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Old 06-15-2005   #21
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It's also difficult to cast your vote for Robinson when he's going up against the other teams #2 reciever or is lined up at the nickel. He wasn't even the best CB on the team last year even though we were ranked 24th in the league in pass defense.
I'm not following your "always goes against the #2 WR" reasoning. The opposition never lines up their top WR on the left side? They never go to the slot receiver on 3rd down?

As far as the pass defense ranking goes, don't you have to take into consideration the lack of a pass rush? For the Texans to be top 5 in interceptions while being dead last in sacks is pretty remarkable accomplishment for the secondary. I think so, anyway. And really, by the end of the season Dunta was head & shoulders the best player on the Texans defense. If you watched the games, that's undeniable.
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Robinson was playing like a top 10 CB by the end of the year, but that doesn't make him one. He has to show consistency. With only one season under his belt (and some forgettable weeks early in the season), he needs more time to show us what he's got.
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Robinson was playing like a top 10 CB by the end of the year, but that doesn't make him one. He has to show consistency.
Robinson was a rookie. He started slow, ramped up his performance as the weeks went by, and was a top flight CB by the end of the season. That doesn't indicate inconsistency, that's evidence of a learning curve. Dunta could even get better. And should get better, while many of the guys on these lists above will regress due to age and physical limitations. Dunta will be mentioned among the top 4-5 corners in the league by the end of the '05 season.
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I'm very much on the pro-Dunta side of this one (Sam Madison? Come on, the dude's been pants for at least a year or two), but if we want to talk about talent and upside as a case for liking him better than CBs more widely regarded as "elite", people like DeAngelo Hall, who missed most of last season injured but has the tools to be, if anything, a better cover corner than D-Rob (though not as good in run support or on the blitz), ought to be brought in by that logic as well.
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...but if we want to talk about talent and upside as a case for liking him better than CBs more widely regarded as "elite", people like DeAngelo Hall, who missed most of last season injured but has the tools to be, if anything, a better cover corner than D-Rob...
What "tools" does Hall have that are better than Robinson's "tools"?
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What "tools" does Hall have that are better than Robinson's "tools"?
Self-promotion.
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This is true Deion Sanders might not have the best corner in the league at times but when he did make a big play he made sure you noticed him
marketing himself he even admitted it on behind the glory.
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Mathis is good but no team in the NFL takes Mathis over Robinson if they were both in the same draft. Jag fans are like a box o' chocolates.

What they are trying to say is Mathis had worse stats than D-Rob because people were afraid to throw to his side an always went away from him.
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That's why you have to watch players play instead of just looking at stat sheets. Their argument is only good if you never watch the guys play. Football is too complex to simply point at stats to determine good players. Nobody in the league would take Mathis over Robinson...trust me on this. Let the fools spew. That's how we identify them.
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I really dont know where he ranks (though he is awesome) But lets say this.

Texans are DANG! Lucky to have him!
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