Philip Rivers anyone?

[TexansBull]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I'd take Rivers over Schaub.



However, that isn't and wouldn't be the kind of move that would make any big difference. The best years of Rivers are in the past. He was pretty damn good a few years ago, and all but every time I watched him his passes looked horrible which doesn't matter as long as they get there, but his play has dropped off quite a bit. I'd take Rivers over Schaub, but not by a long shot. We wouldn't be getting the Rivers from a few years ago. We'd be getting this version of Rivers that is on the decline most likely.





This is another typical thread where Schaub bashers have no real plan. There is no point at replacing Schaub unless you get a real replacement that can be our guy for a very long time. Rivers would most likely just be a stop gap QB that would prolong the process much further when he disappoints people after a season or so.



And did the OP really mention Mike Vick???





If the Texans are going to get a new QB, the best thing to happen would probably be to have a horrible season or two to find a top dog. Getting all these retread guys and other prospects with average to good potential is not a plan I'd want to go down.

my apologies to the above poster. Drunk posting gets you everytime.

[Mr teX]

[quote=powda;2094209]

Originally Posted by Mr teX

Wow. Funny how guys you mentioned like plummer,grossman, and greise all lead their teams to playoff victories despite being such miserable qbs (they were all 2nd tier/ 3rd tier talents to.) Schaub has yet to do that, so dont crown him. If you wanna talk about measurables and why people are ape**** for them go watch schaub on a deep pass or a bootleg...and it might make more sense to you.

Philip Rivers is anything but a journey man. For any doubters out there, take 30 seconds to look up his stats or watch a handfull of games before making such asinine comments.

Yeah, b/c shanahan clearly thought highly enough of grossman didn't he when he moved heaven and earth to move up and get RG3.....and then select cousins a few rounds later right?

I mean after all, grossman's got the rocket arm...he's mobile...and he's got playoff victories too right? I guess by your asinine criterion we should be going after a guy like mark sanchez then huh?

Lol, i've seen more than enough of Rivers to know that he's no more the answer to take this team to the next level than Schaub is...hell, the very team rivers plays for right now was at this nearly identical fork in the road back when he was drafted....the prototype rocket arm qb vs..the guy who wasn't quite as tall as u would like...not quite as strong an arm as you'd like but pretty solid and a guy that was going to be coming off injury vs. the young healthy guy.....well we see how that turned out. 1 guy went on to carve out a HOF bust, the other...well, he's still got a pretty strong arm lol!

The sad thing about the above is that teams go thru this all the time in the league and it almost never works out for them...get rid of the solid guy for the physical prototype or guy with the high ceiling b/c they feel like its the thing thats holding them back see brian billick and trent dilfer/kyle boller....jeff fisher and VY/steve mcnair. And countless other teams over the years that were sent into qb purgatory as LZ coins it...ironically, that move is the thing that either gets them fired or sets their franchise back a few years. like i said, its extremely tough to go from good to great in this league at qb....and you definitely dont do it by picking up guys that have a penchant for the turnover...

[TEXANRED]

Hell no. Why would I trade one worthless QB in for another worthless QB?

[powda]

Originally Posted by Mr teX

Yeah, b/c shanahan clearly thought highly enough of grossman didn't he when he moved heaven and earth to move up and get RG3.....and then select cousins a few rounds later right?

I mean after all, grossman's got the rocket arm...he's mobile...and he's got playoff victories too right? I guess by your asinine criterion we should be going after a guy like mark sanchez then huh?

Lol, i've seen more than enough of Rivers to know that he's no more the answer to take this team to the next level than Schaub is...hell, the very team rivers plays for right now was at this nearly identical fork in the road back when he was drafted....the prototype rocket arm qb vs..the guy who wasn't quite as tall as u would like...not quite as strong an arm as you'd like but pretty solid and a guy that was going to be coming off injury vs. the young healthy guy.....well we see how that turned out. 1 guy went on to carve out a HOF bust, the other...well, he's still got a pretty strong arm lol!

The sad thing about the above is that teams go thru this all the time in the league and it almost never works out for them...get rid of the solid guy for the physical prototype or guy with the high ceiling b/c they feel like its the thing thats holding them back see brian billick and trent dilfer/kyle boller....jeff fisher and VY/steve mcnair. And countless other teams over the years that were sent into qb purgatory as LZ coins it...ironically, that move is the thing that either gets them fired or sets their franchise back a few years. like i said, its extremely tough to go from good to great in this league at qb....and you definitely dont do it by picking up guys that have a penchant for the turnover...

So your arguing schaub is the next brees. Ok.

Any qb with a better arm or better mobility cant be as cerebral as schaub. Ok.

We cant have schaub and a younger mobile qb with a better arm at the same time. Ok.

We should settle for an average to below average qb because all coaches who try to improve their qb position get fired. Ok.

Coaches with average to below average qb's dont get fired all the time. Ok.

Lot of really great thoughts from your post.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by Mr teX

Its not that we hate the guy...its just many of recognize that all of this talk about these other qbs we could bring in to be better than schaub all have warts and are lateral moves at best......unless they're elite talents...talents that can overcome all of our issues....we're likely to be in the same situation just addressing a different issue we have with our qb......like other fans on these teams these qbs currently play for.

Just because you say it's a lateral move doesn't mean it is. Every system you can put a guy in can emphasize strengths or hide shortcomings. Different systems can work better with different warts so to speak. Schaub's lack of mobility is something that Rivers does not suffer from to anywhere near the same degree. Schaub's questionable arm isn't an issue for Rivers. Until you put a guy in a system you don't know if that's going to be a better fit for him or not. Changing the scenery helps careers every year. It's stupid to just write off the chance that it could happen here and it's sad to think that we're so locked into the handful of things one guy does well that almost no one is willing to entertain the idea of a change to try and better the situation.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

Just because you say it's a lateral move doesn't mean it is. Every system you can put a guy in can emphasize strengths or hide shortcomings. Schaub's lack of mobility is something that Rivers does not suffer from to anywhere near the same degree. Schaub's questionable arm isn't an issue for Rivers. Until you put a guy in a system you don't know if that's going to be a better fit for him or not. Changing the scenery helps careers every year. It's stupid to just write off the chance that it could happen here and it's sad to think that we're so locked into the handful of things one guy does well that almost no one is willing to entertain the idea of a change to try and better the situation.

Not disagreeing with your change of scenery point but I will say Rivers' increased mobility is something of a mirage as he has been noted to have horrible decision making when flushed. For example he threw one of the most bone-headed pick sixes ever earlier this season - just threw it straight at a DB with no receiver anywhere around instead of just throwing the ball out of bounds.

[Hervoyel]

I hear you. He's got warts too. Surely the same man who coached Matt Schaub into the guy who throws the ball away as soon as he can read the numbers on the pass rushers chest can help Rivers with this problem. I mean, he's Mr. Brilliant Coaching Guru right? Is a knock on Rivers that he's uncoachable?

Doesn't even matter. Never happening anyway. Done with this thread.

[klockWork]

You guys arguments of QB like Rivers or Romo on our team will be bad because they will drag their flaws into play. If that is true then why even bother hiring coaches? What are the jobs of coaches? Why even bother implementing any kind of system when players will never change who they are.
If Matt Cassell never played for Bellichick in NE and all he has to show for his career is his atrocious numbers in KC then it's easy for anyone to write this guy off for being total garbage.

Any QB playing under Kubiak or Bellichick will not be the same QB as they were before. Whether Rivers becomes an all pro QB under this system is not at all ridiculous. Maybe he will in an extra year or two. Alex Smith, a once hopeless soul in the nfl, won a playoff game and almost lead his team to the SB the first year Harbaugh arrived and was having an all-pro qb rating numbers before his concussion in his second year.

Yeah, maybe having Rivers on this team, with his wild west mentality could sink this team rock bottom. Or maybe he's become that QB that really gets and understand this system and takes it to another level that Schaub could never do.

Either way it's a win win situation. Rivers exposes Kubiak weak coaching ability and gets him fire early or BANG. We got something here.

We need a wildcard like Rivers to run this offense. Schaub has hit his limits and is sinking fast.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by TexansBull

my apologies to the above poster. Drunk posting gets you everytime.

Great, you really showed that you're capable of a rebuttal.

Have no idea if you just hate Schaub with such a senseless response like that. But to mention Vick after his 2nd horrible season in Philly where the entire offense fell apart under his watch with all that talent he has had to work with is really really funny. Vick is being flushed out of Philly, Rivers is an unwanted man in SD, but I'd probably rather have him over Schaub, but that isn't saying much at this point. You don't settle when you replace your QB. You go after a real franchise player. Rivers will most likely just be an average QB at this point.

[Mr teX]

Originally Posted by powda

So your arguing schaub is the next brees. Ok.

Any qb with a better arm or better mobility cant be as cerebral as schaub. Ok.

We cant have schaub and a younger mobile qb with a better arm at the same time. Ok.

We should settle for an average to below average qb because all coaches who try to improve their qb position get fired. Ok.

Coaches with average to below average qb's dont get fired all the time. Ok.

Lot of really great thoughts from your post.

Wow.......this post...the reading comprehension.... just failure all over it...

I tell you what, when you get tired of him tossing picks & forcing balls into double coverage with that rocket arm of his & getting sacked b/c he's holding the ball too long and can't escape the pocket...come join me in finding a young talent that can be elite....

[Mr teX]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

Just because you say it's a lateral move doesn't mean it is. Every system you can put a guy in can emphasize strengths or hide shortcomings. Different systems can work better with different warts so to speak. Schaub's lack of mobility is something that Rivers does not suffer from to anywhere near the same degree. Schaub's questionable arm isn't an issue for Rivers. Until you put a guy in a system you don't know if that's going to be a better fit for him or not. Changing the scenery helps careers every year. It's stupid to just write off the chance that it could happen here and it's sad to think that we're so locked into the handful of things one guy does well that almost no one is willing to entertain the idea of a change to try and better the situation.

& just b/c you say it won't be a lateral move doesn't mean it won't be either..i get all that. I simply stated why i feel it would & you and a few others disagreed.

But how many times have you heard teams players, coaches and other ESPN talking heads say that "they must win the turnover battle" or how they can look at who won the TO battle & tell who won the game or "he must take care of the ball to give his team a chance to win". In case you haven't put it together, TO's are kind of a big deal in this league. So bringing in a guy that's already prone to committing them as demonstrated over his 9 year career obviously isn't something that lends itself to taking us to the next level......imo of course. From a qb's perspective, turning over the ball isn't just a wart....that's a freaking goiter. & guess what? After 9 years in the league and NFL defenses having a book on him, Rivers' leopard spots are not likely going to change...


As far as the bolded, believe me i want to better the situation...i just really want to better the situation...like no question that we're better. Not trade 1 fatal flaw for another fatal flaw & i think that is the position of 90% of people who don't think much of this suggestion about Rivers. The other 10% probably just don't trust Kubiak to be able to coach him up....which with the way this board is towards him, or recent offensive swoon, can you blame them?

If we were to seriously entertain sitting/trading schaub, i'd honestly be more ok with seeing what we have with Yates rather than going out and picking up someone that has pretty much already established who they are going to be.

but hey, we can just agree to disagree

[Uncle Rico]

if his knee wasnt all jacked up i'd be all over such a move, but he cant move around much better than schaub back there, even though his arm strenght far surpasses Schaub, his intermediate accuracy and decision making are suspect. lets not forget he did have the luxury of having LT back there for a long time, and the dude really opened things up in all aspects for that offense. we have that LT on this team and Schaub still cant capitolize.

[powda]

The name of this thread is "philip rivers anyone." I'm not holding onto rivers as the only possible savior for this team just as my first post says (reading comprehension?) I think Rivers would do good here, but he's not the only option. I never suggested we shouldn't find a young qb, in fact it would be far more cap friendly.

Originally Posted by Mr teX

come join me in finding a young talent that can elite....

Whoaaaa there tiger. Theres a line and I was here first.

[Ben Frank]

I would take Rivers over Schuab! Sign me up

[Norg]

sure why not but no way in hell SD lets him go that would be reallllyyyy stupid