All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

[Surreal McCoy]

Originally Posted by dream_team

I don't know about you guys, but I want a QB that has confidence in himself.

hohoho. They'll be saying he doesn't really have confidence in himself and only said that for the cameras in 3...2...1...

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

I was answering someones question. I didn't start the thread making a big deal out of what he said. Feel free to go through all of my posts and bash everything I say at will .... you don't fool anyone.

Fool anyone about what? I have essentially stayed out of the Schaub debate.

If the poster who had brought this "elite" claim up I would have quoted him instead and had the same reply.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by TexanSam

I think next year is Schuab's last year as a Texan. They aren't going to release him since he's all we got right now and he still has a lot of money left on his contract, but after next season the cap hit won't be as bad.

Asbad as if they released Schaub this offseason? No, that would be cap suicide. But, Schaub's contract will still cause over $10 mil in dead money if he is released in the 2014 offseason. Unless Schaub become bionic, this contract will cripple the Texans.

[thunderkyss]

On the Matt Schaub show he was asked what made him elite & he spewed out a bunch of stuff. There's a thread talking about that already. Title says something about Matt answers questions, or Matt Schaub show.

[PapaL]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

On the Matt Schaub show he was asked what made him elite & he spewed out a bunch of stuff. There's a thread talking about that already. Title says something about Matt answers questions, or Matt Schaub show.

Wait...he has a show?!? Thank God I'm not a listener or near.

[ThaJokaa]

It was on 610am in the morning, probably around 8am

I thought it was funny cuz the reason he gave are some of the reason people dont like him and think he's conservative

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

I responded when someone said he had never done that and to prove him wrong.

Matt said after the game he belonged in the same category as Tom Brady.

That to me is saying he is elite comparing himself to arguably the best who has ever played the game.

Such bullsh!t! I could care less what you might infer or interpret, in your opinion, as to what he said.

The thread title is a lie. Show me where he was quoted, saying that he was "elite".

Again, prove me wrong.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

So, in your little world, if some says "I am exactly like Jesus" ... you have to wait for them to say "I am the son of God" before accepting what they mean?

Ok ...

You took his words and twisted them into making it seem like he anointed himself as some elite QB in the NFL which he did not. He was asked a question of whether or not if he belonged amongst some of the best QB's in this league or not. He said yes, that he felt that he did belong with them. What the hell else was he supposed to say? No, they're way better then me, and I'm not worthy of any comparisons and slouch in his chair with his head down after that? He said what any rational person would expect him to say when asked that question.

He never once claimed that he was elite as you have tried to put it though. You twisted it to take a dig at Schaub like you do every day.

[Dread-Head]

Schaub is kind of like Tony Romo. He's not a BAD QB but he's not a starter. He's that guy who should be relegated to being a "commander Cody". Keep him in reserves for when your main guy is down. He can do a stellar job in a few games, but he's not the top guy because he can't carry the team on his back OR fire them up to win in "no win" situations.

[GP]

Originally Posted by PapaL

Wait...he has a show?!? Thank God I'm not a listener or near.

I tried to catch the signal on my radio, but.......

[80tothezone]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

boooooo.


Yea lets not compare matt schaub to great qbs. lets compare him to joe flacoo and tony romo.

smdh....

Houstonians need to get off this path to perpetual mediocrity.


Why can we expect schaub to be as great as the other qbs?

even more important,

Why cant we start planning to draft and look for the qb of the future while schaub plays out his contract?

Why would that be so bad?

A 13 win season isn't mediocre. 8-8 is mediocre 9-7 is mediocre. We need receivers not a quarterback. After Dre none of our receivers are better than their corner backs. Schaub threw for 4000+ this yr.

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

So, in your little world, if some says "I am exactly like Jesus" ... you have to wait for them to say "I am the son of God" before accepting what they mean?

Ok ...

The thread title "Schaub stated he was elite" was a lie and you know it.

Well, on second thought, maybe you really don't. Being that you're such a lying coward yourself, (go get drunk and go slide down the escalator) I guess you really don't know the difference.

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Yeah one thing I will give him, he is good at padding his stats.

He has single handedly convinced me that stats really don't mean much ...

When did he pad his stats?

If you want to talk about padding stats, Brady is the king of that!

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by dream_team

When did he pad his stats?

If you want to talk about padding stats, Brady is the king of that!

How does Brady pad stats when they are throwing from the word go?

Look at his situational stats by quarter. Pretty consistent

http://www.nfl.com/player/tombrady/2...tuationalstats

I haven't paid as much attention but Schaub got a huge amount of stats padding 2 years back when they were behind all the time until the 4th and had to throw non-stop. This year he seems fine.

http://www.nfl.com/player/mattschaub...tuationalstats

EDIT: Here is Schaub 2010...big 4th quarter padding as stated

http://www.nfl.com/player/mattschaub...ts?season=2010

[Mr teX]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

How does Brady pad stats when they are throwing from the word go?

Look at his situational stats by quarter. Pretty consistent

http://www.nfl.com/player/tombrady/2...tuationalstats

I haven't paid as much attention but Schaub got a huge amount of stats padding 2 years back when they were behind all the time until the 4th and had to throw non-stop. The last 2 years I have no clue because the above metrics isn't pulling up on NFL.com for those years. This year he seems fine

http://www.nfl.com/player/mattschaub...tuationalstats

I consider stat padding when you're throwing the ball and you don't have to. So i don't really consider Schaub padding his stats around that time; He threw the ball as much as he did b/c he had to try to win the game. yes the defense does let up a little, but it lets up in both situations when you're ahead by 30 pts (running clock) and when you're down 30 pts (giving up). So in that regard, both qb's benefited somewhat.

[HOU-TEX]

*sigh* Texans fans.....welcome to the offseason.

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

How does Brady pad stats when they are throwing from the word go?

Look at his situational stats by quarter. Pretty consistent

http://www.nfl.com/player/tombrady/2...tuationalstats

I haven't paid as much attention but Schaub got a huge amount of stats padding 2 years back when they were behind all the time until the 4th and had to throw non-stop. This year he seems fine.

http://www.nfl.com/player/mattschaub...tuationalstats

EDIT: Here is Schaub 2010...big 4th quarter padding as stated

http://www.nfl.com/player/mattschaub...ts?season=2010

Everyone knows Brady's stats are padded. It's not on him, but it's his coach. Even though they could be up 3 TDs in the 4th quarter, Brady will still be passing like they're behind (when most teams in this situation would run the ball to kill the clock). That's why I say his stats are padded. Look at this past game. At the 11:35 mark in the 4th quarter, the Pats are up 18 (3 possessions). Any normal coach would start killing the clock, but instead, Brady does 4 passes in a row. I get it, they are going for the kill and being ultra-aggressive. But this is what I mean by padding stats, throwing the ball when most teams are running it.

Schaub (and Kubiak) on the other hand is the total opposite. They throw only when they have to. In fact, most fans will tell you they don't throw it enough. That, I don't call padding stats.

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by dream_team

Everyone knows Brady's stats are padded. It's not on him, but it's his coach. Even though they could be up 3 TDs in the 4th quarter, Brady will still be passing like they're behind (when most teams in this situation would run the ball to kill the clock). That's why I say his stats are padded. Look at this past game. At the 11:35 mark in the 4th quarter, the Pats are up 18 (3 possessions). Any normal coach would start killing the clock, but instead, Brady does 4 passes in a row. I get it, they are going for the kill and being ultra-aggressive. But this is what I mean by padding stats, throwing the ball when most teams are running it.

Schaub (and Kubiak) on the other hand is the total opposite. They throw only when they have to. In fact, most fans will tell you they don't throw it enough. That, I don't call padding stats.

I don't think that is stat padding in Brady's case. That is just their offense. They throw to short check downs as a form of running..conservative throws. If you look at that link his numbers are pretty even by quarter. Also, with the comebacks these days, I wouldn't call 18 insurmountable. They just don't have a running game.

Originally Posted by Mr teX

I consider stat padding when you're throwing the ball and you don't have to. So i don't really consider Schaub padding his stats around that time; He threw the ball as much as he did b/c he had to try to win the game. yes the defense does let up a little, but it lets up in both situations when you're ahead by 30 pts (running clock) and when you're down 30 pts (giving up). So in that regard, both qb's benefited somewhat.

I get what your saying but I think many people's definition includes games where there is an unlikely chance to win but your QB is throwing into prevent defenses. Just throwing hat out there.

[AndyWin]

You can put some blame on other facets of the team for their late season failures, but the biggest blame goes on Schaub as QB not being able to move the ball WHEN IT MATTERS.
Pretty sure at one point in the Pats game I saw we were 2/12 on 3rd downs. That's atrocious. People spitting his stats at me that he got during trash time are idiots. When Matt Schaub converts a 3rd and 5+ to help move the chains, it's AMAZING. When everyone else does it, it's expected.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by dream_team

Everyone knows Brady's stats are padded. It's not on him, but it's his coach. Even though they could be up 3 TDs in the 4th quarter, Brady will still be passing like they're behind (when most teams in this situation would run the ball to kill the clock). That's why I say his stats are padded. Look at this past game. At the 11:35 mark in the 4th quarter, the Pats are up 18 (3 possessions). Any normal coach would start killing the clock, but instead, Brady does 4 passes in a row. I get it, they are going for the kill and being ultra-aggressive. But this is what I mean by padding stats, throwing the ball when most teams are running it.

His stats aren't really padded at all especially this season. The Patriots scored 557 points for the entire season. Brady's stats could have been a lot more as far as TD passes, but they ran it all of the time inside the 10 and inside the 5 where they ended up with the most rushing TD's for any team with 25 rushing TD's. Brady could have thrown for over 40 TD's easily had he pushed to throw it more in the red zone. You're right that BB keeps his starters in longer then most teams do though. Brady's passing yards stats are high just like they are in every season though. A big reason why they keep their offensive starters in a lot longer is because their defense was giving up a ton of points in the first 8 games of the season. Their offense was literally having to put up over 30 just to get past a lot of teams early on, so I don't think their coaching staff ever really trusted their defense that much. I still don't.

Originally Posted by dream_team

Schaub (and Kubiak) on the other hand is the total opposite. They throw only when they have to. In fact, most fans will tell you they don't throw it enough. That, I don't call padding stats.

This is true. Not to mention, the same thing happened to Schaub with the passing TD's with Arian Foster having like 17 rushing TD's for the entire season. Kubiak wants to run, run, run...........