans actually threw into the end zone, the pass to AJ. I am sure there were others, i just don't remember , but it does seem we don't throw into the end zone as much as other teams when we get into the red zone. Any body else notice this? Why do you think we don't? Is it that we just don't have the quick receivers or some other reason.

I think Gary is being conservative.

He wants us getting a FG attempt no matter what. If we get into the RZ, but we're a good 15 to 20 yards out...we're looking to play it safe and secure the FG attempt. If we're within the 10, you'll see us play it less conservative.

I think Gary is going overboard with being conservative, tbh.

He does the same thing when we're within our own 15 or 10. Both ends of the field, it's like he's got this ultra conservative philosophy that says "Don't screw up the field position game..." or "Don't screw up the FG attempt..."

Which I think might be causing this team's players to play it too safely everywhere else. Your coach is basically training you to always think about safety FIRST.

That's my pet theory, though.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

its this type of mentality that mediocre people have.

Its not the game plan of a winner.

Its a game plan of a loser.

No wonder kubiak and schaub have lasted this long in houston without winning anything while still getting praised and contract extensions.

You're an enabler of mediocrity.

I don't think that's fair. Every team develops an identity. The Texans of 2009 and 2010 could throw it around the yard just fine. The Texans of 2012, building on the success of 2011, developed a recipe that won a lot of games for them. Cushing's injury and some offensive struggles have led to the loss of some confidence and a bit of an identity crisis. These things happen. That's why, in today's NFL, the teams with the best record are seldom the champs... instead, it is the team hitting on all cylinders as the playoffs begin.

It's disappointing that we are looking at a likely 2nd round exit after we looked so good earlier in the year. New England has dealt with that reality plenty the past 10 years... Winning organizations deal with lots of disappointment. Get used to it.

[rush2112mn]

A win a is win....I dont care how pretty or ugly it is....never thought wins had beauty contest anyways.....Just win......thats all that matters......just win.....

[utahmark]

Originally Posted by PhilpW

This is what concerns me (from Monday before first game):

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/ar...9-1003ceb2ffcf

(on how scary is it to go up against QB Tom Brady with inexperienced defensive backs) “Well it’s Monday and it’s scary so I’m sure it’s going to be real scary getting toward the end of the week. That’s where we’re at.

How does this create confidence for the players?

I doubt the players ever even see that. He could of worded that better though.