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Old 01-04-2013   #101
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"We b*tch because we care"

Well b*tches b*tch so what does that make you?

Harsh? I could care less I am so tired of these fair weather fans, all of sudden 12-4 isn't good enough and its being called mediocre.
You cheese dick. Now your bitchin about me so I guess we're in the same boat aren't we?Fair weather fans dont root for the team to win in a 2-14 season. Clearly the problem here is your misinterpreting constructive criticism for some fly by night entourage. You will find a few fairweather fans here no doubt, but blink and they'll be gone...I guess you should say goodbye now if your around long enough to read this post.
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You cheese dick. Now your bitchin about me so I guess we're in the same boat aren't we?Fair weather fans dont root for the team to win in a 2-14 season. Clearly the problem here is your misinterpreting constructive criticism for some fly by night entourage. You will find a few fairweather fans here no doubt, but blink and they'll be gone...I guess you should say goodbye now if your around long enough to read this post.
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A win in New England. The Texans got to the 2nd round last year with a 3rd string qb. Anything less is a step backwards.
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I swear I am not making this up.

I woke up today from a nightmare where the Texans were in a fight for their lives for the AFC South title with the Colts (2013) and Andrew Luck went down with a game ending injury. Everyone was suitably serious and somber about it as he was carted off the field and then a previously unknown Manning ran out and led the Colts to the win. We were all trying to figure out who he was and when the Colts signed him but nobody had ever heard of him before. It wasn't the other brother. It was like he just magically appeared.

That pretty much tells me that the Colts are living in my head rent-free. Last week I woke up optimistic and the Texans crapped the bed. This week I woke up in a cold sweat sure they'd lose. Who knows, maybe they'll surprise me.
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What will it take to make you feel better about this team?
1. Get a HC that yells at people. Someone who isn't afraid to grab a 6'6" lineman by the facemask on national TV and tell him he'll be sacking groceries at Kroger next weekend if he doesn't start playing at an All-Pro level immediately!

2. Get a QB that shows some emotion. We need someone who'll throw things on the sideline and overturn the benches to show how much he wants to win. Someone who flaps his arms a lot and points at things at the LOS. Someone who'll override the OC playcalls if he feels like has a better play in mind.

3. Get an owner who's willing to break the bank for top free agents regardless of the salary cap. Other teams do it all the time because they want to win. Our owner needs to abandon his salary cap mentality and make the commitment to win. Think how good our team would be if we signed P Manning and still had Mario, Meco, Brisiel, and Winston? C'mon McCheapskate, you have to want to win, it won't come without signing the best players!
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No margin of victory against the Bengals will have me feeling any better. The Ginger Ninja is not in the Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees class.

A victory against the Patriots will be the only thing that would make me fell better about this season.
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I swear I am not making this up.

I woke up today from a nightmare where the Texans were in a fight for their lives for the AFC South title with the Colts (2013) and Andrew Luck went down with a game ending injury. Everyone was suitably serious and somber about it as he was carted off the field and then a previously unknown Manning ran out and led the Colts to the win. We were all trying to figure out who he was and when the Colts signed him but nobody had ever heard of him before. It wasn't the other brother. It was like he just magically appeared.

That pretty much tells me that the Colts are living in my head rent-free. Last week I woke up optimistic and the Texans crapped the bed. This week I woke up in a cold sweat sure they'd lose. Who knows, maybe they'll surprise me.
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1. Get a HC that yells at people. Someone who isn't afraid to grab a 6'6" lineman by the facemask on national TV and tell him he'll be sacking groceries at Kroger next weekend if he doesn't start playing at an All-Pro level immediately!

2. Get a QB that shows some emotion. We need someone who'll throw things on the sideline and overturn the benches to show how much he wants to win. Someone who flaps his arms a lot and points at things at the LOS. Someone who'll override the OC playcalls if he feels like has a better play in mind.

3. Get an owner who's willing to break the bank for top free agents regardless of the salary cap. Other teams do it all the time because they want to win. Our owner needs to abandon his salary cap mentality and make the commitment to win. Think how good our team would be if we signed P Manning and still had Mario, Meco, Brisiel, and Winston? C'mon McCheapskate, you have to want to win, it won't come without signing the best players!
The NFL has a hard cap salary structure. The Texans have been right up there every year.

That was why we had to let some of them go.

Teams that don't spend all of the cap room can roll it over toward next year.
That was the situation of the Broncos when they were able to afford Manning; however, they will have difficulty managing their cap space next year and will have to let a few players walk. (They have some players that will be high-price FAs.)
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I agreed with your post more or less. Up until that point.

Nothing wrong with criticizing, but this is just stupid.


I did say a win would be great. I liked your detailed comment on one of my other posts.

I guess I think MS(for sure) and GK (possibly) are not the ones to get the Texans to a Super Bowl win. I don't think MS can change. He has limited skills. He will always be a game manager at best. Unless the Texans are superior in many of the other phases of the game (line play, defense, etc) like last year MS will be the difference. Where do you think MS ranks in QBs left in playoffs.

GK can change because his is not a physical problem but mental but I am not sure he will change.

I guess I don't want to continue as is(in limbo) when I think there is no realistic hope to be a Super Bowl winner.

We extended MS (huge mistake) and GK before the season and the only way a change will happen under these conditions is if it is OBVIOUS OBVIOUS to all what our shortcomings are.

If you do not agree with me on MS and GK or if your goal is just to make the playoffs then I understand completely why you think my last statement in my previous post is idiotic.

No offense taken.

I hope I eat my words after the NE game.

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1. Get a HC that yells at people. Someone who isn't afraid to grab a 6'6" lineman by the facemask on national TV and tell him he'll be sacking groceries at Kroger next weekend if he doesn't start playing at an All-Pro level immediately!

2. Get a QB that shows some emotion. We need someone who'll throw things on the sideline and overturn the benches to show how much he wants to win. Someone who flaps his arms a lot and points at things at the LOS. Someone who'll override the OC playcalls if he feels like has a better play in mind.

3. Get an owner who's willing to break the bank for top free agents regardless of the salary cap. Other teams do it all the time because they want to win. Our owner needs to abandon his salary cap mentality and make the commitment to win. Think how good our team would be if we signed P Manning and still had Mario, Meco, Brisiel, and Winston? C'mon McCheapskate, you have to want to win, it won't come without signing the best players!
So essentially you want Jim Schwartz, Phillip Rivers and Jerry Jones.

Honestly, outward of emotions are the single thing fans overrate. Grown men don't need someone yelling at them (most of the time), they need someone (head coach/QB) offering solutions to how the play better. Mike singletary tried to fire up his teams with motivational techniques, but when they asked what's the best way to pick up a blitz he had nothing. Give me the guy that knows something over the screamer.

You are not paying attention if you think bob McNair is cheap. he misspends money and does not generally sign the specific guys fans want, but the texans have gotten into salary cap trouble multiple times in barely over a decade.
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A win won't do it for me. I predicted a first round win after the Pats game. While I admittedly feel worse about the team than I did even then, I have the same reasoning for demanding more than a win in order to feel good about this team. I want a win where the team comes out and establishes the running game at a good clip (4+ YPC). I want a win where the QB doesn't come out sleepwalking and wearing concrete cleats. I want a win where the defense doesn't surrender a high percentage of 3rd down conversions like they have been. I want a win where the team converts in the red zone instead of driving for FGs.

In short, I want a win that will make me believe they have a chance against the Patriots.
Well, they improved and did some of the things I mentioned. The defense played the best game we've seen in at least a month. The run game was much, much better. Unfortunately, Schaub didn't do anything to alleviate my growing doubt about him. One TD and four FGs doesn't instill a ton of confidence in me either.

So .... meh. I still don't feel better about the team. But I've used the heart vs. head analogy before, and today my heart is happy. I'll worry about my head tomorrow.
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We are a better team than the Bengals. No question about it in my mind. Are we playing better than the Bengals? Of course not, but we are a better team.

But I do agree that they are a good team. I just happen to believe that with the talent we have on both sides of the ball, we SHOULD beat them. That doesn't mean we will.
Pretty spot on (imo).

Am glad it worked out.
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nonsense
Dude.... you really need to get out more.
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1. Get a HC that yells at people. Someone who isn't afraid to grab a 6'6" lineman by the facemask on national TV and tell him he'll be sacking groceries at Kroger next weekend if he doesn't start playing at an All-Pro level immediately!
Sounds like you want Rex Ryan
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2. Get a QB that shows some emotion. We need someone who'll throw things on the sideline and overturn the benches to show how much he wants to win. Someone who flaps his arms a lot and points at things at the LOS. Someone who'll override the OC playcalls if he feels like has a better play in mind.
Sounds like you want Phillip Rivers
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3. Get an owner who's willing to break the bank for top free agents regardless of the salary cap. Other teams do it all the time because they want to win. Our owner needs to abandon his salary cap mentality and make the commitment to win. Think how good our team would be if we signed P Manning and still had Mario, Meco, Brisiel, and Winston? C'mon McCheapskate, you have to want to win, it won't come without signing the best players!
Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about. FAs, especially the big named FAs do not want to come to Houston (depending on how far we go in the play offs, that's probably going to change soon). All we've got to offer them is a world class weight room.

& I don't know what Bob's got to do to convince you, & those like you, that he isn't afraid to spend money.
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Here's what Bob needs to realize: you are not going to win championships in this league by just having the best "team" or by spending on "it." You need a HC with cancer, a pretty-boy, super-popular QB (who isn't David Carr, nice try though), a half-dozen players who were mistreated or starving as children (and the whole world knows it, or it's no good), etc. You need a referee influencer, and you will not win crap until you have one. Your best shot is just finding a QB that people want to watch, but he has to be good too. Carr sucked, Young would've sucked, but they actually would have been and were good tries, because you gotta have all the fans across the country rooting for your team after their's is already knocked out.

Who?

Heck if I know. First thought? Maybe Manziel in a few years. Maybe he isn't a good enough passer, but he would be an influencer if he can do it--and THAT is worth far more than whether he fits in Kubiak's system or not, and whether Kubiak is the best HC or not. It doesn't matter. Find your influence.
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I did say a win would be great.
True. But nothing is going to convince McNair to move on from Gary. Nothing is going to convince Kubiak to move on from Schaub. Not a but whup'n of any kind.

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I guess I think MS(for sure) and GK (possibly) are not the ones to get the Texans to a Super Bowl win.

I guess I don't want to continue as is(in limbo) when I think there is no realistic hope to be a Super Bowl winner.
I didn't "really" get excited about the Texans until they hired Kubiak, for two reasons
  1. I was relieved to see that McNair understood something had to change & did something.

    I liked the Capers hire, I didn't think Capers was the "main" problem. I think firing Capers & keeping Caserly was the wrong move. But, it was something.

    I didn't like that Capers continued to start Carr (that was his biggest problem) & I always felt that decision was above his pay-grade. Kubiak coming in being hamstrung by that same mistake was evidence of such.
  2. I've always loved the Denver offense; well, since I can remember

The Colts with Manning was also another favorite of mine, as was the Rams greatest show on turf. But the Denver offense "seemed" more repeatable & less dependent on that once in a lifetime HOF QB.
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We extended MS (huge mistake) and GK before the season and the only way a change will happen under these conditions is if it is OBVIOUS OBVIOUS to all what our shortcomings are.
Before Kubiak's first season I had no idea if he could do the job. After his first season, I knew he was in over his head; at least on gameday.

But two things impressed me.
  1. The deal with the devil to start Carr appeared to have caveats attached

    Yeah, he had to start Carr, but if not for a freak injury (kinda funny how that phrase continues to haunt us) Carr would not have finished 2006 as our starting QB. I've seen coaches go down with the ship doing what the owner wants. This case, it looked (to me anyway) that Kubiak was able to negotiate a way out. I liked that.
  2. I've never seen anyone with that much control over his locker room

    Bill Bellichick controls his locker room, but it's different. With Bellichick, iron hands them, shuts the door, & zips the lips. For Gary's first 2 or three years it was like everyone repeated word for word what Gary told them. They bought his message, they "believed" what he was telling them. Top to bottom, GM to waterboy. They said what Kubiak said & that was impressive to me.


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If you do not agree with me on MS and GK or if your goal is just to make the playoffs then I understand completely why you think my last statement in my previous post is idiotic.
It's not that I don't agree with you, it's that I don't know. I still see Kubiak growing as a head coach & I still see Schaub growing as a QB. It sucks that is the way it is. But that's the way it goes. Bellichick was not the guy we see today when he took over in New England. He lucked into Brady & Viniterri but he's grown & changed as the years have gone by. His offense is totally different than what it was back then. His defense is totally different, the way he approaches the game..... all different. I believe those changes happened because they had to. He learned, adapted, and became the HC he is now.

Brady has changed as well. He's a much better QB than he was in 2002.

Matt's a 10 year veteran & shouldn't be "learning" anymore, he is who he is. I agree. But when I say he's still "growing" I mean he's learning how to handle success & expectations. That's the only area I see that he is severely lacking. All that other stuff can be overcame if he'd just play his game & not let "prime-time" & huge expectations get to him.

I'll try an analogy;
Eddie Murphy is funny. People tell him he's funny all the time. He's been called the funniest man alive many many times, won all kinds of awards, etc, etc.... but he comes out & he's just himself, & he's still funny.... because he's funny.

Tracey Morgan isn't funny. I get the feeling that someone told him one day that he was funny & he's spent the rest of his life "trying" to be funny. So he still gets a laugh every now & then, because he's trying to be funny. But it's not natural, like it is with Richard Pryor, or Adam Sandler.

I think if Matt would quit "trying" to be a great QB & just be the best QB he can be, all that other stuff would work itself out. I've seen him play at a high level (2009, we've seen spurts in 2010 & 2011), he was great in Denver. Not good, great. So I know it's in him.


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I hope I eat my words after the NE game.
I meant no offense, but I hope you do eat your words.
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