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Old 12-06-2013   #1041
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If Case doesn't make a drastic change in the way he plays over the next 3 games, I'm all on board for drafting a QB in the first.
I'm already on board for drafting a QB in the first.

Open competition during Training Camp. Worst case* is we end up with a Brees/Rivers situation.

(No pun intended.)
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I wanted Keenum to get a CHANCE to show what he could do. My opinion after 3-4 games was that if he continued like that (see Nick Foles) then you go into next season with him at starter and get some vet, mid round draft pick for competition. He hasn't continued so I'm on the draft a QB with a high pick bandwagon.
That's exactly how I see it.
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I'm already on board for drafting a QB in the first.

Open competition during Training Camp. Worst case* is we end up with a Brees/Rivers situation.

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That sounds like a best case scenario!

I'm not great judging how college talent translates to the NFL, but if they they think they can get a franchise QB with their pick, they have to take it. My only fear is they think they need a QB so bad that they pick the best QB "on the board" whether they really think he's the answer or not. We have other needs too.
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I'm already on board for drafting a QB in the first.
I'm good with a QB, too. If that QB is the best player in the draft. I just don't want to force the #1 pick on a QB (Carr, Russell, Bradford, etc.) when there are better players at other key positions. Is there a Luck, RGIII, or Newton in this draft? That's what has to be answered.
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I can't help but think Kubiak was refusing to shift the offense to suit Case.

Now, he's sent to pack his own suitcase.
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I can't help but think Kubiak was refusing to shift the offense to suit Case.

Now, he's sent to pack his own suitcase.
I read someone on here say that Kubiak was planning on benching Case and going with Schaub the rest of the season. And that was probably the final straw for McNair because they'd probably already agreed as a team to let Case have his chance the rest of the season to see if he could progress and learn.

I think if Kubiak hadn't made that decision and if he'd been able to get Case to progress some more, he'd have kept his job to the offseason.
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I read someone on here say that Kubiak was planning on benching Case and going with Schaub the rest of the season. And that was probably the final straw for McNair because they'd probably already agreed as a team to let Case have his chance the rest of the season to see if he could progress and learn.

I think if Kubiak hadn't made that decision and if he'd been able to get Case to progress some more, he'd have kept his job to the offseason.
That seems reasonable. However, with that said, I've seen enough of Case. Neither Case nor Schaub can get it done. At times, Case just looks lost out there. He doesn't have a hot read when there's an obvious blitzing situation, and it's frustrating because even a non-football guru like me can tell a blitz is coming.

Schaub is Schaub. I'm over him. We need to draft a QB in the first or second round.
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We're gonna have a Rivers/Brees situation, and in my view, Keenum will go to another team and shine, just like all the other players we let go.
I'm pessimistic about this as well. Every year there are a dozen new QBs that gets someone hot under the gills. Keenum is signed through at least another year. By the time he hits the market, younger, faster, QBs with brighter futures will be all the rage & guys like Christian Ponder, Ryan Tannehill, & Matt Schaub will be getting recycled with more attention than the UDFA that had 1 games to show he can't adjust to the NFL.
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I can't help but think Kubiak was refusing to shift the offense to suit Case.

Now, he's sent to pack his own suitcase.
Then you don't have a clue , the offense has been drastically changed from what we saw with Schaub under center to what we see with Keenum. Keenum hasn't been able to make the routine plays and that's the bottom line.


There is so much misinformation over this whole firing subject its comical.
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I'm already on board for drafting a QB in the first.

Open competition during Training Camp. Worst case* is we end up with a Brees/Rivers situation.

(No pun intended.)
We'd be in better shape, much better shape if we had a viable option at the QB position, allowing us to drop the QB priortiy to the third or 4th & get a couple of blue chip players.. RT, ILB, OLB in the first 2 rounds.

As it is, we're still holding out hope that Brennan Williams is a better RT than Newton/Harris. True, he can't be worse, but we need better.
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I read someone on here say that Kubiak was planning on benching Case and going with Schaub the rest of the season. And that was probably the final straw for McNair because they'd probably already agreed as a team to let Case have his chance the rest of the season to see if he could progress and learn.

I think if Kubiak hadn't made that decision and if he'd been able to get Case to progress some more, he'd have kept his job to the offseason.
If that's the case (no pun intended) then we're going to spend the next three weeks finding out what Kubiak already knows. Case ain't the one.
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Then you don't have a clue , the offense has been drastically changed from what we saw with Schaub under center to what we see with Keenum. Keenum hasn't been able to make the routine plays and that's the bottom line.


There is so much misinformation over this whole firing subject its comical.
Yeah this is my biggest pet peeve. There's plenty of garbage to use against Kubiak - why invent stuff that doesn't exist?
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Yeah this is my biggest pet peeve. There's plenty of garbage to use against Kubiak - why invent stuff that doesn't exist?
Even the media is doing it .... last night I was listening to an interview of Ian Rapoport and he stated draft pick influence being part of the problem - Dude doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.
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Even the media is doing it .... last night I was listening to an interview of Ian Rapoport and he stated draft pick influence being part of the problem - Dude doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Or ch 13 news saying Case had a lot more fans and support than Matt and then they went live to UofH to talk to those fans
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We'd be in better shape, much better shape if we had a viable option at the QB position, allowing us to drop the QB priortiy to the third or 4th & get a couple of blue chip players.. RT, ILB, OLB in the first 2 rounds.

As it is, we're still holding out hope that Brennan Williams is a better RT than Newton/Harris. True, he can't be worse, but we need better.
I wouldn't be to optimistic of any lineman following microfracture surgery.
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I wouldn't be to optimistic of any lineman following microfracture surgery.
That was my worry. and im not sure if you happen to know if there were any indicators in college of health issues that the front office missed either by negligence or just imcompetence. Brennan is a high pick to have to scratch out before he ever plays a game.
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Just saying. Look at Nick Foles's performances in 2012 and then in 2013. Did anything last year tell you he was going to have that much success this year? No.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...Ni00/gamelog//

This is why we can't shut the door on Keenum after only a handful of starts.
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Then you don't have a clue , the offense has been drastically changed from what we saw with Schaub under center to what we see with Keenum. Keenum hasn't been able to make the routine plays and that's the bottom line.


There is so much misinformation over this whole firing subject its comical.
The offense has not drastically changed. It's the same offense. I think Keenum plays out of the shotgun and pistol slightly more than Schaub.
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Just saying. Look at Nick Foles's performances in 2012 and then in 2013. Did anything last year tell you he was going to have that much success this year? No.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...Ni00/gamelog//

This is why we can't shut the door on Keenum after only a handful of starts.


How many players looked poor for a year or two and never turned it around? I'd guess it's more than were able to make a ridiculous turnaround. Kept holding that powerball ticket
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I don't know if Keenum is the answer, and we definitely should have a QB competition next training camp. However, is the 25-26 quarters Keenum has played with a RB with 4 broken ribs and a spotty (at best) offensive line enough to totally close the book on him? I don't think so, although many on here seem to think he'll never be a legitimate starting QB.
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