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you cannot fault keenum for these two games.

-1st game two missed td catches special teams and defense.

-2nd game 3 missed field goals, special teams and defense.

Keenum showed he's the real deal going up against two playoff teams with pretty good defenses.
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what's all this throwing the ball to AJ in the end zone stuff anyway?
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what's all this throwing the ball to AJ in the end zone stuff anyway?
Its dumb is what it is! You're also supposed to under throw your receivers to give them a chance to catch it. Everybody knows that.
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Its dumb is what it is! You're also supposed to under throw your receivers to give them a chance to catch it. Everybody knows that.
That's what gets my goat. Everyone knows AJ is old and has lost steps. What's with this making him run by the defender by 4 or five steps and then just having the ball drop in over his shoulder like that. The second TD pass was even worse. He had to stretch to catch it. He's too old for that tom-foolery! And everyone knows he can't catch the fade. It's been a weak point for years.
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At the very least, these two clips should put to bed all the talk of Keenum not having NFL arm strength.
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At the very least, these two clips should put to bed all the talk of Kennum not having NFL arm strength.
They won't, because the people arguing that idiocy aren't capable of objectively evaluating Keenum (or Kennum, either). So just ignore the few remaining holdouts and enjoy the show.

What I want to know is why we've watched AJ all these years not get thrown the ball in the end zone. I mean, I've argued for years that Schaub has cost this team TDs to AJ by leaving the ball short and watching AJ slow up to catch it and having defenders tackle him. You see the opposite of that in the first clip above. But the second and third clips are just thrown to him in the end zone. I've gone back and forth as to why this might be over the years, even entertaining the idea that AJ just isn't that good in the red zone/end zone. I think Keenum showed last night that the problem does not lie with AJ.

And that pisses me off, to be honest. Wasted AJ's talents all these years.
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They won't, because the people arguing that idiocy aren't capable of objectively evaluating Keenum (or Kennum, either). So just ignore the few remaining holdouts and enjoy the show.

What I want to know is why we've watched AJ all these years not get thrown the ball in the end zone. I mean, I've argued for years that Schaub has cost this team TDs to AJ by leaving the ball short and watching AJ slow up to catch it and having defenders tackle him. You see the opposite of that in the first clip above. But the second and third clips are just thrown to him in the end zone. I've gone back and forth as to why this might be over the years, even entertaining the idea that AJ just isn't that good in the red zone/end zone. I think Keenum showed last night that the problem does not lie with AJ.

And that pisses me off, to be honest. Wasted AJ's talents all these years.
I sat back thinking that same thing last night while I was at the game in the enz zone watching AJ make those plays. I was like man 3 TD's in one half and AJ has never gone over 10 TD's in one season. What a waste of utilizing AJ's skill set all of these years.
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They won't, because the people arguing that idiocy aren't capable of objectively evaluating Keenum (or Kennum, either). So just ignore the few remaining holdouts and enjoy the show.

What I want to know is why we've watched AJ all these years not get thrown the ball in the end zone. I mean, I've argued for years that Schaub has cost this team TDs to AJ by leaving the ball short and watching AJ slow up to catch it and having defenders tackle him. You see the opposite of that in the first clip above. But the second and third clips are just thrown to him in the end zone. I've gone back and forth as to why this might be over the years, even entertaining the idea that AJ just isn't that good in the red zone/end zone. I think Keenum showed last night that the problem does not lie with AJ.

And that pisses me off, to be honest. Wasted AJ's talents all these years.
I wondered why the Texans ran an offense that didn't feature Andre in the end zone every time Megatron, Moss, or any number of other big name receivers had multi-touchdown games. The defenses were certainly keying on them too.

Make the defense stop Andre; don't have the offense stop him for them!
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I have been a Texans fan from day one and I have seen enough from the last two games to know that Case should definitely be the starter from here on out. What he did last night was something that I haven't seen from any other Texans QB. Schaub may have put up some decent stats in seasons past but I don't recall seeing him make the throws that Case did last night. He also brings some mobility to the position that Schaub has lacked. He extends plays and turns potential negative plays into something positive and doesn't panic and hang the ball up for any defender to grab and run back for 6. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that he will be the next Tom Brady or Drew Brees but I think that he has shown enough so far that warrants letting him finish out the season as the starter and see how he develops.
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AJ had as many TDs in yesterday's game as he had in the 20 games prior combined.
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AJ had as many TDs in yesterday's game as he had in the 20 games prior combined.
That is sad. It's why I don't want Matt or Gary back next year.
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Just think of what he could do if he had a real NFL arm with some legitimate strength!




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The question has to be does Keenum still look good once teams have tape on him. Tj Yates did until the tape began to tell the tale...

8 weeks to learn on the job, a mid-round flyer is required at the very least to push him and cement a decent backup, possibly a first round starter still.

The kids done as well as he could have so far but the tests will get harder the more tape there is. Our O does look very different all of a sudden and hell need to adjust as opposing Ds adjust to him.
TJ Yates never did what Case did. TJ threw about 150 yards per game with a 80 rating and a 45 QBR. Case is throwing for about 300 yards per game with a 118 rating and a 75 QBR.

In his second game, TJ Yates went 26/44 for 300 yards for 2 TDs and 1 INT and a rating of 85.4 and YPA of 6.82. Case went 20/34 for 350 yards for 3 TDs and a rating of 123.4 and a YPA of 10.29. They are throwing entirely different types of passes.

Yeah... when they get some tape on Case, it might be a problem. Maybe they'll figure him out. But. Case and TJ are in two totally different worlds.
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what makes me positively giddy is that you couldnt walk over and hand andre the ball in a better spot. the only one slightly off is the second, where andre stalls for a beat, not expecting his quarterback to have the guts and accuracy to drop one onto the baseline over a defender. this happened all game, with MAYBE 2 passes that werent in an ideal location. the accuracy, especially on deep balls is just uncanny.
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what makes me positively giddy is that you couldnt walk over and hand andre the ball in a better spot. the only one slightly off is the second, where andre stalls for a beat, not expecting his quarterback to have the guts and accuracy to drop one onto the baseline over a defender. this happened all game, with MAYBE 2 passes that werent in an ideal location. the accuracy, especially on deep balls is just uncanny.
He hesitated cuz he so used to Noodle Arm under throwing him...

I think the Fade couldve been thrown a little better, cuz had the CB not slipped or jump early its either a pick or an incomplete
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Keenum's team now. I think next we need to figure out what other position besides QB we spend that first round pick on....
Two spots for me - RT and NT. Fix those and it fixes a lot of other things in the process.


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>The question has to be does Keenum still look good once teams have tape on him. Tj Yates did until the tape began to tell the tale...

I will have my answer after the New England game...

Belichick pulled down Gary's pants twice because he attacked Schaub
in the best way possible to wreck the style of offense we play.

If, by some miracle, Dennison turns out to be a legitimate play caller
and Keenum either wins -- or puts us in a position to win -- then
I think we will know he can compete down the road as a starter in
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I think the Fade couldve been thrown a little better, cuz had the CB not slipped or jump early its either a pick or an incomplete
it sure is fun to be nit-picking an endzone fade touchdown to andre though isnt it? lol. it's too bad we havent been judging andre's touchdowns the last 10 years because noone else will make that throw.

i know we lost, and i took it pretty hard last night, but seeing these .gifs today has just reminded me that it's going to be ok in the end. keenum's the real deal, we're only missing a tackle on offense, and the defense will rebound next year with some much overdue moves.
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it sure is fun to be nit-picking an endzone fade touchdown to andre though isnt it? lol. it's too bad we havent been judging andre's touchdowns the last 10 years because noone else will make that throw.

i know we lost, and i took it pretty hard last night, but seeing these .gifs today has just reminded me that it's going to be ok in the end. keenum's the real deal, we're only missing a tackle on offense, and the defense will rebound next year with some much overdue moves.
They should have had that game in the bag .... that strip fumble that was ruled in the grasp sucked balls as did that call that went against AJ late resulting in a freaking 19 yard punt by Lechler.


Toss in three missed FG's by some liquored up kicker .... ugh.
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