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Old 10-22-2013   #241
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They are just going based on names, i bet a majority of the voters didnt see Case play last week either. Remember the bootleg where case just keep moving around and hit AJ for that 45 yard pass ? That kind of stuff is fun to watch, i see so much upside to Case that i cant helped but be pumped about his next game, and i know he could lead this team where it wants to be.
The Hail Mary was at least 50 yards; it headed right at Graham, but Jean had a hand on it first, only to tip it away.
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i think i spent most of the game saying "matt schaub cant do that". it was fun to watch those plays, stuff that we havent seen in our 11 years. the floater to hopkins for a touchdown was another, matt cant drop in the over-the-shoulder rain maker like that. the cross-body bomb to graham without having time to plant his feet was beautiful. running towards the line of scrimmage and firing a strike was great. even losing i had a huge grin. no quarterback in our tenure has made those throws, forget about doing it in one half of play. it's taking all i've got to temper my enthusiasm, and as yall see, it's not working lol.
Between the throw to Graham on the bootleg like you said, and the hail-Mary pass, I have no idea why some people, like Leebig, keep insisting that Keenum doesn't have the arm. I'm afraid I might go bald scratching my head.
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No doubt it was really fun to watch. This was keenums first game, he will learn to since the pass rush better. I'm sure the game was still really fast for him, and even with it his first NFL game. He looked like a confident vet out there to me.

Best thing about it for me was seeing him run down the field jumping up and down after the TD pass to hopkins, i love the kids enthusiasm. He makes watching this team fun again.
He saw the pass rush alright.
He did one better; he ate a sack from an overload blitz by the DB because he realized that another defender was dropping back to try to intercept any pass to the hot route. That would have been a pick by Schaub; probably a pick-six too.

The Chiefs were baiting him there; they certainly knew about "our tendency".

The same thing happened on the first fumble.
Both Newton, and especially Brook, got beat right off the bat.
Keenum was trying to buy a little time for Graham to clear when the second guy got to him.
I would have liked for Keenum to take the sack right away there; that one was on him.

But think about it, if either Newton or Brook had done their job just a hair better (don't get beat so bad so quickly), Keenum would have made that play.

The second fumble was unfortunate.
Brown got beat to the inside, Keenum never had a chance to even get rid of the ball.
If he raises his arm; he would have been clobbered.
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The coverage was to the outside.
The CB was looking for the outside fade.
Hopkins was looking to the inside all the way.
He had both hands on the ball.
The CB did a good job recovering and poke the ball out.
Hopkins, IMO, misjudge the flight of the ball by a hair; he wasn't able to use his body to shield the defender from the ball.
The ball placement was good; only Hopkins can catch the ball.
Placement was good, not great.

It's really a minor thing but he could have put it a bit higher and not as far out front. But you're right, it was a good ball and right until he dropped it at the end I thought it was TD.
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Between the throw to Graham on the bootleg like you said, and the hail-Mary pass, I have no idea why some people, like Leebig, keep insisting that Keenum doesn't have the arm. I'm afraid I might go bald scratching my head.
I thought the throw to Graham was the only one that impressed me. They all had too much air under them. Those weren't throws I thought other QBs couldn't or haven't made.

But the one where he didn't get to set his feet, where it was all arm... that showed potential.
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Remember the play where Keenum threw the ball at the feet of our guys?
He saw right away that the play was dead as a defender was waiting to intercept the quick pass; Keenum simply lived to played another down.
And some people complained about it.
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Placement was good, not great.

It's really a minor thing but he could have put it a bit higher and not as far out front. But you're right, it was a good ball and right until he dropped it at the end I thought it was TD.
And so I didn't use the term "great".
Honestly, any time the receiver had both hands on the ball; it's a good throw.
Even Kubiak had to say that Hopkins caught that ball 9 out 10 times;
I prefer 29 out of 30 though.
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I thought the throw to Graham was the only one that impressed me. They all had too much air under them. Those weren't throws I thought other QBs couldn't or haven't made.

But the one where he didn't get to set his feet, where it was all arm... that showed potential.
I keep saying that Keenum is a Walsh-type of QB, as opposed to a Madden-type of QB.

Madden wants his QB to zip it every time, not so with Walsh.
He only requires a throw on the rope when needed; otherwise, he wants a catchable ball.
Besides, Keenum is a short guy, he does need a little more lob to get the ball past the pass rusher.
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Any NFL receiver worth his salt who is able to get both his hands on a ball will tell you he should make the catch. Was the pass perfect, no, but that's picking at straws.. it was good enough and QBs don't always make perfect passes, sometimes you just have to make a play for your QB. This comment has nothing to do with what I think about Hopkins' ability as Andre doesn't even always make the play. I'm sure Hopkins will make plenty of tougher catches in the future, it just didn't happen this time.
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Any NFL receiver worth his salt who is able to get both his hands on a ball will tell you he should make the catch. Was the pass perfect, no, but that's picking at straws.. it was good enough and QBs don't always make perfect passes, sometimes you just have to make a play for your QB. This comment has nothing to do with what I think about Hopkins' ability as Andre doesn't even always make the play. I'm sure Hopkins will make plenty of tougher catches in the future, it just didn't happen this time.
It would've been a helluva catch. The ball could've been placed better, no doubt. I would say that both DHOP and Case wish they could run that play again. Growing pains. Better than seeing the death throes from Schaub.
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It would've been a helluva catch. The ball could've been placed better, no doubt. I would say that both DHOP and Case wish they could run that play again. Growing pains. Better than seeing the death throes from Schaub.
It was a catch until the CB recovered and put a hand in between Hopkins' to jarr the ball loose. Hopkins probably expected the ball a bit closer to him and so he didn't position his body well enough to shield the defender from the ball.

Case made the quick read; as he saw the CB played the outside fade, he threw the ball to the inside. If Hopkins was on the same page, he would have fly to the ball instead of jumping up and because of that, he had to extend his arms to catch the ball. The CB also had a hand on Hopkins' waist to prevent him from lunging toward the ball.
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LOL Bleacherreport, you're reaching.
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I think the article is ridiculous and I am not posting thinking that it needed that explanation. I literally posted the part I disagreed with the most.
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Matt Schaub = meatloaf, if everything around him is great he's ok.
Case Keenum = bacon, makes everyone around him better.
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Case Keenum = bacon, makes everyone around him better.
I hope we get to a point where that is true about Case. However, I don't think we are at that point yet. He's basically a rookie with All-Pros all around him & we don't need him to be 2012 Tom Brady. We need him to be 2002 Tom Brady.

At the same time, we need the 2013 Texans to play like those 2002 Patriots.
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I hope we get to a point where that is true about Case. However, I don't think we are at that point yet. He's basically a rookie with All-Pros all around him & we don't need him to be 2012 Tom Brady. We need him to be 2002 Tom Brady.

At the same time, we need the 2013 Texans to play like those 2002 Patriots.
we want tom brady? we can't even have last years watt or a healthy cushing let alone we have a broken schaub for the last year....
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He's basically a rookie with All-Pros all around him
2 All Pros (Daniels & Foster) didn't play for the most part. The much heralded backup RB didn't play for the most part. Many question the All Pro ability of Wade Wilson, Andre Johnson is beyond his All Pro prime and Duane Brown has had his struggles this year. That leaves ONE, Chris Myers who may be playing to that level. That leaves a talented rookie WR and 2 linemen who have significantly under-performed. So don't insinuate that he stepped into a well-oiled offensive machine and just had to not make mistakes. He HAD to MAKE AND CREATE plays to have the day he did. Our other 2 QBs would have been wookie fodder for that defense.
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2 All Pros (Daniels & Foster) didn't play for the most part. The much heralded backup RB didn't play for the most part. Many question the All Pro ability of Wade Wilson, Andre Johnson is beyond his All Pro prime and Duane Brown has had his struggles this year. That leaves ONE, Chris Myers who may be playing to that level. That leaves a talented rookie WR and 2 linemen who have significantly under-performed. So don't insinuate that he stepped into a well-oiled offensive machine and just had to not make mistakes. He HAD to MAKE AND CREATE plays to have the day he did. Our other 2 QBs would have been wookie fodder for that defense.
I'm going to insinuate.... that's what I do.

Besides, we're talking about two different things here. You're talking about last game, I'm talking about the next game.

We need the team to step up. There's no way around it. Our UDFA outplayed everybody on the field last Sunday, bully for him. To save the season we've got to win games.... didn't happen last Sunday. To win games, we need the veteran players around him to step up.... don't insinuate otherwise.

And don't look at Andre's age, he's playing every bit at a all-pro level.
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I'm going to insinuate.... that's what I do.

Besides, we're talking about two different things here. You're talking about last game, I'm talking about the next game.

We need the team to step up. There's no way around it. Our UDFA outplayed everybody on the field last Sunday, bully for him. To save the season we've got to win games.... didn't happen last Sunday. To win games, we need the veteran players around him to step up.... don't insinuate otherwise.

And don't look at Andre's age, he's playing every bit at a all-pro level.
Agreed! Andre is still playing at a high level and I think Case his infused some excitement into him and the other receivers. However, he has lost a step from his best years.
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