Safety

[steelbtexan]

Yep,

It's a passing league, so you better have pass rushers 2-3 atleast.

3-4 CB's, atleast 3 S that are interchangable and 1-2 LB's that can both rush and are atleast in coverage.

How many of these holes are currently filled on the Texans defense? And that's not even taking into acct the current state of the Texans offense. Keeping the defense off the field is the best defense. This is why I hope the Texans quit neglecting the offense and put the pieces in place for them to be successful.

Watching Julio Jones light it up today only confirms my thought process. Looks like the Falcons are going to the SB and 2 yrs ago the Falcons were supposedly mortgaging their future trading 2 first rd picks and 5 total picks for Jones. 6-120-2TD's in the 1st half is making Dimitroffs risk taking look like a genius move. Wish BoB/Rick/Gary and Wade would take chances like this. (Not going to happen)

[thunderkyss]

If Bradie James comes back, then Wade's just as bad as Kubiak & Walter.

[Rey]

Bradie James can kick rocks, but I don't think it's the end if the world if he's brought back as depth and has to earn a roster spot.

Similar for Walter...have no issue with him on the team as a niche player. Walter should mainly be used in the slot or as a flanker or wing used to block and make short possession type catches.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by Rey

Bradie James can kick rocks, but I don't think it's the end if the world if he's brought back as depth and has to earn a roster spot.

Similar for Walter...have no issue with him on the team as a niche player. Walter should mainly be used in the slot or as a flanker or wing used to block and make short possession type catches.

Just long as they accept a pay cut, Texans cannot continue to overpay mediocrity.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by beerlover

Just long as they accept a pay cut, Texans cannot continue to overpay mediocrity.

Of course.

If not just get rid of them.

[76Texan]

Add another name to the list, Jonathan Cyprien from little known Florida Intl'.

There are 3 games out there on youtube: Louisville, W. Kent, and FAU.

He showed well during the Senior Bowl week and is currently rated by CBS Sports to be a mid round prospect.

I have a couple more games I think I will try to watch.

Look to have good range and flex hips; I think he has potential.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by Rey

Bradie James can kick rocks, but I don't think it's the end if the world if he's brought back as depth and has to earn a roster spot.

Similar for Walter...have no issue with him on the team as a niche player. Walter should mainly be used in the slot or as a flanker or wing used to block and make short possession type catches.

James was paid the vet minimum last season ..... $825k.

[WolverineFan]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Add another name to the list, Jonathan Cyprien from little known Florida Intl'.

There are 3 games out there on youtube: Louisville, W. Kent, and FAU.

He showed well during the Senior Bowl week and is currently rated by CBS Sports to be a mid round prospect.

I have a couple more games I think I will try to watch.

Look to have good range and flex hips; I think he has potential.

Cyprien is flying up draft boards. Probably a late 2nd-early 3rd prospect at this point.

[RT22]

A safety that I really like as a fit for the Texans is Duke Williams Nevada 6'-0" 200. Look him up and let me know your thoughts?

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by RT22

A safety that I really like as a fit for the Texans is Duke Williams Nevada 6'-0" 200. Look him up and let me know your thoughts?

Yep he can cover the TE or slot and is fearless against the run. Everybody is talking Cyprien up (Rightfully so) but Williams was the best S on the field during the Sr.Bowl. He'exactly what the Texans need to replace Demps/Keo.

[Wolf6151]

Some folks on here have talked about finding a tall Safety with speed to cover the tall athletic TE's in the league. What would yall think of Tharold Simon-CB from LSU, and move him to Safety? He's listed as 6'02 and 193 lbs. with 4.54 projected speed. I don't know much about him but from the film I've seen he's fairly good at coverage with good athleticism. Also we need a Safety with coverage skills, not a old school thumper.

[powda]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

Also we need a Safety with coverage skills, not a old school thumper.

Thats my thought as well...i want a guy who covers a lot of territory and has a knack for int's. I wonder if thats the consensus? Sounds like lots of folks have a pollard type in mind.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by powda

Thats my thought as well...i want a guy who covers a lot of territory and has a knack for int's. I wonder if thats the consensus? Sounds like lots of folks have a pollard type in mind.

Most of the guys we discuss here have better coverage skill than Pollard; quite a few of them might be even better (in time or soon enough) than Quin on the bigger TEs and some of them are ball hawks with good range (speed).

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

Some folks on here have talked about finding a tall Safety with speed to cover the tall athletic TE's in the league. What would yall think of Tharold Simon-CB from LSU, and move him to Safety? He's listed as 6'02 and 193 lbs. with 4.54 projected speed. I don't know much about him but from the film I've seen he's fairly good at coverage with good athleticism. Also we need a Safety with coverage skills, not a old school thumper.

If you're looking for that type of S the two that I really like are Tony jefferson in rd 3 or Duke Williams in Rd 4-5. Viccaro is the best and will probably be a top 20 pick.

[powda]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Most of the guys we discuss here have better coverage skill than Pollard; quite a few of them might be even better (in time or soon enough) than Quin on the bigger TEs and some of them are ball hawks with good range (speed).

I guess the real question is in a 3 safety set do you want quinn or manning on the wideout/tightend and the drafted guy closer to the box? Are we trying to fix coverage issues or run support/te coverage. As i said, i think quin does "ok" even against bigger te's. I want a centerfielder who safely gives us more opportunities to blitz. Your right about pollard. He's a good run defender and enforcer but most safetys are better in coverage. Bad example.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by powda

I guess the real question is in a 3 safety set do you want quinn or manning on the wideout/tightend and the drafted guy closer to the box? Are we trying to fix coverage issues or run support/te coverage. As i said, i think quin does "ok" even against bigger te's. I want a centerfielder who safely gives us more opportunities to blitz. Your right about pollard. He's a good run defender and enforcer but most safetys are better in coverage. Bad example.

Quin still didn't do very well against the TEs; he did OK.

We can go several ways in the draft:

- Get a ball hawk (higher pick) and let Quin (if he's resigned) remains where he is.

- Move Quin back permanently to deep safety and draft a big safety with coverage skill on TEs.

- Get an ILB with coverage skill so we don't have to go to dime much (only against no back set.)

In nickel, this ILB and Cushing will take on the TE & RB, Harris or McCain (if he's resigned) will take on the slot, and Quin/Manning will play 2 deep safeties.
If one of the ILBs go down on a zone dog, one of the OLBs would drop back to take over coverage duty.
If we go with a 5-man blitz, either Quin or Manning will take the TE.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by powda

I guess the real question is in a 3 safety set do you want quinn or manning on the wideout/tightend and the drafted guy closer to the box? Are we trying to fix coverage issues or run support/te coverage. As i said, i think quin does "ok" even against bigger te's. I want a centerfielder who safely gives us more opportunities to blitz. Your right about pollard. He's a good run defender and enforcer but most safetys are better in coverage. Bad example.

I'm with you. Gover Quin was excellent in pass coverage on TEs this year. Gronk is going to get his, Hernandez is going to get his, especially when the refs allow you to get run over. I don't think anyone did as well against the big, fast TEs as Quin did & I don't know if it's possible (these TEs are still relatively new).

What we need is a safety who can make plays on the ball. Either get another good man coverage safeties & allow Manning to stay back, or get a true ball hawking safety to play center field & let Manning play up.

I like what Quin & Manning are doing close to the LOS. Manning I think is better on the blitzes & run, Quin better in coverage & more physical with them big TEs.

So I lean more to a true ball-hawking safety. But if we get an in-the-box guy, that will allow us to let Manning roam on the back end.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

- Get an ILB with coverage skill so we don't have to go to dime much (only against no back set.)

I think this is where the game is evolving. Glover Quin was a corner who played well against the run. Even before the move to safety, he kicked inside & we put McCain outside. Quin played like a LB with coverage skills, but he's too small to be considered a LB, which makes him a safety.

Now we've got that guy you were asking about last week on the practice squad. A safety who got too big, so he was moved to ILB. If he can cover like a corner (most safeties can't) then he may be what we're looking for.

Tony Gonzales, Antonio Gates, Jason Whitten, Dallas Clark, Owen Daniels, Vernon Davis, Jimmy Graham, Gronkosky, Jermaine Gresham, Jermichael Finley, Matellus Bennett......... These big WRs are becoming more & more the norm.

[Wolf]

Nfl.com mocks LSU Reid to us in first

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-d...iters_jeremiah

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Wolf

Nfl.com mocks LSU Reid to us in first

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-d...iters_jeremiah

That's the one pick, so far, that sounds like something the Texans would do. Outside the box, as most of us haven't identified safety as such a high need, but it makes sense. Sense in so much as we could definitely use some help on the back end.

Not a consistently powerful tackler, and will lunge and miss in the open field as he often fails to break down quickly.

But this doesn't sound like a Texans' DB. At least pre Wade.

If he can make the plays on the back end, like he did at LSU, I'd be happy