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Old 10-22-2013   #201
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So we can start talking about yards again?
No. At the end of the day, the team landed on 16 points again, which (almost - they had a safety one time) always irritates me. But given the circumstances, I'm willing to see more. I'd rather see what Keenum can do with the opportunity than watch what Schaub has done with the opportunity.
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In his first NFL start, Keenum’s performance was the best in franchise history for a first-time quarterback with 271 yards passing, surpassing Matt Schaub’s previous record of 225 yards. Keenum was 15-of-25 with one touchdown, ten yards rushing, and a passer rating of 110.6.


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Kubiak said he was most impressed with Keenum’s ability to run the offense and call plays despite the noise at Arrowhead Stadium. With Schaub getting closer to returning, Kubiak says he has a tough decision on which quarterback will start against Indianapolis on November 3.

“That’s a difficult call, either way, from that standpoint,” Kubiak said. “I’m going to look at it. Matt is back moving around a little bit today. We’ve got a bye week here. We have a couple of days to evaluate ourselves, evaluate our football team and see where we’re at and then I will do what I think is best for the team.”
Besides all the obvious reasons, after Case's admirable performance under the most difficult of circumstances, to put one-footed, INT and pic-6 specialist Schaub out there on national TV again will be the ultimate embarrassment for this team and this city...........a perceptual embarrassment that we are unlikely to recover from anywhere in the foreseeable future. And Kubiak will no longer be remembered for his glory days of a QB guru.........only for his stubbornness in sticking with a failed Houston "experiment."

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Besides all the obvious reasons, after Case's admirable performance under the most difficult of circumstances, to put one-footed, INT and pic-6 specialist Schaub out there on national TV again will be the ultimate embarrassment for this team and this city...........a perceptual embarrassment that we are unlikely to recover from anywhere in the foreseeable future. And Kubiak will no longer be remembered for his glory days of a QB guru.........only for his stubbornness in sticking with a failed Houston "experiment."



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No. At the end of the day, the team landed on 16 points again, which (almost - they had a safety one time) always irritates me. But given the circumstances, I'm willing to see more. I'd rather see what Keenum can do with the opportunity than watch what Schaub has done with the opportunity.
At the end of the day, Keenum or Schaub, they are just holding down the fort until a franchise QB can be drafted next year. I'm good with either, though Keenum is at least fun to watch.
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Considering Kubiak's risk/reward in this decision, Keenum will start.

What does Kubiak gain by winning with Schaub? It means we'd be back on track with a guy whose ceiling has been apparent for seven years, and who could melt down at any moment.

What happens if he loses with Schaub? Kubiak's seat gets a lot warmer.

Win with Keenum? We're exploring the hometown hero's talent, and games are exciting for fans and players again.

Lose with Keenum? We're exploring the hometown hero's talent, and games are exciting for fans and players again.
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We don't need to draft a QB in the upcoming draft. On that side of the ball our biggest single need is competent offensive linemen who can pass protect. Everything else is fine as it is.

We have RB's. We have WR's. We have a fine young QB who can sling it, is accurate, and mobile. We just can't block worth a damn and that needs to be fixed ASAP. We have some kind of implosion going on over there and none of them look worth a damn right now. No one.
I dunno bout all dat. I think it's way, way too soon to declare Case as the heir apparent. If we draft about where I think we will, in the 6-10 range, we may very well have a chance at a franchise QB. You don't turn those down unless you have one. Now, if you think Case is a franchise QB, then pass them up....but personally it would take an awful lot to convince me that Case is the franshice QB we need to compete with Andrew Luck.

There are two kinds of teams in the NFL. Those with a QB and those without. And by QB I mean a franchise QB or close to it. Case may be serviceable, but serviceable isn't going to get you a Lombardi 99% of the time.

I liked what I saw and I think he deserves his shot. I would give him the rest of the year. My best educated guess is he proves himself to be a very good backup, spot starter, fireplug type of guy and he'll carve out a nice career doing that. I do not think he is a franchise type guy - but I'm willing to be proven wrong.
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I dunno bout all dat. I think it's way, way too soon to declare Case as the heir apparent. If we draft about where I think we will, in the 6-10 range, we may very well have a chance at a franchise QB. You don't turn those down unless you have one. Now, if you think Case is a franchise QB, then pass them up....but personally it would take an awful lot to convince me that Case is the franshice QB we need to compete with Andrew Luck.

There are two kinds of teams in the NFL. Those with a QB and those without. And by QB I mean a franchise QB or close to it. Case may be serviceable, but serviceable isn't going to get you a Lombardi 99% of the time.

I liked what I saw and I think he deserves his shot. I would give him the rest of the year. My best educated guess is he proves himself to be a very good backup, spot starter, fireplug type of guy and he'll carve out a nice career doing that. I do not think he is a franchise type guy - but I'm willing to be proven wrong.
What do you see in the QBs in the next draft class that makes you think you can get a bona-fide franchise QB in the 6-10th range?

I see none.
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What do you see in the QBs in the next draft class that makes you think you can get a bona-fide franchise QB in the 6-10th range?

I see none.
Well it's still early and draft grades will rise and fall not too mention the impact of potential under classmen but this looks to be a really good draft for QB's. Perhaps rivaling 1983 - perhaps. Still to be seen.

Bridgewater will be gone. After that who knows. I agree that it's early, but to say flat out there will be no QB's worthy of a high to mid first round grade is also premature to say the least.
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What do you see in the QBs in the next draft class that makes you think you can get a bona-fide franchise QB in the 6-10th range?

I see none.
The 2014 NFL Draft Could Be One Of The Best Quarterback Drafts Ever

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There might be nine quarterbacks in the 2014 NFL Draft who are good enough to be taken in the first round, an NFL scout told Sports Illustrated's Peter King.

That doesn't mean nine will be taken in Round One (not that many teams need QBs), but King says there are nine guys who could get "first round grades" from NFL scouts.
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Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville
Aaron Murray, Georgia
Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
AJ McCarron, Alabama
Tajh Boyd, Clemson
Zach Mettenberger, LSU
Braxton Miller, Ohio State
Marcus Mariota, Oregon
Derek Carr, Fresno State
Brett Hundley, UCLA*
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It's worth noting that other draft prognosticators aren't as bullish on this group. ESPN's Mel Kiper only has Bridgewater, Hundley, and Mariota among his top-25. We also aren't 100% sure if the underclassmen on this list will come out.

But still, these are big, intriguing names, and everyone agrees they'll be better than last year's class.

Four of these ten guys (Manziel, Miller, Mariota, Hundley) are dual-threat players in the mold of Russell Wilson or RGIII. These types of non-traditional players have historically been downgraded on NFL draft boards, but that appears to be changing.

By our count there are eight teams that we can see taking a QB in the first round: Philadelphia, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Arizona, Cleveland, Houston, Jacksonville, and Oakland.
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I know it's a deep class and I've watched them all play; I don't see a sure-fire franchise QB in the mold that you wanted.

They all have flaws, even the near-consensus Bridgewater.
His play under pressure remains questionable.
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Regarding drafting a QB. If Case proves himself and becomes our franchise QB, do we still keep Yates around? Draft a late round project? Pickup a journeyman in Free agency?
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I know it's a deep class and I've watched them all play; I don't see a sure-fire franchise QB in the mold that you wanted.

They all have flaws, even the near-consensus Bridgewater.
His play under pressure remains questionable.
Until I see Bridgewater actually play a good defense, I will not be convinced of his NFL future. I would go with almost any SEC QB before Bridgewater...
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Regarding drafting a QB. If Case proves himself and becomes our franchise QB, do we still keep Yates around? Draft a late round project? Pickup a journeyman in Free agency?
I think you do exactly what the Redskins did, drafted RG3 then turned around and drafted Cousins in the 2nd round(?)

If Keenum is your guy for next year, still take a good QB with the 1st or 2nd round pick and have him in the waiting.
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Well it's still early and draft grades will rise and fall not too mention the impact of potential under classmen but this looks to be a really good draft for QB's. Perhaps rivaling 1983 - perhaps. Still to be seen.

Bridgewater will be gone. After that who knows. I agree that it's early, but to say flat out there will be no QB's worthy of a high to mid first round grade is also premature to say the least.
It is still early and if we're lucky, and Gary Kubiak finds a clue we should have 9 more games to see if Case Keenum is the answer or just a placeholder.

Lots of football still to be played and while it may no longer be about the playoffs it is still about our future. In 9 games I think we'll know enough about Case Keenum to make a good decision.

If our brain trust is in fact capable of making a good decision and if they put him out there to see how he does. They might just give us 9 weeks of Matt Sloth and his amazing one-legged QB impersonation.
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Regarding drafting a QB. If Case proves himself and becomes our franchise QB, do we still keep Yates around? Draft a late round project? Pickup a journeyman in Free agency?
I still think Kubiak is a "great" (all lower caps) offensive coordinator. Schaub was a 3rd round draft pick that excelled in Kubiak's system. I think Tj is smart enough to play in this system, at least for a back up.

I think Keenum is going to be great running this offense.

But you should always be drafting QBs, just like you should always be drafting OL, pass rushers, & CB.

I'd take a flyer on Freeman if he's taking vet minimum, just like taking a look at Lienart or Grossman & if I've got someone I like better than Tj I wouldn't hesitate to make the swap.
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I think you do exactly what the Redskins did, drafted RG3 then turned around and drafted Cousins in the 2nd round(?)

If Keenum is your guy for next year, still take a good QB with the 1st or 2nd round pick and have him in the waiting.
I say that you have too many other needs to do that (if as you're saying we are convinced that Keenum is the guy to take the Texans there).

In that scenario I'm looking for a RT in the first if I can get him and an ILB in the second. I have no time for luxury item QB's who will sit on the bench behind Keenum. Yates can do that and an older veteran can do that behind Yates.

Maybe if one really falls. Maybe. Most likely though I wait until 2015 or later if I think Keenum is the second coming of Drew Brees.
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Lots of football still to be played and while it may no longer be about the playoffs it is still about our future.
Indy is still a winnable game at home.

Arizona, Jacksonville, & Oakland are as well. There's no reason we can't be 6-5 by the time we get to New England. Let's say we lose that one & we're 6-6.

We go to Jacksonville..... 7-6

Stranger things have happened, we might win in Indy.

Denver...... the secret is defense & ToP, same as it's always been. We can beat Denver at home. (or maybe they sit their starters, who knows?)

@Tennessee why not? 10-6.


A four game win streak, lose to New England, another 4 game win streak. Maybe we'll get a wild card & play Cincy on the road again.
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Holy crap, it just dawned on me, Case is going to cost us Manziel! Put Schaub in!
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