what happened to our offense?

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by amazing80

LOL at blaming the coaches for today, Im all for bashing Gary when given the chance, but hes not the one being captain checkdown on 3rd downs.....or Mr fetal position and cower every time a defender is within 3 yards of him

The players failed to do anything today and it started with the qb

No, it started with the Oline. What are you blind? You didn't see the Oline caving on almost every passing down?? Any non mobile QB is going to have a rough day when there is no blocking. That was always the case with Kurt Warner and it's always been the case with Manning and Brady when their O lines fall apart. To absolve the O line of any blame is being selective to your own interests.

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

No, it started with the Oline. What are you blind? You didn't see the Oline caving on almost every passing down?? Any non mobile QB is going to have a rough day when there is no blocking. That was always the case with Kurt Warner and it's always been the case with Manning and Brady when their O lines fall apart. To absolve the O line of any blame is being selective to your own interests.

There were times our oline caved, you are correct, then there were times Matt caved for no reason and bailed out of the pocket drifting back or sideways, hard to protect a qb when he bails the pocket prematurely

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by amazing80

There were times our oline caved, you are correct, then there were times Matt caved for no reason and bailed out of the pocket drifting back or sideways, hard to protect a qb when he bails the pocket prematurely

You can't expect a guy like Schaub to have a big day when his Oline has a horrible day. It just isn't going to happen. That's who Schaub is. That's who Kurt Warner was. When his Oline stunk so did he. They are pocket passers and they are only going to be as good as their protection is. The problem with you guys who analyze Schaub is that you have zero understanding for who he is and what to expect out of him. YOu guys say he is average which is he isn't, but you expect him to be elite. It's a contradiction. If he is average to you then STOP ASKING HIM TO BE ELITE. Blame the rest of the team and the HC for not playing up to par. If the QB is so average, then the rest of the team needs to make up for it and play hard on their end. Schaub isn't going anywhere, so the rest of the team will need to do what they have to do in order to make things easier for the QB like they have for most of the season. But to always put the blame on Schaub when things don't go well across the board is telling me that you don't understand the different functions on what makes a team play well consistently. You can't expect a non mobile QB to throw all over the field when he only has one good receiver and his O line isn't blocking for him. It's not possible.

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

You can't expect a guy like Schaub to have a big day when his Oline has a horrible day. It just isn't going to happen. That's who Schaub is. That's who Kurt Warner was. When his Oline stunk so did he. They are pocket passers and they are only going to be as good as their protection is. The problem with you guys who analyze Schaub is that you have zero understanding for who he is and what to expect out of him. YOu guys say he is average which is he isn't, but you expect him to be elite. It's a contradiction. If he is average to you then STOP ASKING HIM TO BE ELITE. Blame the rest of the team and the HC for not playing up to par. If the QB is so average, then the rest of the team needs to make up for it and play hard on their end. Schaub isn't going anywhere, so the rest of the team will need to do what they have to do in order to make things easier for the QB like they have for most of the season. But to always put the blame on Schaub when things don't go well across the board is telling me that you don't understand the different functions on what makes a team play well consistently. You can't expect a non mobile QB to throw all over the field when he only has one good receiver and his O line isn't blocking for him. It's not possible.

Only one good reciever? He has a top 5 TE, a top 3 RB out of the back field, a VERY reliable number 2 and ditto for the fb in casey, its not our fault Schaub forces it to 80 every other throw. You just made the freaking point, Schaub manages the team, the TEAM needs to carry us to victory because he won't/can't. The TEAM needs to bring their A game in order to HIDE his deficiencies

[AMartin56]

I have to chuckle a bit at the use of the phrase 'A game' in a discussion about the Texans. Any sort of 'A game' out of this team would be ancient history. Blaming ONE player is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. We've been taking on water since the Ravens game... SOS.

[AMartin56]

Although I will say that if I have to blame one player it would be Watt.

It's well past time for him to take a Ryan/Gilbride-ish swing at one of his offensive teammates...maybe that would finally motivate them to man up.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by amazing80

Only one good reciever? He has a top 5 TE, a top 3 RB out of the back field, a VERY reliable number 2 and ditto for the fb in casey, its not our fault Schaub forces it to 80 every other throw. You just made the freaking point, Schaub manages the team, the TEAM needs to carry us to victory because he won't/can't. The TEAM needs to bring their A game in order to HIDE his deficiencies

I never stated that Schaub could take this team on his back. I've said that for years probably while you were riding his jock I'll assume by this knee jerk stuff. Schaub has never been that kind of guy which I'm okay with. He can be at times though and he totally carried this team on his back against the Lions and the Jags which wasn't long ago. But of course you have selectively erased that out of your memory bank because it doesn't fit in your "Schaub sucks" thoughts for the week. It's why I stated earlier that you expect things out of players that they aren't capable of being. And because they aren't capable of being that way, you bash them, but have no idea on how to find a guy that can be what you want. It's not a realistic understanding of what the Texans can actually do as a franchise.

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I never stated that Schaub could take this team on his back. I've said that for years probably while you were riding his jock I'll assume by this knee jerk stuff. Schaub has never been that kind of guy which I'm okay with. He can be at times though and he totally carried this team on his back against the Lions and the Jags which wasn't long ago. But of course you have selectively erased that out of your memory bank because it doesn't fit in your "Schaub sucks" thoughts for the week. It's why I stated earlier that you expect things out of players that they aren't capable of being. And because they aren't capable of being that way, you bash them, but have no idea on how to find a guy that can be what you want. It's not a realistic understanding of what the Texans can actually do as a franchise.

Your big defense and example of carrying this team includes the Lions and Jags secondaries, no rebuttal necessary, the defense rests its case.

[NitroGSXR]

Originally Posted by Vinny

a slow, plodding offense that has a QB with limitations and a bunch of midfield targets but no deep threats. A line built to zone block and quick set blocking but not good for 7-step dropback passing. No real WR threat beside AJ and he is not the deep burner he used to be so you are left with a slow, plodding offense that throws in the towel with 4 mins left to play.

I'm not saying you said one thing or another. Just responding to the throwing the towel portion.

I will say with absolute certainty that Kubiak threw in the towel before anyone else. I saw Kubiak tell TJ to run in and Schaub flat out refused to come off until the next play. Then Kubiak PUSHED TJ OUT ONTO THE FIELD. Essentially, Schaub tried to leader up but Kubiak wouldn't let him. I didn't like seeing that too much.

[cuppacoffee]

Originally Posted by Vinny

a slow, plodding offense that has a QB with limitations and a bunch of midfield targets but no deep threats. A line built to zone block and quick set blocking but not good for 7-step dropback passing. No real WR threat beside AJ and he is not the deep burner he used to be so you are left with a slow, plodding offense that throws in the towel with 4 mins left to play.

And on deep patterns he still has to stop and wait for the ball (and the defender) to catch up to him.

[TexansBlood]

We have not scored an offensive TD in the last 7 quarters played, last one was AJ's 1st quarter td vs Colts last week...

Isnt Kubiak a offensive minded coach??

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by amazing80

There were times our oline caved, you are correct, then there were times Matt caved for no reason and bailed out of the pocket drifting back or sideways, hard to protect a qb when he bails the pocket prematurely

Did he make one play outside the pocket?

It was as if they never imagined in a million years Schaub would escape the pocket & so had no idea what to do. Matt didn't know. His receivers didn't know. His running backs didn't know. The blockers didn't know. The only people who knew what to do when Schaub got out of the pocket were wearing purple.

[dtran04]

O-Line has been getting destroyed. Simple as that. Arian has no shot on half of the running plays.

There's a reason whey Brandon Brooks has been getting time. Same with Posey too. WRs are not getting any separation. AJ gets open due to scheme moreso than physical abilities nowadays.

You don't rotate guys unless there's a reason to. They are doing it out of necessity, not because they want to.

[GP]

Tim Ryan to Chris Myers during our very uninspired "play" vs. the Vikings:

"Chris, I just don't get it. This team, the Texans, is getting nowhere with these 3 WR, 1 RB sets. This offense is best when it runs a set of 2 TEs, 1 FB, and 1 RB. That's where they see their best production."

Pretty simple, but Kubiak is anything BUT simple. Well, maybe he IS in some ways I suppose, but when it comes to just doing what we're best at...the guy deviates from it, for whatever reason, and he tries everything under the sun but what works.

It's as if we're apologetic. "Oh hey, sorry we had 12 wins and 2 losses...I mean, that's not sporting of us. Here, let's completely blow this game vs. the one-dimensional Vikings and get a 3rd loss just to make sure you know we're human too. It was really classless of us to think we would go 14 and 2."

Let's throw it on 1st and goal from the 2-foot line. Run? Ha ha ha! Yeah, that's conventional wisdom but....throwing will shake things up. I mean, who needs to run on 1st down and then set up a play-action on 2nd or 3rd down? Nah. Let's get our one pass out of the way RIGHT NOW and then obviously run on the next two downs. See how smart we are? Oh crap, it didn't work?!?!? Seriously? Geez, what the heck is going on around here?"

[Showtime100]

Originally Posted by AMartin56

Although I will say that if I have to blame one player it would be Watt.

It's well past time for him to take a Ryan/Gilbride-ish swing at one of his offensive teammates...maybe that would finally motivate them to man up.

This post blows my mind. Holy crap I've seen some odd posts, but this.....

We have sarcasm emoticons, since you couldn't have been serious you might want to use them until we know you better.

[AMartin56]

Originally Posted by Showtime100

This post blows my mind. Holy crap I've seen some odd posts, but this.....

We have sarcasm emoticons, since you couldn't have been serious you might want to use them until we know you better.

I believe the sarcasm is implied when I suggest he punch a teammate. Sheesh...

[Showtime100]

Originally Posted by AMartin56

I believe the sarcasm is implied when I suggest he punch a teammate. Sheesh...

No. You could be an iidiot for all anyone knows. Of course I'm not calling you an iidiot, but the point being we wouldn't know with so few posts to go on. No big deal, but emoticons do have a purpose from time to time.

[AMartin56]

Well YOU could be an idiot for needing everything spelled out for you in little pictures. Luckily we're both smarter than that. Merry Christmas.

[NitroGSXR]

Originally Posted by AMartin56

Well YOU could be an idiot for needing everything spelled out for you in little pictures. Luckily we're both smarter than that. Merry Christmas.

Say what?



In my best Tiny Tim voice... Merry Christmas everyone!

[amazing80]

Now this is where the criticism for Gary comes into play. We're a run first team. We want to play great defense, run the ball well and limit Schaubs ability to make mistakes. So why does Gary consistently come out passing a million times to start the game? Also, why does he feel the need to pass vs good secondaries and not run and then vice versa, if the losers at espn can tell me to play OD vs the Pats because they suck vs TEs while the hell doesn't Gary figure this out and run crazy plays vs TEs.....Like the one where they PA to the left and OD down blocks all the way from left TE and then cuts out the back door on the right wide open down the field..where is that play?

where is the play AJ lines up as FB and motions out? They are creative but its RARE. Hell have you EVER seen us run a flea flicker? Tell me how amazing that would be in our system.