Kubiak and Schaub couldn't be any more safer... and it's absolutely disgusting

[playa465]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

People are blaming Kubiak because he's the guy who keeps Schaub out there. He's the guy in charge. He's the man who leads a chronically underperforming team out the tunnel in big games and never gets the win. Look, it is common knowledge that Gary is overly loyal to players and coaches who are underperforming. He's done it time and time again and now that the Texans are actually good enough to make some noise in this league that same propensity to keep bringing Joe Marciano back and keep believing that Matt will turn things around is coming back to bite him in his ass.

Wade's D is doing what everyone told us it would do in year two, it's taking a step back. We haven't gotten the level of play out of that side of the ball that we did last year or in the first half of this year. They're struggling too. Nobody is saying they aren't.

But this problem is big enough to encapsulate the entire team. This group comes out dead on their feet in big games. If you can't inspire your team to play well for you against equal or better opposition then you have no business leading a team. Sure AJ dropped a pass that went right through his hands. Absolutely saw Matt slinging picks that were entirely his fault. The offensive line was a joke yesterday. They're not playing smart or winning their individual battles and it's tearing everything apart around them. AJ had a crucial back-breaking drop yesterday but if you look at our WR corps you see a unit that's worse than it was last year (and that's including the addition through subtraction of kicking Jacoby to the curb). Yesterday, like it has been too many times this year we got another episode of the AJ & Walter show. Where are all these young WR's we used draft picks on? Posey had one catch and nobody else did a damned thing. Martin? Vanished. Jean? Useless. Every single year we talk about needing help at WR and every year we end up in the same boat at the end of the season. There's AJ and over there's Kevin.

Ultimately though who built this team and prepared it for competition? That's Gary and Gary is always going to be where the buck stops.

I can truly get with this post, it has substance that is not a knee jerk reaction. Maybe a consultant needs to be brought in during the season like Dan Reeves etc. to put Kubiak in check or offer advice from a football perspective. Right now I don't think anyone in our organization has the football pedigree to do that. Rick Smith isn't the one and Wade Phillips is not that person either, plus he has his hands full with the defense.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

Kubiak didn't do much to lose this game. The players did. You got that 100% right. What you're missing, however, is a pattern from Kubiak that ends up with him being put in position to lose games for this team when the players have managed to avoid crapping the bed. Sure, when the players just fall apart, it doesn't much matter what the coach does. But when the players have at least kept the team in the game, it often comes down to a play call or series of clock management decisions. How many times have you seen Kubiak just completely give up before the half? Or on a particular series? When it's 3rd and 23 and you have a lead, what does Kubiak ALWAYS do? He gives up. He doesn't call a play that has even the remotest chance of picking up the first down. Other teams TRY.

Kubiak calls a game as if he can't trust his players. And hey, the way they've played lately, he's probably right. So why the hell did he assemble this group of players this way and coach them to be the way they are now?

Anyway, I haven't bagged on Kubiak much over this game because he was mostly a non-factor. He was a non-factor because his players collapsed, therefore never putting him in a position to make a tight decision.

First Texans series yesterday ended with a FG because on the play before that (3rd and 9) Gary called a pass to AJ in the flat that went for exactly -3 yards. Drive killer right there. You need 9 yards to keep the drive alive and Gary's out there on the opening posession playing it safe for the FG.

Unless Schaub decided to check down to that and if that's the case then I'd like to know why he does it so often and why he did it on that play. It almost never goes for more than 5 -6 yards.

[Surreal McCoy]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

First Texans series yesterday ended with a FG because on the play before that (3rd and 9) Gary called a pass to AJ in the flat that went for exactly -3 yards. Drive killer right there. You need 9 yards to keep the drive alive and Gary's out there on the opening posession playing it safe for the FG.

Unless Schaub decided to check down to that and if that's the case then I'd like to know why he does it so often and why he did it on that play. It almost never goes for more than 5 -6 yards.

You mean the bubble screen that won the game v JAX and everyone and their mother (including yours) has been bleating about us not running since that game? FFS you people flip-flop more than politicians.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

First Texans series yesterday ended with a FG because on the play before that (3rd and 9) Gary called a pass to AJ in the flat that went for exactly -3 yards. Drive killer right there. You need 9 yards to keep the drive alive and Gary's out there on the opening posession playing it safe for the FG.

Unless Schaub decided to check down to that and if that's the case then I'd like to know why he does it so often and why he did it on that play. It almost never goes for more than 5 -6 yards.

You know...I didn't freak out about it at the time, but I found it kind of odd...

After the field goal Schaub is always out on the field with his tiger face giving the guys high fives....

Not that he shouldn't congratulate the team, but most QB's are on the sideline looking at the pictures trying to figure out how to get 6 instead of 3. It just looks odd to me...Like he's perfectly fine with FG's...Like he feels like it's some kind of victory...

Good QB's hate field goals. That's not a victory man. That's a ****ty consolation prize.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by Surreal McCoy

You mean the bubble screen that won the game v JAX and everyone and their mother (including yours) has been bleating about us not running since that game? FFS you people flip-flop more than politicians.

No you ****ing idiot, not the bubble screen. That isn't what he called. This was the same pass to the flat that we throw to AJ 3-4 times a game and have been throwing to him since he got here. Not the same play.

I had your monkey ass on ignore and got curious. Should have known better. You have no more to contribute now than you did then. Back to the box with you.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by Surreal McCoy

You mean the bubble screen that won the game v JAX and everyone and their mother (including yours) has been bleating about us not running since that game? FFS you people flip-flop more than politicians.

There are times to run plays and times not to. More importantly, you want to mix it up. I actually think this team should run more draw plays. *gasp* JUST DON"T RUN THEM ON 3RD AND LONG! Mix it up some! The other team watches film and notices trends. If you're sitting on your ass on Sunday and it's 3rd and long, and you know pretty well what the team is going to do, you can rest assured that the other team knows even better than you.

Kubiak gives up on 3rd and long way too often.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

Back to the box with you.

LOL! "It puts the lotion in the basket"

[FirstTexansFan]

Since 1968 I've followed professional football in Houston. It's a wonder I've survived so long, I must have a strong heart. I say we blow up that DOME and Reliant Stadium, it has to be built on an Indian burial ground and move that sucker to Katy, they seem to win the State Championship every year.... Call in a voodoo doctor, an Exorcist, and hope we find good luck, because for some danged reason we're just jinxed.

[Surreal McCoy]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

No you ****ing idiot, not the bubble screen. That isn't what he called. This was the same pass to the flat that we throw to AJ 3-4 times a game and have been throwing to him since he got here. Not the same play.

I had your monkey ass on ignore and got curious. Should have known better. You have no more to contribute now than you did then. Back to the box with you.

Oh dear, name calling? You gonna offer me out next? LOL

PS - It was the bubble screen. Just watched it again. Shame you're unable to identify even a single play. You should stick to posting on the Comical m8, it suits you better.

[Mr teX]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

Because that's what non-thinking fans do. Its the path of least-thinking resistance. It would take too much effort to actually study the game and see who missed assignments and who failed to make the plays they get PAID to make.

How is it Kubiak's fault that A.J. dropped a ball In. HIS. HANDS...??
How is it Kubiak's fault that Schaub under threw the ball to a wide open Casey who had got beyond the defense??
How is it Kubiak's - or Wade's - fault that they got beat on a 3rd & 20-something?

To do that is to let the players completely off the hook. And, to me, that's just wrong. The players didn't do their damned jobs. Plain and simple.

In years past i may have agreed with everything here...but over the last 3 weeks this team has just not responded the way that a superbowl contender should....& that falls squarely on Kubiak's shoulders.

I watch a ton of NFL shows on the NFL network and 1 of my favorite shows on their is "America's Game" where it chronicles the path of past SB champions. In nearly every one of these episodes there's always a point at which the HC changes something up based on what's going on with a particular player or the season. This usually serves as a catalyst to the team in some way...Sometimes its starting someone over another, sometimes its something as simple as a retreat of some sort to get the guys to bond better as a team as opposed to the same ol' practice routine..other times its just a few statements out to the press (Jimmy Johnson's famous "we will win the game" over the radio show).

In any event, i only talk about the above to ask you this 1 question. Do you think Kubiak is doing anything apart from what he's been doing for the last 17 weeks to get this team to refocus? ; because the product on the field suggests that he isn't. His radio shows and press conference seems to indicate this as well...blah..blah...execution.....blah..blah...get better...it's on me...just rinse and repeat to get the same results.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by Mr teX

In any event, i only talk about the above to ask you this 1 question. Do you think Kubiak is doing anything apart from what he's been doing for the last 17 weeks to get this team to refocus? ; because the product on the field suggests that he isn't. His radio shows and press conference seems to indicate this as well...blah..blah...execution.....blah..blah...get better...it's on me...just rinse and repeat to get the same results.

I don't think Kubiak has changed up anything he's done for the last decade. He is a believer and he believes in the system. He thinks that if you carry yourself like a Pro then you become one. He thinks that if a team practices the same thing, the same way, every day that it becomes an unstoppable force or some BS. Now that's a little over the top on my part but my point is that he follows the process he believes is responsible for success in this league and he follows it religiously. That doesn't change.

Your true believers never do.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by FirstTexansFan

Since 1968 I've followed professional football in Houston. It's a wonder I've survived so long, I must have a strong heart. I say we blow up that DOME and Reliant Stadium, it has to be built on an Indian burial ground and move that sucker to Katy, they seem to win the State Championship every year.... Call in a voodoo doctor, an Exorcist, and hope we find good luck, because for some danged reason we're just jinxed.

Not sure if it would help. The entire area may be contaminated by now.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

Kubiak calls a game as if he can't trust his players. And hey, the way they've played lately, he's probably right. So why the hell did he assemble this group of players this way and coach them to be the way they are now?

The word I've been using lately is pedigree. I don't think Kubiak has the pedigree on offense we need to get to that next level.

I know that. We all do. In light of that, I think Kubiak should get some credit for what he's been able to do with what he has. I've been saying for years, that Kubiak has been making lemonade with lemons. I still believe that.

The reason, is because we have not had a DC who could do the same on the defensive side of the ball. We've been putting our blue chips over there because of it. After seeing what Wade did with what he had, I was hoping we would be able to get some "pedigree" on the offensive side of the ball.

Losing Mario killed that. However, if Wade thought Barwin & Reed were good enough to keep the rookie on the bench for most of the year, then I think we were wrong not to take a WR early. Either that, or Wade didn't like what he got in his new toy & we screwed that pick.

At the same time, I think Kubiak should have done a better job of getting the kiddie receivers acclimated to the game. We need them to step up now, but they're just getting their legs under them.

If those kids don't displace Kevin Walter in the play-offs (I still think we'll have more than one game) & we don't get a WR & a tackle/guard in the next draft, I'll be upset.

We still have problems on defense, I'm not saying any different, but it's time for Wade to make some lemonade.

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by Porky

When I die, I want the Texans to be my pall bearers so they can let me down one last time.

Spoken like a true Houston fan. + rep

[Porky]

Originally Posted by Mr teX

In years past i may have agreed with everything here...but over the last 3 weeks this team has just not responded the way that a superbowl contender should....& that falls squarely on Kubiak's shoulders.

I watch a ton of NFL shows on the NFL network and 1 of my favorite shows on their is "America's Game" where it chronicles the path of past SB champions. In nearly every one of these episodes there's always a point at which the HC changes something up based on what's going on with a particular player or the season. This usually serves as a catalyst to the team in some way...Sometimes its starting someone over another, sometimes its something as simple as a retreat of some sort to get the guys to bond better as a team as opposed to the same ol' practice routine..other times its just a few statements out to the press (Jimmy Johnson's famous "we will win the game" over the radio show).

In any event, i only talk about the above to ask you this 1 question. Do you think Kubiak is doing anything apart from what he's been doing for the last 17 weeks to get this team to refocus? ; because the product on the field suggests that he isn't. His radio shows and press conference seems to indicate this as well...blah..blah...execution.....blah..blah...get better...it's on me...just rinse and repeat to get the same results.

I have to agree with the above. I was watching the game with a friend, and when the Texans got the ball on their 1st possession, I yelled out "go hurry up". He nodded his head in agreement. When we came out in the 2nd half, I mentioned I might be inclined to start TJ in the 2nd half, even if only for a possession or two, and if not, then go hurry up...or come out firing or whatever. Something different. Give the Colts something they aren't ready for.

The point being, come out and do something unexpected. Shake something up. Not saying the hurry up or TJ Yates is the potion to fix every ailment of the offense, but all I know if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

And look at what the Colts did on 3rd and forever with a rookie QB. Did they run a freaking screen to the RB to try and get better field position? Hell no, they went for broke.

And it's completely unnerving that the Colts not only trust their rookie more than the Texans do their 10 yr vet, but the Rookie plays with more smarts and moxie than our vet does. When we had guys running off the field, what did Luck do? Snapped the damn ball, and got an instant 5 yards. That's playing with smarts and veteran leadership. Have you EVER seen Schaub do that? NO! It's Something Schaub seems incapable of doing.

And if Kubiak doesn't trust Schaub to make a play, then it's on him to find someone he does trust instead of re-upping him for 4 years.

Sorry Kube lovers. At the end of the day all roads lead to the same conclusion. Kubes is in over his head, and it's been the same since day freaking one and nothing has changed except I have fewer hairs on my head.

And BTW as a footnote. I was watching inside the game on channel 13 last night, and I personally didn't really care for Kubes answer when Bob Allen asked him what he had to say to the fans.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

The word I've been using lately is pedigree. I don't think Kubiak has the pedigree on offense we need to get to that next level.

I know that. We all do. In light of that, I think Kubiak should get some credit for what he's been able to do with what he has. I've been saying for years, that Kubiak has been making lemonade with lemons. I still believe that.

I get what you're saying, but we have 2 probowl OL, a great WR, a pro bowl RB and a pr bowl QB that he hand picked. Hell, he hand picked KW to be his starting WR. KW doesn't suck. OD is a pro bowler top tier TE. Hell Garrett Grahm doesn't suck.

These players may have come to the team via low draft picks or off the scrap heap, but they are no longer lemons once they prove what they're capable of.

What is the difference between Foster and a first round RB? The price you initially paid to get them?

Vonta Leach was a pro bowl FB that we had. Casey has skills that don't get used. Ben Tate is a good second RB....That doesn't get used.

Lets not act like Kubiak is working with a bunch of scrubs or "lemons" over there. Regardless of where they cam from or how they got here, they are good players.

Do we need three pro bowlers on the OL? Another Pro bowl stud WR? Another pro bowl TE?

Man this crap is just a bunch of excuses.

What is so hard about saying they underachieved? They're doing a bad job?

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by Surreal McCoy

You mean the bubble screen that won the game v JAX and everyone and their mother (including yours) has been bleating about us not running since that game? FFS you people flip-flop more than politicians.

Dude we have run that same play like 4 or 5 times a game since then. Haven't seen noome complain about lack of running it. Hell we ran it 3 times to AJ and once to OD yesterday.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

The word I've been using lately is pedigree. I don't think Kubiak has the pedigree on offense we need to get to that next level.

I know that. We all do. In light of that, I think Kubiak should get some credit for what he's been able to do with what he has. I've been saying for years, that Kubiak has been making lemonade with lemons. I still believe that.

The reason, is because we have not had a DC who could do the same on the defensive side of the ball. We've been putting our blue chips over there because of it. After seeing what Wade did with what he had, I was hoping we would be able to get some "pedigree" on the offensive side of the ball.

Losing Mario killed that. However, if Wade thought Barwin & Reed were good enough to keep the rookie on the bench for most of the year, then I think we were wrong not to take a WR early. Either that, or Wade didn't like what he got in his new toy & we screwed that pick.

At the same time, I think Kubiak should have done a better job of getting the kiddie receivers acclimated to the game. We need them to step up now, but they're just getting their legs under them.

If those kids don't displace Kevin Walter in the play-offs (I still think we'll have more than one game) & we don't get a WR & a tackle/guard in the next draft, I'll be upset.

We still have problems on defense, I'm not saying any different, but it's time for Wade to make some lemonade.

Gary's the guy who insists on bringing home all the lemons though. For years he was the guy who put that DC in place who had no clue. That's supposed to be forgivable because he gave him high draft picks to compensate for his lack of knowing how to be a DC? No, I'm sorry. To me this is the worst example of head coaching I can imagine. "Here, learn how to do this and while you're at it waste all of our best assets."?

Now he has to use early picks to salvage his bargain-basement offense.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

There are times to run plays and times not to.

I didn't have a problem with calling that play there. Just earlier, the Colts ran the same play to the other side & picked up a long third down. The biggest difference, is their players blocked it better than ours did.

KDub & Andre were split pretty far out. There was a receiver playing close to the line on Walter. At the snap, Walter ran right past that guy to block the guy lined up 10 yards deep over Andre, allowing the guy lined up on him free access to Andre.

Newton was coming to block for Andre, but he had to chip the DE. I don't know if it was the way it was drawn up, to get Matt some time, or if he just couldn't avoid the DE. But even if he didn't, there's no way he was going to get that far out to block the guy who was only 3 yards away from Andre.

Walter should have blocked the guy lined up over him, giving Newton time to block the deep guy over Andre. After Andre caught the ball, he should have ran a few steps towards Newton to help him reach his block. At the very least, they never should have been split that wide.


I'll say it again. The Colts ran the exact same play perfectly in the same situation.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by Porky

I have to agree with the above. I was watching the game with a friend, and when the Texans got the ball on their 1st possession, I yelled out "go hurry up". He nodded his head in agreement. When we came out in the 2nd half, I mentioned I might be inclined to start TJ in the 2nd half, even if only for a possession or two, and if not, then go hurry up...or come out firing or whatever. Something different. Give the Colts something they aren't ready for.

The point being, come out and do something unexpected. Shake something up. Not saying the hurry up or TJ Yates is the potion to fix every ailment of the offense, but all I know if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

And look at what the Colts did on 3rd and forever with a rookie QB. Did they run a freaking screen to the RB to try and get better field position? Hell no, they went for broke.

And it's completely unnerving that the Colts not only trust their rookie more than the Texans do their 10 yr vet, but the Rookie plays with more smarts and moxie than our vet does. When we had guys running off the field, what did Luck do? Snapped the damn ball, and got an instant 5 yards. That's playing with smarts and veteran leadership. Have you EVER seen Schaub do that? NO! It's Something Schaub seems incapable of doing.

And if Kubiak doesn't trust Schaub to make a play, then it's on him to find someone he does trust instead of re-upping him for 4 years.

Sorry Kube lovers. At the end of the day all roads lead to the same conclusion. Kubes is in over his head, and it's been the same since day freaking one and nothing has changed except I have fewer hairs on my head.

And BTW as a footnote. I was watching inside the game on channel 13 last night, and I personally didn't really care for Kubes answer when Bob Allen asked him what he had to say to the fans.

What did he have to say to the fans ?