Un-Inspired, Un-Motivated, Heartless Paper Champs of the AFC South

[El Tejano]

I guess noone wants to look at the fact that we haven't had any TDs for 6 quarters?

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Rey

Denver was Schaub's best game this season IMO. That was the game where I thought, ok...we have something...

He looked like the kind of QB that could make plays on the way to a SB that day.

A buddy of mine at work had Schaub on his bench that week. He said we was scared to start Schaub because you never know. He might put up a bunch of yards, but never put up TDs.

I told him this was the new norm... get used to it.

He came back & cussed me the following week.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by El Tejano

I guess noone wants to look at the fact that we haven't had any TDs for 6 quarters?

Nope..... you're the only one.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

Slow & steady wins the race my friend.


Slow & steady.

So Matt is "Slow" and Gary is "Steady" right?

[qqert]

Originally Posted by Rey

Denver was Schaub's best game this season IMO. .

kubiak really needs to get back to the plays that worked for him.
in the 4th n 1 vs the vikings, that wide out pass to foster wouldve worked better than punching it in vs a loaded box.

also look at the OD touchdown, that was a 2-te set.

the only plays hes been calling mostly in his recent losses are the deep bomb, crossing routes and run up the middle.

gotta have more, if those plays dont work, setup another one from that playbook.

thanks for pointing out the DEN game.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

Ever since halftime of the Titans game , this offense has been .... out of whack.

Not so sure exactly what the problem is but the play of the OL and QB dont pass the eyeball test.

Agreed,

I also think the QB/OL play has severely impacted Garys Dennys menu. LOL

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

So Matt is "Slow" and Gary is "Steady" right?

& we're going to win this beatch

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

Agreed,

I also think the QB/OL play has severely impacted Garys Dennys menu. LOL

Absolutely the limitations of the QB and OL have impacted what Gary is able to call. We never see route combinations that have recievers multiple recievers running deep routes that require some "zip".... Because he knows Schaub cant make that throw.
If they go deep , its with one reciever and Schaub is able to put some air under it .... Never asking for a "lazer type" delivery.

I have to wonder if Schaub has an undisclosed injury that is affecting his play tho because he just hasnt been right for so long.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

Absolutely the limitations of the QB and OL have impacted what Gary is able to call. We never see route combinations that have recievers multiple recievers running deep routes that require some "zip".... Because he knows Schaub cant make that throw.
If they go deep , its with one reciever and Schaub is able to put some air under it .... Never asking for a "lazer type" delivery.

I have to wonder if Schaub has an undisclosed injury that is affecting his play tho because he just hasnt been right for so long.

Schaub's play has not been effected. Hell it was just a few weeks ago that he threw for over 500 yards and like 5 TD's without a solid running game that day. The running game has turned into mud since Gary Kubiak ran Arian Foster into a grave all season, and the O line is playing poorly right now. Schaub will always look bad when the O line gets man handled. It's always been that way with him. Same with any non mobile QB like Schaub. When pass protection breaks down, you can't expect Schaub to be able to run around and extend all these plays, because he isn't fast enough. People need to be questioning the running game right now just as much as they need to be questioning what Schaub can do. Somehow the problem with the running game is being over looked. If Schaub gets protection and a little help from the running game again, then he'll be fine. It also might help if one of these WR's other then Andre could actually go out and get open and make a play.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

People need to be questioning the running game right now just as much as they need to be questioning what Schaub can do.

I think this is correct. I does not appear to me we are running near as much of the extreme zone stretch play. That is what our guys are best at - coming off the line almost traveling parallel to it and then the RB just finds a gap. They look like they are trying to pull off some sort of bizarre combination of zone and power.

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Schaub's play has not been effected. Hell it was just a few weeks ago that he threw for over 500 yards and like 5 TD's without a solid running game that day.

Against a team that ranks defensively 24th in passing yds given up. And, IIRC, his 5 TDs were complemented with 2 or 3 INTs.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

Against a team that ranks defensively 24th in passing yds given up. And, IIRC, his 5 TDs were complemented with 2 or 3 INTs.

It was 2 INT's and was also complimented with a 78% completion percentage and a 121.7 QB rathing.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

Against a team that ranks defensively 24th in passing yds given up. And, IIRC, his 5 TDs were complemented with 2 or 3 INTs.

When does Arian Foster's stats in a big game ever get totally thrown out because it's against a poor running defense??

When does Andre Johnson's stats against weak corners get shunned because he goes against a team with poor CB's and weak pass rush?

Sorry, but that is a straw man argument when people blow off a great performance by a QB just because of the defense. Sure, you can doubt that a player is capable of doing the same against great defenses consistently, but an achievement in any week of the NFL is a big deal. It's not like Schaub had just a good game. He had a monster game and one for the record books. I have never heard anyone trash Foster's big games when he does it against a poor defense.

Seems like people are so hell bent on trying to hate Schaub all of a sudden that they refuse to even acknowledge anything positive that he's done. There is always some sort of technicality to it as if it didn't happen. Sorry, but facts are facts.

[Corrosion]

Meh , Im with C&D on this - Its obvious to me that Schaub isnt right. He isnt doing those little things we have been accustomed to him doing in the past that allow him to buy that extra half second that is the difference between a sack or incompletion or staying on schedule.

If defenders get near his feet .... he's going down almost on his own.

Pocket collapses , he's not stepping up or side stepping either.

Others have complained that Schaub has "giving up" on plays too early ....


Ive been watching it for the last month and its become obvious to me that the foot doesnt allow him to do those little things - combine that with the below average OL play we have witnessed in that stretch and this offense is below average.
No TD's in six quarters. 1 TD against that weak Dolts defense , 3 points in the second half against the Titans. This definately isnt the same offense that has been near the top of the league in scoring during the weeks prior to this poor stretch. Honestly , I think that you can look as far back as the Chicago game ... This offense just hasnt been right , even with the offensive explosion against the Lions.

Foster has hovered around 3.7 ypc all season .... thats a far cry from the 4.3+ we expect from "the best back in the league" not named AP. I blame Fosters sub par numbers on Wade Smith , Ben Jones and Derek Newton.

Smith has been horrid the past month.

Newton has been a pleasant surprise as a pass blocker but his run blocking is sub par.

Jones has made a lot of mistakes.


We've seen defenders making penetration onto the backfield forcing Foster to make his cuts far earlier than normal and defenders have been able to set the edge , stringing plays out to the sidelines as well.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

Foster has hovered around 3.7 ypc all season .... thats a far cry from the 4.3+ we expect from "the best back in the league" not named AP. I blame Fosters sub par numbers on Wade Smith , Ben Jones and Derek Newton.

Smith has been horrid the past month.

Newton has been a pleasant surprise as a pass blocker but his run blocking is sub par.

Well alright then, there is a huge problem with the Oline then. IF there are problems with the QB especially from pass protection and problems with the running game, and you're blaming the O lineman you mentioned, then there seems to be a big stain across the O line and I don't see you questioning them. It has amazed me at how everyone acts like this kind of stuff is something new from Matt Schaub. He has pulled this crap in other seasons plenty of times. When the Oline isn't protecting him, he'll look really bad, because he's nothing but an old school pocket passer. By your own admission there are problems with the blocking, so by default Schaub will suffer from that as well due to his skill set. The Texans are not a team that is going to win anything if you're going to expect Schaub to do it. But at some point people need to stop looking at Schaub as the only issue and wake up to the fact that there are issues all over this offense and that goes back to Gary Kubiak as this is his offense that has fell apart lately.

[wildroot]

It's not that we have 3 losses, it's that we just totally rolled over and looked absolutely out-classed in those 3 losses. You take out those 3 teams we lost to and we played a pretty weak schedule.

Then you go back and look at some of the wins....we were lucky to have Denver early and get a win before Manning got in sync, a win in Chicago without Cutler, it took O/T and a "gift TD" to win against a 4 win team in Detroit, again O/T to beat a Jag team in total disaray and without MJD, and we even made the Jets look good... Other than the Raven win, it seems as if we were just damn lucky all season long. That's part of Football though.

But there won't be Miami or Tenn or Buffalo or the NYJs in the playoffs. We're going to see teams like N.E, GB and Minnesota....that's the level of teams that were on our schedule that we're going to face in the playoffs, and against that level of play we weren't able to compete. I mean really, those teams rubbed our noses in it, gave us no reason to think we ever had a chance.

I can only hope that this whole season was some grande master plan/charade of Kubiak's and these 3 losses were part of the plan of what he wanted the league to see from us, until he unleashes our fury in the playoffs. We can only hope.

But again, no one upset that we lost 3 games.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Well alright then, there is a huge problem with the Oline then. IF there are problems with the QB especially from pass protection and problems with the running game, and you're blaming the O lineman you mentioned, then there seems to be a big stain across the O line and I don't see you questioning them. It has amazed me at how everyone acts like this kind of stuff is something new from Matt Schaub. He has pulled this crap in other seasons plenty of times. When the Oline isn't protecting him, he'll look really bad, because he's nothing but an old school pocket passer. By your own admission there are problems with the blocking, so by default Schaub will suffer from that as well due to his skill set. The Texans are not a team that is going to win anything if you're going to expect Schaub to do it. But at some point people need to stop looking at Schaub as the only issue and wake up to the fact that there are issues all over this offense and that goes back to Gary Kubiak as this is his offense that has fell apart lately.

Yes there are problems with the blocking .... But Im also not seeing Schaub do many of the little things Im accustomed to seeing him do.

We're use to seeing Schaub step up or side step a breakdown in the pocket , he's not doing that as well as in the past.

We havent seen the Texans run a single QB sneak all season and that is a direct result of Schaubs foot issue - He can not push off.

We havent seen Schaub throw that patented jump pass at all this season after him using it extensively in the past.

He's also looks to have lost a little range on the deep ball , probably because of the foot and not being able to really plant it.

All of his movements in the backfield are choreographed , smooth and easy.

Its not just one thing wrong here , its a culmination of things that have lead this offenses poor showing in recent weeks - Most notably on third downs where several parts of the problem come into play. Both Schaubs increased lack of mobility and an inefective offensive line ...


Doc warned us long ago that Schaubs injury would likely lead to his wearing down over the course of a game and the season - Looks like he was right again .... This might explain why Yates has taken snaps against both the Pats and Vikes. In past seasons , Schaub would stay in win or lose.

[mridge01]

Originally Posted by BullNation4Life

Blast me if you will, this team is DEFIANTLY not a #1 seed for the playoffs. Scream all you want about being 12-3, it is the most un-inspiring 12-3 I have ever witnessed a football team to be.

You have something to play for and you concede to play in a building you have not won at in 11 years...

absolutely pathetic...

I think they will prove this come Sunday.

[mridge01]

Originally Posted by Norg

Whats with all this doom and gloom ????? ive been here for a min and ive never seen it this bad after a loss yall people need to MAN UP Get over it LOL

Heck be like the players whats there saying get over it MOnday by the end of monday i think its time to move on

Must be all these 2 year bandwagon fans

do yall even know what it was like 02-05 years LOL

That's all well and good, but you can't tell me you're just fine with the Texans being in position to win the #1 seed and blowing it by playing horrible against lesser competition (on paper).

[Thorn]

Some of you have already made up your minds about the state of the Texans based on your predictions of this coming Sunday.