Where does Matt rank with QBs in playoffs

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by amazing80

Did you watch the game or are you stat scouting? Because anyone who watched the game will tell you Schaub was a joke and did nothing to help our offense.

Now whether you feel its Schaub (like me) or its the pieces around him (like texicutioner) thats another debate.

watched the game twice, and didnt like much that i saw. there was plenty to put on kubiak, schaub, the offensive line, and the organization in general. but my whining ends at "we gave up 41 points". schaub has never lost a game where the defense has allowed less than 20 points (ravens tagged at 13). what happens if we hold brady to 19 instead of 41? we match up insanely well against the ravens ... if we win that one does it make schaub a top 5 quarterback instead of flacco?

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Scooter

this thread is awesome. flacco has been in the league 5 years with middling stats despite a top 5 defense and bigtime run game each year (and two major receivers). .

Middling Stats? Oh, he didn't throw for 5000 yds and sit at home each year?
He didn't have a Top 5 Defense this year- they were 17th overall. Schaubs Defense was at 7th Overall.
Run Game was 11th- Houston was at 8th
His "Two Major recievers" were ranked 32nd and 44th...Torrey Smith was 76th...I believe AJ was 4th???

Originally Posted by Scooter

he proclaimed himself "elite" and the whole world laughed. he's gotten no less than 2 coordinators fired for trying to give him a reasonable workload. schaub finally gets a defense and beats the ravens by 30 points, and has a better regular season.

Prclaims himself elite? You should read the interview- If you don't think your the best player on the field, then you are beaten before the first snap.

And which other Coordinator did he get fired? Cam Camron started with the Ravens in 08- same year Joe was drafted. Cam was hired by Billick then Billick got fired. Harbaugh inherited Cam. Cam got himself fired with his controlling attitude- he LIMITED Flacco, not gave him a reasonable workload.

Texans win a game in which everyone played like crap and Schaub has all these stats- what dod that get them?

Originally Posted by Scooter

the ravens defense holds brady to 13 points and flacco is suddenly a top 5 quarterback. oh and schaub also put up 28 points on the patriots ... only it didnt matter against their 41. schaub also beat the broncos in denver, as well as the colts at home.

It is a team game- Ravens Defense always plays Brady and Pats tough- Brady has his worst % vs any one team in the Ravens. Flacco put up 28 when the game was even- Schaub put up most of his when the game was already decided.

Originally Posted by Scooter

i've got as many problems with schaub as any rational fan, but this joe flacco stuff is getting out of hand.

You should watch a little more of him play- it will become very clear.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Scooter

Matt Schaub ..... 34/51 ...... 343 ...... 2 ...... 1
Joe Flacco ........ 21/36 ...... 240 ...... 3 ...... 0

Lemme guess, you are in like 7-8 Fantasy Football leagues......

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by Scooter

watched the game twice, and didnt like much that i saw. there was plenty to put on kubiak, schaub, the offensive line, and the organization in general. but my whining ends at "we gave up 41 points". schaub has never lost a game where the defense has allowed less than 20 points (ravens tagged at 13). what happens if we hold brady to 19 instead of 41? we match up insanely well against the ravens ... if we win that one does it make schaub a top 5 quarterback instead of flacco?

So our defense needs to be the best overall in points allowed in order for Schaub to be "good enough"...never gonna happen, he needs to sack up and carry us once in awhile

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by amazing80

Really? You're gonna consider those points "schaubs"? He did absolutely NOTHING until the 4th quarter when we were down by 21 points, thats called garbage time.

14 of baltimore's 28 points came with less than 12 minutes left ... 21 came with 21 minutes left.

houston scored 13 in the first half. houston scored 15 with 12 minutes left.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by amazing80

So our defense needs to be the best overall in points allowed in order for Schaub to be "good enough"...never gonna happen, he needs to sack up and carry us once in awhile

if "sack up and carry us once in a while" means scoring 28 points against the patriots, beating denver in denver, and the colts at home ... yup.

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by Scooter

14 of baltimore's 28 points came with less than 12 minutes left ... 21 came with 21 minutes left.

houston scored 13 in the first half. houston scored 15 with 12 minutes left.

Yea, was Baltimore down 21 points when they scored in those last 12 minutes or was it a close game that Flacco grabbed hold of and won? Big difference....

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Scooter

14 of baltimore's 28 points came with less than 12 minutes left ... 21 came with 21 minutes left.

houston scored 13 in the first half. houston scored 15 with 12 minutes left.

Say what?

4th Quarter
Baltimore Ravens continues ...
1-3-NE 3 (15:00) 5-J.Flacco pass short middle to 81-A.Boldin for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Baltimore Ravens at 12:46
1-10-NE 47 (12:46) (Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass deep left to 82-T.Smith to NE 31 for 16 yards (24-K.Arrington).
1-10-NE 31 (12:18) (No Huddle) 5-J.Flacco scrambles left end ran ob at NE 17 for 14 yards.
1-10-NE 17 (11:54) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass short middle to 12-J.Jones to NE 11 for 6 yards (55-B.Spikes).
2-4-NE 11 (11:19) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass short right to 81-A.Boldin for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN.


Not sure what your point is here.....

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by Scooter

if "sack up and carry us once in a while" means scoring 28 points against the patriots, beating denver in denver, and the colts at home ... yup.

I will give you (weakly, as Denver was a completely different team week 3 and our run game dominated as well) the Denver win, but 28 points vs the Pats isn't impressive, they had an easy schedule and took advantage of crap teams. Ill admit our defense was terrible both times we played them. But that doesn't mean Schaub did good, those points were so skewed its ridiculous you even posted them.

[amazing80]

Joe Flacco in the post season this year, 8 tds 0 picks....he is becoming clutch

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

Middling Stats? Oh, he didn't throw for 5000 yds and sit at home each year?
He didn't have a Top 5 Defense this year- they were 17th overall. Schaubs Defense was at 7th Overall.
Run Game was 11th- Houston was at 8th
His "Two Major recievers" were ranked 32nd and 44th...Torrey Smith was 76th...I believe AJ was 4th???


Prclaims himself elite? You should read the interview- If you don't think your the best player on the field, then you are beaten before the first snap.

And which other Coordinator did he get fired? Cam Camron started with the Ravens in 08- same year Joe was drafted. Cam was hired by Billick then Billick got fired. Harbaugh inherited Cam. Cam got himself fired with his controlling attitude- he LIMITED Flacco, not gave him a reasonable workload.

my bad. 17th ... the ravens defense is worse than average, and an obvious cake walk in the playoffs. the run game is barely above-par ... i mock the ravens drafting a running back this year to replace that what's his name who's holding their run game back. as for their receivers, i wouldnt want them on my team - even the ravens fans think they're scrubs. it's not as if their #2 receiver has more touchdowns than the texans receivers combined.

to the public, cam got fired for not giving the ball to ray rice every down - instead asking flacco to carry the load. i dont even recall this year's OC, but the same thing is perception ... he tried to install a hurry up offense to give flacco more control and it bombed quickly. basically the same applied in both cases. ray rice wins games, only give flacco what is necessary. and quit getting butthurt about it, we do the same with foster and schaub.

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by Scooter

my bad. 17th ... the ravens defense is worse than average, and an obvious cake walk in the playoffs. the run game is barely above-par ... i mock the ravens drafting a running back this year to replace that what's his name who's holding their run game back. as for their receivers, i wouldnt want them on my team - even the ravens fans think they're scrubs. it's not as if their #2 receiver has more touchdowns than the texans receivers combined.

to the public, cam got fired for not giving the ball to ray rice every down - instead asking flacco to carry the load. i dont even recall this year's OC, but the same thing is perception ... he tried to install a hurry up offense to give flacco more control and it bombed quickly. basically the same applied in both cases. ray rice wins games, only give flacco what is necessary. and quit getting butthurt about it, we do the same with foster and schaub.

And yet one tandem is in the super bowl and one isnt

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Scooter

my bad. 17th ... the ravens defense is worse than average, and an obvious cake walk in the playoffs. the run game is barely above-par ... i mock the ravens drafting a running back this year to replace that what's his name who's holding their run game back. as for their receivers, i wouldnt want them on my team - even the ravens fans think they're scrubs. it's not as if their #2 receiver has more touchdowns than the texans receivers combined.

to the public, cam got fired for not giving the ball to ray rice every down - instead asking flacco to carry the load. i dont even recall this year's OC, but the same thing is perception ... he tried to install a hurry up offense to give flacco more control and it bombed quickly. basically the same applied in both cases. ray rice wins games, only give flacco what is necessary. and quit getting butthurt about it, we do the same with foster and schaub.

I'm not butthurt about your obvious ignorance of how things in Baltimore transpire; you are a Texans fan- you shouldn't have any idea of how things transpire here in Baltimore. The very fact that you are continuing to stub your toe in trying to explain what transpired with the Ravens is a direct result of your anger towards all things ravens. You have a perception, poor though it is, of what the Ravens are all about, but in reality it is misguided and false.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

I'm not butthurt about your obvious ignorance of how things in Baltimore transpire; you are a Texans fan- you shouldn't have any idea of how things transpire here in Baltimore. The very fact that you are continuing to stub your toe in trying to explain what transpired with the Ravens is a direct result of your anger towards all things ravens. You have a perception, poor though it is, of what the Ravens are all about, but in reality it is misguided and false.

actually i'm a fairly big baltimore fan, and required quite a bit of help from my girlfriend to get decked out in purple this weekend. mom spent several years working in baltimore recently and we've made great friends in the area. you're taking offense to what i perceive as truth in comparison towards the current texans' state of affairs - as well as national perception towards your organization.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Scooter

actually i'm a fairly big baltimore fan, and required quite a bit of help from my girlfriend to get decked out in purple this weekend. mom spent several years working in baltimore recently and we've made great friends in the area. you're taking offense to what i perceive as truth in comparison towards the current texans' state of affairs - as well as national perception towards your organization.

I take offense to nothing- except for when the truth is ignored or mis-represented

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by amazing80

And yet one tandem is in the super bowl and one isnt

neither is the team that kicked our butts, with the best qb and head coach ever - compared (for example) to the team we beat by 30 earlier this season.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

I take offense to nothing- except for when the truth is ignored or mis-represented

truth - this is the first year since 2008 that the ravens have ranked worse than 3rd in points allowed. ray rice has average 1266 yards rushing since 2009, but flacco has topped out at 3800 yards. by rights yall should've been unstoppable once torrey smith showed up, instead of taking 3 years to find that groove. schaub went 15-1 when his defense was on point. once cushing got hurt however, we went on a defensive crash - forcing him into shootouts with losers such as the lions and jaguars. how did flacco do with a shootout against a team putting up 40+ ... like the texans?

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Scooter

truth - this is the first year since 2008 that the ravens have ranked worse than 3rd in points allowed. ray rice has average 1266 yards rushing since 2009, but flacco has topped out at 3800 yards. by rights yall should've been unstoppable once torrey smith showed up, instead of taking 3 years to find that groove. schaub went 15-1 when his defense was on point. once cushing got hurt however, we went on a defensive crash - forcing him into shootouts with losers such as the lions and jaguars. how did flacco do with a shootout against a team putting up 40+ ... like the texans?

Ravens don't play in any shootouts really...

[Texcore]

Originally Posted by Scooter

truth - this is the first year since 2008 that the ravens have ranked worse than 3rd in points allowed. ray rice has average 1266 yards rushing since 2009, but flacco has topped out at 3800 yards. by rights yall should've been unstoppable once torrey smith showed up, instead of taking 3 years to find that groove. schaub went 15-1 when his defense was on point. once cushing got hurt however, we went on a defensive crash - forcing him into shootouts with losers such as the lions and jaguars. how did flacco do with a shootout against a team putting up 40+ ... like the texans?

Dude, at the end of the day, the Ravens are in the Super Bowl and we exited in the 2nd round. Shaub sucks and Flacco is a significantly better QB than him. No amount of self serving comments can change that or make us feel better. Just give them their props already and quit being sore.

[Scooter]

yeah my bad, i'd had a few bourbons and felt like being disagreeable.