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Since his first start keenum has at least given us a shot to win games. That's something we hadn't been getting consistently. The qb play is better.
We haven't been able to move the ball in the second half of any game Case has started.

That's no chance at all. I like Case, don't get me wrong. But our chances of winning was better with the guy that could get us across mid-field (heaven knows special teams can't).
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We haven't been able to move the ball in the second half of any game Case has started.

That's no chance at all. I like Case, don't get me wrong. But our chances of winning was better with the guy that could get us across mid-field (heaven knows special teams can't).
Acting like we've only been a one-half team since Case got to play is nothing short of ridiculous.
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People can also say what they want, we lost to KC by 1 point in their house with NO RUNNING BACKS, we were crushing IND at halftime until Kubiak had his stroke, then we go to Arizona with Dennison calling his first game and lose by 3. All in all i'd say all things considered Keenum has done quite well.
Little bit off-topic, but since we're not turning the ball over with as much regularity as Matt (needs to keep that damn helmet off) Schaub, the defensive numbers are starting to reflect what's actually happening. Our lead for the #1 defense in the league has shrunk to 3 yards/game.
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Acting like we've only been a one-half team since Case got to play is nothing short of ridiculous.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying we're the same 1 half team we were. It just looks better with Case making plays in the first half.
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That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying we're the same 1 half team we were. It just looks better with Case making plays in the first half.
What you're saying is you think Schaub gives us a better chance to win because in the second half he consistently moves the ball across midfield (has he really?).

Sorry, saying Schaub gives us a better chance to win renders my mind into co-compute mode. And anything you say automatically becomes irrelevant.
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What you're saying is you think Schaub gives us a better chance to win because in the second half he consistently moves the ball across midfield (has he really?).

Sorry, saying Schaub gives us a better chance to win renders my mind into co-compute mode. And anything you say automatically becomes irrelevant.
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Keenum got the best of McGloin (and Penn State) in the bowl game last year and he'll do it again Sunday vs. the Raiders.

In fact, I think getting a chance to go against him again will be a little extra motivation. I expect Keenum to have a breakout game - and a strong second half.

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That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying we're the same 1 half team we were. It just looks better with Case making plays in the first half.
I believe this is due to the lack of a running game. I think teams start the game with at least some respect for the run, but due to shoddy blocking and and banged up RB, they quickly lose that respect and start pinning their ears back.
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I believe this is due to the lack of a running game. I think teams start the game with at least some respect for the run, but due to shoddy blocking and and banged up RB, they quickly lose that respect and start pinning their ears back.
Otis, IMHO, they just out schemed and outplayed us just enough to win the games. I give them coaches and players credit too.
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Case Keenum gives us a better chance to win the game than Schaub does. That doesn't mean the rest of the players and coaches do their job enough to win. Just because you have a better dog doesn't mean you're gonna beat the bigger dog.
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I believe this is due to the lack of a running game. I think teams start the game with at least some respect for the run, but due to shoddy blocking and and banged up RB, they quickly lose that respect and start pinning their ears back.
Definitely a big part of it.
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Otis, IMHO, they just out schemed and outplayed us just enough to win the games. I give them coaches and players credit too.
No doubt, we lost 3 close games to 3 good teams. In watching the games Case has started, to my eye, you can tell in the second half the defense completely disregards the running game and just flat out attacks Case. It's tough for any QB in this scenario. I think this is why Case struggles in the second half. Our coaching staff needs to make adjustments, and come up with a way to better attack the blitz and burn them a couple times. Oh, and it would help if our line and RBs would block a bit better

On a side note, I'm wondering if our hot reads are too predictable in general. I don't watch the all 22 footage but it seems even going to back to Schaub, the opposing teams seem to know where we are going with the ball when they blitz and they jump those routes, in Schaub's case often turning to pick 6s
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We haven't been able to move the ball in the second half of any game Case has started.

That's no chance at all. I like Case, don't get me wrong. But our chances of winning was better with the guy that could get us across mid-field (heaven knows special teams can't).
Your bias continues to shine through.

If you don't believe we've had a shot to win these last three games then you haven't been watching.
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That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying we're the same 1 half team we were. It just looks better with Case making plays in the first half.
Just looks better?

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We haven't been able to move the ball in the second half of any game Case has started.

That's no chance at all. I like Case, don't get me wrong. But our chances of winning was better with the guy that could get us across mid-field (heaven knows special teams can't).
We seem to forget that Case doesn't call the plays. Anyone can see the play calling change from the first half to the second. Case doesn't block the dline and blitzing LBs. Case doesn't play defense or special teams. Case 'tries' not to run the ball

Anyone who tries to say that Case is the reason for our 2nd half collapses is not seeing the whole picture.

I would say this ... let Case call his own plays the whole game and we would see more consistency ...
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Let him run a no-huddle once in a while, too (and not just at the end of the half or the game).

He did it a lot at UH and we know the results.
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On a side note, I'm wondering if our hot reads are too predictable in general. I don't watch the all 22 footage but it seems even going to back to Schaub, the opposing teams seem to know where we are going with the ball when they blitz and they jump those routes, in Schaub's case often turning to pick 6s
See the thing about that is that most teams have their hot-reads set up the same way. In general, you throw to the hole created by the blitzer. Defenses know that and so they'll pull someone off another route OR drop a lineman to fill that hole unexpectedly. And it's up to the QB to figure out which routes are going to get jumped (or blocked because of a dropping lineman) because that means someone else is going to be open.

It's a big chess match and you win some and you lose some but good QBs win more than they lose.
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Some good analysis in there. I notice our resident detractors haven't bothered to comment on it.
It is good..probably about as unbiased as you're going to get anyway. Either side of the debate could use it to show what they wanted to so why single out his detractors?
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See the thing about that is that most teams have their hot-reads set up the same way. In general, you throw to the hole created by the blitzer. Defenses know that and so they'll pull someone off another route OR drop a lineman to fill that hole unexpectedly. And it's up to the QB to figure out which routes are going to get jumped (or blocked because of a dropping lineman) because that means someone else is going to be open.

It's a big chess match and you win some and you lose some but good QBs win more than they lose.
I agree on the hot reads, but man, we need a new wrinkle or something because even Case in the last game threw a couple that should have been picked. We also really need the OL and RBs to step up, a lot of big plays occur when Ds blitz and they don't get there, exposing the DBs. Problem with us is they get there too often LOL
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Is Keenum looking worse and worse as a starting QB?

Is it Kubiak, lack of confidence leading a losing streak, or just a hiccup in what will be a great career?

I think I am starting to go back towards a 1st round QB....
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