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Old 12-06-2013   #1001
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Well in his second year with the team and his 7th start you would think he might be moving in the other direction. Schaub while sacked seemed to deal with the same porous oline and put up nearly the same productivity in just over a quarter that Case had in nearly 3. Clearly the Texans do not have the answer to the QB problem
I don't quite understand how this matters. The only thing it truly says to me is Kubiak allowed Schaub to throw more in 1 quarter than he did Keenum in three. Schaub in 1 quarter had 29 passes, Keenum in 3 had 29 passes. The productively should be reflective in pass attempts/completions rather than quarters played IMO.
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I don't quite understand how this matters. The only thing it truly says to me is Kubiak allowed Schaub to throw more in 1 quarter than he did Keenum in three. Schaub in 1 quarter had 29 passes, Keenum in 3 had 29 passes. The productively should be reflective in pass attempts/completions rather than quarters played IMO.


It matters because its clear to me atleast that Schaub can run the offense better however its also clear we need something else at QB. If Case could handle it, it would have been an option for him. The Case homers should see by now that the 32 year old reject is still better than he is. Time to move on from both

Also of note its interesting that the oline was a big reason for the poor production in the first 3 quarters and then that turned around
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I don't quite understand how this matters. The only thing it truly says to me is Kubiak allowed Schaub to throw more in 1 quarter than he did Keenum in three. Schaub in 1 quarter had 29 passes, Keenum in 3 had 29 passes. The productively should be reflective in pass attempts/completions rather than quarters played IMO.
both qb's missing wide open wr's...Schaub missed a WIDE open AJ at the end of the game across the middle. This slowass dink and dunk offense blows. QB guru my ass
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This thread reminds me of a David Carr thread.
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This thread reminds me of a David Carr thread.
Yeah.

Time to move on from this thread, too.
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Schaub's first and second drives looked like the 15 scripted plays that start each half. Keenum never executed them, so Schaub did it with familiarity. After that, he went back to typical Schaub.
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yeah, I'm not seeing the "QB of the future" on the current roster.

Like Mike Maycock said last night, Keenum is "at least" a serviceable backup QB in this league.

But no way would I go into the offseason with a high first pick and just hand him the keys to the franchise. Got to take a chance on a QB and make them compete. It's always a gamble, but it seems to me that going all in with Case is merely a bluff and a hope and prayer.

I like the kid and have rooted for him, but time to get real. They need to clean house of the current coaching staff and give the new HC a high pick to start a new era.
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yeah, I'm not seeing the "QB of the future" on the current roster.

Like Mike Maycock said last night, Keenum is "at least" a serviceable backup QB in this league.

But no way would I go into the offseason with a high first pick and just hand him the keys to the franchise. Got to take a chance on a QB and make them compete. It's always a gamble, but it seems to me that going all in with Case is merely a bluff and a hope and prayer.

I like the kid and have rooted for him, but time to get real. They need to clean house of the current coaching staff and give the new HC a high pick to start a new era.
^^^ This.
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At this point it doesn't matter anyway. McNair said they are going to start Case the last three games so they can make a decision on him. I think that's the correct thing to do. Schaub is out, Yates isn't starter material, so they have to find out whether Case is or not. It will most certainly affect the draft.
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At this point it doesn't matter anyway. McNair said they are going to start Case the last three games so they can make a decision on him. I think that's the correct thing to do. Schaub is out, Yates isn't starter material, so they have to find out whether Case is or not. It will most certainly affect the draft.


That's the part that scares me about all this...there's still this lingering thought that Case can be a starter...i just don't see it.
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That's the part that scares me about all this...there's still this lingering thought that Case can be a starter...i just don't see it.
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That's the part that scares me about all this...there's still this lingering thought that Case can be a starter...i just don't see it.
And if he's not he'll show it and they'll draft a QB very high. I kind of hate to predict anything right now until I know who the new head coach is.
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Gotta keep those UH alumni in the seats for the last home game.
well i'm UH alum & if that's his aim, he's ****ing up....the verdict on whether or not Keenum is the future is already 85% in & the results are at best mixed. That alone should be enough for us to spend a high pick on a qb in the draft.

I doubt Keenum does anything in this last 15% of the season remotely close to what he needs to do to solidify himself as the future of this team @ qb.

You're right though, at this point rolling Keenum out there is doing nothing but trying to appease UH alumni.
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The dude hasn't progressed the past 6-7 games with a "quarterback guru" for a coach. How can anyone expect him to do better with Dennison and Dorel?

Oh well, might as well make sure I guess.
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The dude hasn't progressed the past 6-7 games with a "quarterback guru" for a coach. How can anyone expect him to do better with Dennison and Dorel?

Oh well, might as well make sure I guess.
Well, there's at least one person in McNair who thinks that Kubiak has not facilitated the evaluation and/or development of Keenum. So we get the final three games to see what differences show up. We said he should get ten games at the beginning, so no sense rushing to judgment before those ten games.
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The dude hasn't progressed the past 6-7 games with a "quarterback guru" for a coach. How can anyone expect him to do better with Dennison and Dorel?

Oh well, might as well make sure I guess.
We already saw what he looked like under Dennison & Dorel when Kubiak went out with the stroke....
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At this point it doesn't matter anyway. McNair said they are going to start Case the last three games so they can make a decision on him. I think that's the correct thing to do. Schaub is out, Yates isn't starter material, so they have to find out whether Case is or not. It will most certainly affect the draft.
So, how did you or anyone come up with yates isn't starter material,yet wanna see more of keenum? How can you or anyone determine this on the rose colored logic? Say what u will and missing andre for most of his starts, tj knew where to go with the ball. We never saw 20 yd retreat sacks either. Again, he walked in a hostile cincy with the playoffs on the line,with little time and won that game. Don't forget the atlanta game and the playoff win. Yet, we need to see what case have? Yeah,right.
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You know Wade will be showcasing his style the last 3 weeks in hope of wining the job permanent. I wonder if he changes up the game for Case, this might get interesting.
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So, how did you or anyone come up with yates isn't starter material,yet wanna see more of keenum? How can you or anyone determine this on the rose colored logic? Say what u will and missing andre for most of his starts, tj knew where to go with the ball. We never saw 20 yd retreat sacks either. Again, he walked in a hostile cincy with the playoffs on the line,with little time and won that game. Don't forget the atlanta game and the playoff win. Yet, we need to see what case have? Yeah,right.
Even if you are right, and I don't think you are, it doesn't matter. Uncle Bob wants to see Case play and that's the bottom line. Either Case is the starter next year or they draft a QB or pick up someone. Either way Yates isn't going to be the starter next year. And maybe Case isn't either. We'll see.
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We already saw what he looked like under Dennison & Dorel when Kubiak went out with the stroke....
I know. I posted numbers the other day showing Keenum with and without Kubiak.
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