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Old 10-21-2013   #181
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No, Mr Tex, the risks are different.

First off, when you kneel down, your entire team only has to concentrate on forming a wall. The Center only needs to concentrate on pulling the ball off the ground and handing it backward to the QB. The QB's job is to put a knee on thee ground immediately. It's like in golf when you have the ball right next to the hole.

A snap when you try to run with the ball (a QB sneak for example) involves the C having to think about blocking right after the snap; he has to think about more than one thing.

Secondly, a run or any other type of play involves contact; that's an extra risk.
just agree to disagree on the level of risk.....
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You guys should let this guy know what you think.
I think it's funny that he just assumes Keenum can't adjust at all and will burn out. Maybe he's right, but maybe he's dead wrong
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Newton went after the ball and made contact with D. Johnson.
I don't know if you want to coach your O-linemen not to try to recover the ball; it seems rather counter-intuitive. Yes? No?
I'm not blaming anyone. But if I was in that situation I'm telling my guys, if they get a pick or fumble, let them score.

A lot if situational things are counterintuitive. That's where discipline comes in.

It's counterintuitive to pick up a fumble on the 5 yard line and not score. But in that situation it's actually the right thing to do.

Again, I'm not blaming anyone. It happened, but if I was in that situation again I'd tell then to let them score.
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I'm not blaming anyone. But if I was in that situation I'm telling my guys, if they get a pick or fumble, let them score.

A lot if situational things are counterintuitive. That's where discipline comes in.

It's counterintuitive to pick up a fumble on the 5 yard line and not score. But in that situation it's actually the right thing to do.

Again, I'm not blaming anyone. It happened, but if I was in that situation again I'd tell then to let them score.
Perhaps; but again, Newton wasn't trying to prevent a score; he wanted to recover the fumble.
If he was succesful, the Texans would still have the ball.
If it was fourth down, I would say for sure, don't even try to touch the ball; stay away.

It's a tough call.
Look at D. Johnson; he didn't want to go down; he wanted to score.
In the Chiefs' case, it was best for them not to score so they can run out the clock.
Johnson was wanting a TD there, don't you think?
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Yep and that is the sign of a true leader, when he takes the blame instead of putting it on everyone.
First, I don't think Schaub was trying to displace blame anywhere. He's just gotten too comfortable repeating what Kubiak said. Coming from Kubiak it's alright.. sounds like he's "protecting" a 10 year vet where you wouldn't think a 10 year vet needs protecting. I do agree Schaub should never have said "we" & whether he thought all the blame should have been on him or not, you're right as the leader of the team he needs to draw the blame to himself & protect his guys the way Kubiak was trying to protect his guy.

But what's even better than Keenum taking the blame...
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Praising those guys in front of him that could have done a better job. It's okay.... expected that a guy would make mental mistakes in his first start at the QB position. But there appeared to be some mental gaffs by both Brown & Wade...... & Brooks isn't a rookie either (Newton's mistakes were far beyond mental Gaffes & I'll have to go back but nothing Myers did really sticks out).

Again, Matt parroted Kubiak's words, "They were battling all day."
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we would've lost by more than 1 point if KC would've elected to punch it in for a TD on Keenum's sack fumble at the 1 inch line....
Or if Reid took the points instead of gambling on 4th down. We'd have lost by 4.
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I think that's something that should always be taken into account. However, Gary Kubiak is a much better OC than Chan Gailey. He made Matt Schaub nigh elite & Keenum is much more talented. If he's as smart, he'll do better than Tyler Thigpen, better than Schaub.

Kaepernick & RG3 are going to have to start running NFL offenses or they're not going to last long. Andrew Luck & Russel Wilson are gong to have to improve running their offenses. Which reminds me of an article I read awhile back
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An earlier article by Davis Hsu mentions the "sippy cup lid" analogy - an idea that I think serves merit not based on the idea that Wilson is handcuffed in many ways, but by the fact that he's slowly going to transition into mastering the full potential of the playbook. If the offense can truly be considered "sippy cupped", then it is up to Wilson himself to learn and understand it enough so that he can take the lid off himself.
That's a pretty good article... it has some insight into our "audible" system.
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100 out of 100 times an NFL coach will take 3 knees in that situation and let the clock run out. This isn't even debatable.
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Or if Reid took the points instead of gambling on 4th down. We'd have lost by 4.
Well since we're playing the if game, if graham would've come up with that TD catch early or if Hopkins finds a way to reel in that fade pass, we'd have win comfortably. If Arian didn't get hurt..

But I guess since you guys wanna be right it's easier to focus on the negative.
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Well since we're playing the if game, if graham would've come up with that TD catch early or if Hopkins finds a way to reel in that fade pass, we'd have win comfortably. If Arian didn't get hurt..

But I guess since you guys wanna be right it's easier to focus on the negative.
.. really is becoming that blatantly obvious huh?
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Perhaps; but again, Newton wasn't trying to prevent a score; he wanted to recover the fumble.
If he was succesful, the Texans would still have the ball.
If it was fourth down, I would say for sure, don't even try to touch the ball; stay away.

It's a tough call.
Look at D. Johnson; he didn't want to go down; he wanted to score.
In the Chiefs' case, it was best for them not to score so they can run out the clock.
Johnson was wanting a TD there, don't you think?
That's my point.

Johnson was trying to score when he actually should have just been looking to recover and ice the game. He was acting with insticts, but there are heady players that understand situations like that and can use discipline there.

Westbrook a few years back for the eagles had an easy walk in TD towards the end if the game. Th D was going to let him score, but he just fell down at the one.

Again, I'm not blaming anyone. Not saying anyone did anything wrong, but if I'm newton today I'm thinking that if I'd have pulled back some maybe we could have had another shot.

I haven't watched it again, so I don't know who was doing what. I'm just speaking in general and responding to your initial statement about instincts and not coaching against them. A lot of football is actually about going against your instincts.

But I get what you're saying about newton trying to recover the fimble if that's what happened.
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good scout team qb to have around. (long and short of it)

Nobody grooms those guys to take over. When one of those scenario's happen it's the exception, not the rule.
must be the exception, right vinny?
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Well since we're playing the if game, if graham would've come up with that TD catch early or if Hopkins finds a way to reel in that fade pass, we'd have win comfortably. If Arian didn't get hurt..

But I guess since you guys wanna be right it's easier to focus on the negative.
Let's talk about the, "If Matt Schaub started, we'd have lost by a whole bunch."
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Didn't see this posted:

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“Gary loves him,” said one source close to Kubiak. “He's extremely cerebral. He doesn't have that big arm but he fits their mold -- he can extend plays and get out of the way. He understands the system. That's going to be a tough environment but he shows a pulse and moves the team some, I bet he sticks with him after the (Week 8) bye.”
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good find. there is no issue with case's arm.
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Schaub-lover.


Should be the other way around, Case in the front, focused, in his uniform. Schaub hazy in the background wearing sweats.
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Schaub-lover.


Should be the other way around, Case in the front, focused, in his uniform. Schaub hazy in the background wearing sweats.
Matt feels the cold, clammy hand of death coming from behind him....
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just agree to disagree on the level of risk.....
A lot of people do that when they're wrong.
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Let's talk about the, "If Matt Schaub started, we'd have lost by a whole bunch."
Why does that statement bother you? I like Ed Reed and he's played poorly....I thought it was a good signing at the time and I still think if we had more leads it could still be a good signing.

But I'm not running around defending his honor by downplaying Shiloh keo. LoL.

I just don't get ****ting on a guy that clearly played well and gave us a great chance to win a game that a lot of people thought we'd get scorched in.

Haven't even been able to discuss actual football aspects of cases play because so many people running around with these bogus ass arguments. I'm not even ready to say case is the guy but some of this hate is ridiculous.

If I could id bet money that if case were our last years second round pick from byu not as many people would be downplaying his first start. People would be excited that we had a qb that showed that kind if promise, especially since the current/former guy has not done anything.

And it's just one game. But I'd also bet money that the anti-keenum crowd would be saying "see! I told u he sucked!" If he couldn't get it done.

You'd be in here thumping your chest talking about Schaub being the best guy for the job and how keenums poor game should end the discussion. Our best chances are with Schaub.
Look, y'all can deny it, deflect, call me names, get snarky, be offended but I know what's up. And really you guys do too. But this message board stuff is just good fun so I ain't even mad at y'all bro. Like I said I know the drill.
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Why does that statement bother you? I like Ed Reed and he's played poorly....I thought it was a good signing at the time and I still think if we had more leads it could still be a good signing.

But I'm not running around defending his honor by downplaying Shiloh keo. LoL.

I just don't get ****ting on a guy that clearly played well and gave us a great chance to win a game that a lot of people thought we'd get scorched in.
MSR. Good post.
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