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Old 10-31-2013   #261
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Heard on the radio a couple days ago that the 6 plays of 25+ yards in the KC game was more in one game than the Texans have ever had. Schaub threw for 527 yards in one game last year and they didn't do it.
If he doesn't improve on anything but the fumbles, he'll be a very fine QB.


But I really want to see how he performs after throwing an INT (not anytime soon mind you). Gotta see if he's got that short memory, something Schaub lost quiet some time ago.
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If he doesn't improve on anything but the fumbles, he'll be a very fine QB.


But I really want to see how he performs after throwing an INT (not anytime soon mind you). Gotta see if he's got that short memory, something Schaub lost quiet some time ago.
He lost his memory quietly, or did you mean he lost it quite some time ago. The Grammar Police need an answer.

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He lost his memory quietly, or did you mean he lost it quite some time ago. The Grammar Police need an answer.

I believe it to be the former, because Matt does everything quietly. He may have sulked about it, but I doubt he made any noise ...
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Heard on the radio a couple days ago that the 6 plays of 25+ yards in the KC game was more in one game than the Texans have ever had. Schaub threw for 527 yards in one game last year and they didn't do it.
Yes. It was a striking difference to see the big play again. However, KC was asking for it. They played more zero deep coverage than I have seen since Mike Zimmer was in Dallas. Teams don't show that look to Schaub, nor do they run a coverage with nobody deep. It doesn't make sens for them to.

That being said, KC thought they could bully and pressure Keenum and he made them pay. Good sign!
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Yes. It was a striking difference to see the big play again. However, KC was asking for it. They played more zero deep coverage than I have seen since Mike Zimmer was in Dallas. Teams don't show that look to Schaub, nor do they run a coverage with nobody deep. It doesn't make sens for them to.

That being said, KC thought they could bully and pressure Keenum and he made them pay. Good sign!
I hope the Dolt's do the same. Keenum showed that he could do damage given reasonable time.

That said, I bet Keenum studied blitzes a ridiculous amount of time the last two weeks. His hot read could have a monster game this week. Keenum could to, if the play calling is right. I'd love to see the 1st 300-300 passer.
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Texans Chick asserts that the offensive scheme will make some adjustments that maximize Keenum's strengths.

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In the game against the Chiefs, the Texans used substantially more shotgun/pistol formations than usual. The Texans offense under Matt Schaub in 2012 used pistol/shotgun 22% per the Football Outsiders Almanac, which ranks its usage at 32nd in the NFL.
Quoting Bill Barnwell from Grantland to support that assertion:

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Now, packaged plays aren’t anything new to the NFL, and I haven’t watched every Texans snap over the past few years, but I don’t think Gary Kubiak had this in his playbook for Schaub. It’s reminiscent of the offensive scheme Keenum ran in college, and it’s no surprise that Kubiak installed it to give Keenum a play he was experienced and comfortable running during a testing first start."


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I strongly suggest reading the Keenum/Texans part of that article. He thinks that some of the concepts that Washington uses with Robert Griffin III may be used with Keenum in the offense, particularly with more time over the bye week to incorporate these things in the offense.
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And another interesting article about how Keenum is cut from the cloth of the Texas quarterback.

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When Chicago's Josh McCown faces the Packers on Sunday, he'll become the 11th quarterback who played high school football in Texas to start an NFL game this season. Over the summer I spent time in Houston, College Station and Austin for a Sports Illustrated feature on why so many quarterbacks are coming from the Lone Star state. Spread offenses, seven-on-seven, state of the art facilities and training jumped out. But Texas football has also gained a reputation for producing quarterbacks with a certain mindset.

From Drew Brees to Matthew Stafford to Andrew Luck, Texas QBs are gunslingers -- confident passers not afraid of big moments or throwing the ball to dangerous places. I expected people to talk about Johnny Manziel as the embodiment of this attitude ... and many did. But Case Keenum was another name that came up again and again as a great example of a true Texas quarterback. And this is when he was just a practice squad player for the Texans. Now Keenum is starting and hoping to become the latest in the line of successful Texas signal-callers.
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Quoting Bill Barnwell from Grantland to support that assertion:



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Read both Stradley's article and Barnwell's.
Now that Keenum is okay in Madden, I always run the Texans with the Washington offense playbook. They are so fun to play with that way. Should be fun to watch on Sunday.
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And another interesting article about how Keenum is cut from the cloth of the Texas quarterback.



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I remember many a great Saturdays watchin this guy lead the Coogs to Victory. He just has that IT factor. I just hope it can transfer over to this level... The odds are long, but still have hope.
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"The people's Champ"..

It's pretty sad when the majority of the city could recognize the move that should've been made well before the coaching staff does.
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Just watched Keenum's full interview on houstontexans.com.

The thing that stuck out the most to me:

I've never seen anyone so excited and happy to take the reigns
of a 2-5 team on a 5 game losing streak _against_ a team that
everyone in the country says will win.

The guy loves the game so much, and loves to get his chance
to play here for this team so much, that he's willing to risk
a beatdown (and all of the negative press that would come with that)
just to strap up and get out there.

After following him for a while, you just know that his grin isn't
fake. The kid has dreamed about this day his entire life regardless
of the outcome.

And that is the one "unmeasureable" that he has over Schaub and
Yates that can really (potentially) make his teammates better around
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& he's still an All-pro.
I hate to do this, and if I'm flamed I understand. I love Andre as much as any other Texans fan does. But I have to know... Is Andre really still an all pro this year? Is he putting up all pro numbers and production? Is he making the tough yards? Are his catches blowing games open? I know it is almost blasphemy to question Andre. I'm sorry that I am, but He has lost a step or two, and I don't se him as the difference maker he used to be. I know he's still good, but I'm not sure he is still all pro caliber, and I want him to prove my doubts wrong.
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I hate to do this, and if I'm flamed I understand. I love Andre as much as any other Texans fan does. But I have to know... Is Andre really still an all pro this year? Is he putting up all pro numbers and production? Is he making the tough yards? Are his catches blowing games open? I know it is almost blasphemy to question Andre. I'm sorry that I am, but He has lost a step or two, and I don't se him as the difference maker he used to be. I know he's still good, but I'm not sure he is still all pro caliber, and I want him to prove my doubts wrong.
I seem to recall strong numbers and a couple of game changing/winning plays last year until Schaubs arm petered out. Let's give him a couple of games with Keenum before we start the talk of AJ's decline.
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I hate to do this, and if I'm flamed I understand. I love Andre as much as any other Texans fan does. But I have to know... Is Andre really still an all pro this year? Is he putting up all pro numbers and production? Is he making the tough yards? Are his catches blowing games open? I know it is almost blasphemy to question Andre. I'm sorry that I am, but He has lost a step or two, and I don't se him as the difference maker he used to be. I know he's still good, but I'm not sure he is still all pro caliber, and I want him to prove my doubts wrong.
Last season, AJ put up career numbers. It's evident that he lost a step after having his hamstring clipped, and I doubt we'll see as many jaw dropping plays from him going forward as we have in the past. Nonetheless, he put up career numbers. Think about how good he is, how long he's been good, and he just now got around to putting up the best stats of his career.

112 catches (2nd to the 115 he put up in '08)
1598 yards (career best)
14.3 average (his 4th best, but his best is just 14.9)
99.9 yards per game (career best)
23 plays of 20+ yards (career best)
79 1st downs (career best, tied)

This year, his only problem has been the QB. He has 48 catches through 7 games, which puts him on pace for 110ish. But the yardage from those catches has been down. Through the first 6 games, he was averaging 11.25 yards per catch. In the game vs. KC, he averaged 22.3 yards per catch, bringing his season average up to 12.2. If Keenum can keep the vertical component of the offense going, I expect AJ will finish the season with 110 catches with close to a 14 yard average. That's somewhere in the neighborhood of 1500+ yards, which would make him the first ever WR to exceed 1500 yards 4 times, if I am not mistaken.

Of course, he'll finish with 2 TDs, so there's always that. As much as I love AJ, I'd fill my All Pro team with guys who get in the end zone. Points on the board are better than yardage on the stat sheet.
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"The people's Champ"..

It's pretty sad when the majority of the city could recognize the move that should've been made well before the coaching staff does.
This is true, and it's the result of Gary Kubiak's primary fault: Personnel decisions. His decisions are made through an anti-synygernistic mix of too much loyalty and inconsistent talent evaluation. I could write at length on this in one of the Kubiak threads, but it is relevant to this situation because Kubiak could not abandon his vision of Schaub as a championship calibre quarterback. He still sees Schaub as that 2011, pre-injury leader whose star is rising. Shedding that vision is gut wrenching, because Kubiak's a good natured guy who never wants to retire with a regret as heavy as not giving Schaub a fair opportunity.

Also note how Kubiak's successful personnel decisions are the result of process, not his initial evaluations. Foster got his job through process, but Kubiak had a good impression of Chris Brown. Frank Bush was also his idea, which resulted in Kubiak losing decision making power in that aspect of the organization. Keenum may be the next successful personnel decision influenced by process, but it's a unique outcome since it also required Kubiak's decision to pass over Yates. There's some implication of his job stability in an out-of-process risk like that.

For the record, I actually think Kubiak is a pretty good coach. He doesn't call any more broken plays than any other winning coach in the league, and he develops quaterbacks well. He just needs to have limited power in the areas where he's weak -- specifically personnel decisions.
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I hate to do this, and if I'm flamed I understand. I love Andre as much as any other Texans fan does. But I have to know... Is Andre really still an all pro this year? Is he putting up all pro numbers and production? Is he making the tough yards? Are his catches blowing games open? I know it is almost blasphemy to question Andre. I'm sorry that I am, but He has lost a step or two, and I don't se him as the difference maker he used to be. I know he's still good, but I'm not sure he is still all pro caliber, and I want him to prove my doubts wrong.
I'm a big Andre fan. He's a very good player. However, he is no longer a dynamic threat. He does not have break away speed anymore and is no longer special in the open field. His hands have always been inconsistent. He's still big, strong, and competitive. However, in essence, he should be a #2 WR... not that he should get fewer touches but that the team needs utilize someone else to threaten the defense vertically and to make big plays in the seams, which is what is exciting about Hopkins and Posey. Both of those players have that potential/ability.
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Quoting Bill Barnwell from Grantland to support that assertion:



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Read both Stradley's article and Barnwell's.
See, while it sounds nice in theory, I don't agree that this is the way to go with Keenum. Or, at least, not wholly as the article implies...and as the game against KC implied.

The fact is, much was made in the off season about Keenum working on this 3, 5 and 7-step drops from under center, as well as his knowledge of the playbook. This was further validated by Keenum's performances in the pre-season where he primarily operated under center, until the last pre-season game. The results?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4LpCbVTp-g

Everyone has seen this video, but notice his footwork looks as if he has been doing it for years. This was/is a good sign - and they were TDs, too! Now, instead, we're talking about using these "RGIII packages," almost negating the hard work Case put in to be a more complete NFL QB and not a spread guy.

Really, we should be looking at what Brees and Cam Newton do in shotgun and under center for a more viable options for Case. Case isn't going to run a read-option too well, so why not confuse the defenses with what the Texans do best by masking their runs and passes, using the same formations?

I think so. In fact, I know so.
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That slant that Kennum hit Posey on was great. He hit him in stride and showed great explosion as he cut up field, people shouldn't sleep on that kid.. he still has a lot of upside and was starting to make plays before his injury last season.. He hasn't played a lot of football due to injury/suspension the last couple of years, but as he gets more time knocking off the rust I only see him getting better and better. Hopkins is more polished and more skillful, but Posey might have the best upside.

As far as Andre.. as these young guys start making plays and atract attention away from Andre, if the defense naps on him, he can still get behind them for big plays and he still has no problem getting open being the savy vet that he is. However it was completely stupid and selfish to snip his hamstring, the Texans were just thinking "for today" instead of for the future. They should've shut him down and gave him the best long term surgurical procedure.
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