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Old 12-23-2012   #121
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Worth a look. That's all I said. You're starting to embarrass yourself now with this selective reading bull****. Matt is paying for your loft isn't he. Well, hopefully he gets to stick around and buy baby nice things.
Non responsive post completely. You've been calling Schaub a duck for a long time, but could care less that he has led this offense to a ton of scores this season which has made this team at the top of the league in scoring. You can't sit here and say a team is all these bad things on offense with Schaub there when they have scored as many points as they have. Otherwise, you're just saying you want someone like Manning or Brady who is higher then them scoring wise, and that is not going to happen. You, then suggest that all these other guys are worth a look that have never had any season even close to what Schaub has done, so this argument falls pretty hard when that is your criteria to replace him.
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Non responsive post completely. You've been calling Schaub a duck for a long time, but could care less that he has led this offense to a ton of scores this season which has made this team at the top of the league in scoring. You can't sit here and say a team is all these bad things on offense with Schaub there when they have scored as many points as they have. Otherwise, you're just saying you want someone like Manning or Brady who is higher then them scoring wise, and that is not going to happen. You, then suggest that all these other guys are worth a look that have never had any season even close to what Schaub has done, so this argument falls pretty hard when that is your criteria to replace him.
I don't think you comprehend what a game manager is and BTW 4000 yards is chump change in this new era football. Schaub is a game manager in a system designed to allow easy completions and occasionally throwing deep. Ever scream at your TV for him to run the damn ball on one of those amazing boot legs? But instead he runs to the sidelines and gets sucked up bt 300 pound DTs and throws it away? Its pathetic....if a guy isn't wide open he doesn't throw it. Schaub puts up stats because he has one of the best wide outs to ever play the game on his team who consistently bails him out.....he is over rated, its ok to admit it
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I don't think you comprehend what a game manager is and BTW 4000 yards is chump change in this new era football. Schaub is a game manager in a system designed to allow easy completions and occasionally throwing deep. Ever scream at your TV for him to run the damn ball on one of those amazing boot legs? But instead he runs to the sidelines and gets sucked up bt 300 pound DTs and throws it away? Its pathetic....if a guy isn't wide open he doesn't throw it. Schaub puts up stats because he has one of the best wide outs to ever play the game on his team who consistently bails him out.....he is over rated, its ok to admit it
You are clueless to what a game manager is when you call a QB that who has led a team to being the 3rd highest scoring team in the league. That statement falls on it's face completely when the facts are reviewed. When you're the QB of a team that is the 3rd highest team in scoring, that's not a game manager. That's a QB that is leading a team to one of the most successful offenses in the league. I've yet to hear one Schaub basher respond or even have a rebuttal to that. Don't waste your time either, because you can't rebuttal being one of the highest teams in scoring points. That's the objective for an offense to score. Guys like you weren't bashing Schaub when they were 9-1. You are now though, because it's a knee jerk reaction where there is no gray areas for any player. It's either we're a great team or we're a terrible team. It's either doom or gloom without anything in the middle.
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I don't think you comprehend what a game manager is and BTW 4000 yards is chump change in this new era football. Schaub is a game manager in a system designed to allow easy completions and occasionally throwing deep. Ever scream at your TV for him to run the damn ball on one of those amazing boot legs? But instead he runs to the sidelines and gets sucked up bt 300 pound DTs and throws it away? Its pathetic....if a guy isn't wide open he doesn't throw it. Schaub puts up stats because he has one of the best wide outs to ever play the game on his team who consistently bails him out.....he is over rated, its ok to admit it
I get a kick out of the stats thing...

We have a top TE, a potential hall of fame wr, a ok group of wr's, a top 5 rb that can run and catch, two probowl caliber olinemen, a good back up rb...a good back up TE. A versatile fb that can make plays when given a chance...we have a greT offensive mind in kubiak that has win superbowls as a coach...
..and on top of that the qb is not Blaine gabbert.

We SHOULD be good and put up numbers.

Schaub has put up good numbers, but he's not this 2nd tier guy people want to make him out to be. He's a good back up.

We should be searching for someone more dynamic with better tangibles that can make plays happen.

Schaub is going to be in the league a long time as a back up qb. He's smart, doesnt make a lot of mistakes, accurate enough. Throws nice airy passes that are easy to catch. He's Chad Pennington without the moxie. He's a better version of Jake delhomme. He's an immobile jake plummer.

Schaub doesn't bring a whole lot to the table really.
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You are clueless to what a game manager is when you call a QB that who has led a team to being the 3rd highest scoring team in the league. That statement falls on it's face completely when the facts are reviewed. When you're the QB of a team that is the 3rd highest team in scoring, that's not a game manager. That's a QB that is leading a team to one of the most successful offenses in the league. I've yet to hear one Schaub basher respond or even have a rebuttal to that. Don't waste your time either, because you can't rebuttal being one of the highest teams in scoring points. That's the objective for an offense to score. Guys like you weren't bashing Schaub when they were 9-1. You are now though, because it's a knee jerk reaction where there is no gray areas for any player. It's either we're a great team or we're a terrible team. It's either doom or gloom without anything in the middle.
FIRST of all, I never liked Schaub, no facts to prove it here, but I have 13k posts on ff.com to prove that, 2nd of all people complained about Schaub plenty but people on this site quickly dismiss anything critical of this team during a win streak but they call you a downer and tell you to root for another team....a team can be good and have bad players

This team scores alot because of our run game

Matt is not top 10 in yards, not in top 15 for YPA, not top 10 in yards a game, not top 10 in tds, barely top 10 in ints thrown, BUT as a game manager, he is top 10 in completion %, why? because he looks for check downs or wide open people because our system is BA like that

and for your stupid scoring stat you like to throw around, were 4th because our RUSH tds is 2nd best in the league, thus bumping us up quite a bit, so quit throwing that around as if Matt Schaub has anything to do with it
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I get a kick out of the stats thing...

We have a top TE, a potential hall of fame wr, a ok group of wr's, a top 5 rb that can run and catch, two probowl caliber olinemen, a good back up rb...a good back up TE. A versatile fb that can make plays when given a chance...we have a greT offensive mind in kubiak that has win superbowls as a coach...
..and on top of that the qb is not Blaine gabbert.

We SHOULD be good and put up numbers.

Schaub has put up good numbers, but he's not this 2nd tier guy people want to make him out to be. He's a good back up.

We should be searching for someone more dynamic with better tangibles that can make plays happen.

Schaub is going to be in the league a long time as a back up qb. He's smart, doesnt make a lot of mistakes, accurate enough. Throws nice airy passes that are easy to catch. He's Chad Pennington without the moxie. He's a better version of Jake delhomme. He's an immobile jake plummer.

Schaub doesn't bring a whole lot to the table really.
Wow. Shocking post to say the least.


If it was that easy, then we could just bring anyone in here to run this offense. What a crock and another typical knee jerk reaction to QB play. Why didn't Yates do that last season then when he lost the last few games of the season and couldn't even put away Indy? Why didn't Sage Rosenfels do that when he was the QB for a good period of time?? Why didn't Orvlosky look like that or Grossman when they had their opportunities. The fact is the only QB that has ever done that on this team is Matt Schaub out of everyone who has had their chance.
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and for your stupid scoring stat you like to throw around, were 4th because our RUSH tds is 2nd best in the league, thus bumping us up quite a bit, so quit throwing that around as if Matt Schaub has anything to do with it
How the hell do you thing we get up there to score the freaking rushing TD's?? What is it Arian Foster running 60 yard TD's all game long every week?? Newsflash, people in this forum think that Arian Foster is garbage too now days and feel that he isn't worth a **** either, so I guess you're in the minority there on that. Foster is a great RZ back no question, but he hasn't had a ton of long HR plays so the rushing TD excuse you're making to discredit the team's points on offense falls completely flat. THe NE Patriots are far and away the best offense in the league and NO ONE ARGUES THAT. Not even you. And guess what? The Patriots have the most rushing TD's in the entire league. But who do you think gets them down there to score those rushing TD's?? It's TOm freaking Brady. He gets them really close and Ridley runs it in there and that is a huge thing that has hurt BRady's TD pass numbers, because they could be a lot higher. But don't sit here and act like our rushing game has done all the work to get our scores, because that is just false and it is also a huge insult to Andre Johnson's season as well.
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How the hell do you thing we get up there to score the freaking rushing TD's?? What is it Arian Foster running 60 yard TD's all game long every week?? Newsflash, people in this forum think that Arian Foster is garbage too now days and feel that he isn't worth a **** either, so I guess you're in the minority there on that. Foster is a great RZ back no question, but he hasn't had a ton of long HR plays so the rushing TD excuse you're making to discredit the team's points on offense falls completely flat. THe NE Patriots are far and away the best offense in the league and NO ONE ARGUES THAT. Not even you. And guess what? The Patriots have the most rushing TD's in the entire league. But who do you think gets them down there to score those rushing TD's?? It's TOm freaking Brady. He gets them really close and Ridley runs it in there and that is a huge thing that has hurt BRady's TD pass numbers, because they could be a lot higher. But don't sit here and act like our rushing game has done all the work to get our scores, because that is just false and it is also a huge insult to Andre Johnson's season as well.
We're 3rd in the league in 20 and 40 plus yard plays, so yes our run game DOES CARRY THIS TEAM thats the point. If our run game stalls our offense is trash, why, because schaub sucks, get the point yet?
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You are clueless to what a game manager is when you call a QB that who has led a team to being the 3rd highest scoring team in the league. That statement falls on it's face completely when the facts are reviewed. When you're the QB of a team that is the 3rd highest team in scoring, that's not a game manager. That's a QB that is leading a team to one of the most successful offenses in the league. I've yet to hear one Schaub basher respond or even have a rebuttal to that. Don't waste your time either, because you can't rebuttal being one of the highest teams in scoring points. That's the objective for an offense to score. Guys like you weren't bashing Schaub when they were 9-1. You are now though, because it's a knee jerk reaction where there is no gray areas for any player. It's either we're a great team or we're a terrible team. It's either doom or gloom without anything in the middle.
I don't think you're being honest in your stats about the texans offense and schaub in general. I mean, how many tds have come as a result of te defense ? Just pure numbers,they have scored 2 offensive tds the last 3 weeks and its the same thing. Kubiak is managing a limited skilled qb because he doesn't have a great choice right now just as they did with griese and plummer. Schaub will not throw guys open,can't throw from different platforms,and needs a run game to be effecient. Once kubes identify a qb with the kind of arm and foot talent he needs to fully run his offense, schaub will be gone. To use some stat of how good the texans offesnse is doesn't really add up to me.
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We're 3rd in the league in 20 and 40 plus yard plays, so yes our run game DOES CARRY THIS TEAM thats the point. If our run game stalls our offense is trash, why, because schaub sucks, get the point yet?
Saying that Schaub sucks is just an over statement to the fullest from a bandwagon fan. Saying that he has gotten worse or that he has been playing on the cold side is one thing. But to say that he sucks just shows to me that you're just a guy jumps on and off the bandwagon from week to week. I've seen tons of guys like you on this site over the years though. Every week you'll have a different opinion that gets exacerbated based off of what the team does each week. No consistency. Saying that Schaub sucks is weak all together.
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I don't think you're being honest in your stats about the texans offense and schaub in general. I mean, how many tds have come as a result of te defense ? Just pure numbers,they have scored 2 offensive tds the last 3 weeks and its the same thing. Kubiak is managing a limited skilled qb because he doesn't have a great choice right now just as they did with griese and plummer. Schaub will not throw guys open,can't throw from different platforms,and needs a run game to be effecient. Once kubes identify a qb with the kind of arm and foot talent he needs to fully run his offense, schaub will be gone. To use some stat of how good the texans offesnse is doesn't really add up to me.
Where was all of this stuff before the Patriots game?? The Texans lose and all of a sudden our offense is nothing despite what they have put up on the scoreboard all season long.

You sound like every other over reactive guy I've heard all season long.

1. First it was AJ is done and we need to find his replacement, because he isn't the same. I laughed at the guys saying that.

2. Last week and the week before Arian Foster was all of a sudden trash despite the great season he has had amongst his other RB peers.

3. Now Schaub sucks and he isn't worth a damn and all the success is because of his counter parts despite no other Texans QB in their history ever being any good with the same guys.


You guys change up this stuff from week to week I swear. Lol!
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Saying that Schaub sucks is just an over statement to the fullest from a bandwagon fan. Saying that he has gotten worse or that he has been playing on the cold side is one thing. But to say that he sucks just shows to me that you're just a guy jumps on and off the bandwagon from week to week. I've seen tons of guys like you on this site over the years though. Every week you'll have a different opinion that gets exacerbated based off of what the team does each week. No consistency. Saying that Schaub sucks is weak all together.
and the calling of "bandwagon jumper" begins

You're right dude, I spent a few thousand dollars in October to fly to Houston with my wife to see the Ravens and met with some of the Blue crew because Im a bandwagon jumper, I have a ****ing tattoo on my arm and named my dog Texan because Im a bandwagon jumper, go **** yourself

This right here is why I stopped posting on this site to begin with, you disagree with people who have been around a while and they say stupid **** and question your loyalty, Im going to bed before I get ANOTHER lifetime ban from Vinny, peace out
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I don't think you're being honest in your stats about the texans offense and schaub in general. I mean, how many tds have come as a result of te defense ? Just pure numbers,they have scored 2 offensive tds the last 3 weeks and its the same thing. Kubiak is managing a limited skilled qb because he doesn't have a great choice right now just as they did with griese and plummer. Schaub will not throw guys open,can't throw from different platforms,and needs a run game to be effecient. Once kubes identify a qb with the kind of arm and foot talent he needs to fully run his offense, schaub will be gone. To use some stat of how good the texans offesnse is doesn't really add up to me.
I don't think I can agree that Schaub can't throw a receiver open.
He's not the best at it, but he's at least average in that department.
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I get a kick out of the stats thing...

We have a top TE, a potential hall of fame wr, a ok group of wr's, a top 5 rb that can run and catch, two probowl caliber olinemen, a good back up rb...a good back up TE. A versatile fb that can make plays when given a chance...we have a greT offensive mind in kubiak that has win superbowls as a coach...
..and on top of that the qb is not Blaine gabbert.

We SHOULD be good and put up numbers.

Schaub has put up good numbers, but he's not this 2nd tier guy people want to make him out to be. He's a good back up.

We should be searching for someone more dynamic with better tangibles that can make plays happen.

Schaub is going to be in the league a long time as a back up qb. He's smart, doesnt make a lot of mistakes, accurate enough. Throws nice airy passes that are easy to catch. He's Chad Pennington without the moxie. He's a better version of Jake delhomme. He's an immobile jake plummer.

Schaub doesn't bring a whole lot to the table really.
Have you understood NOTHING that Texecutioner is saying? That is simply NOT POSSIBLE. You cannot find another Manning or Brady and the only way you will be able to improve on Matt Schaub is to get Manning or Brady. No one else can do it and wasting our time looking for someone is wrong. HAVEN'T YOU SEEN HIS STATS? DO YOU EVEN STAT?

No QB has ever taken the Texans as far as Matt Schaub and no QB ever will.

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and the calling of "bandwagon jumper" begins

You're right dude, I spent a few thousand dollars in October to fly to Houston with my wife to see the Ravens and met with some of the Blue crew because Im a bandwagon jumper, I have a ****ing tattoo on my arm and named my dog Texan because Im a bandwagon jumper, go **** yourself

This right here is why I stopped posting on this site to begin with, you disagree with people who have been around a while and they say stupid **** and question your loyalty, Im going to bed before I get ANOTHER lifetime ban from Vinny, peace out
Yes, you sound like a bandwagon guy when you flip your opinion on the team every other week. That's just being over reactionary. I've seen people do it with Kubiak for years. One week Kubiak is the man, then they're in the fire Kubiak threads wanting his ass out of here, then wanting him back for another season when he wins a few at the end of the season. How the hell can you possibly have any clue what a good coach is when you're all over the place with differing opinions like that every week and every season? Not saying you were one of those guys on Kubes but a ton in here have been and still are. That's not showing me any type of football IQ or an opinion that is valid. It's just like the guys that wrote off AJ early on this season and acted like he couldn't play anymore or the guys that act like Foster can't run anymore when his numbers are great this season. But you, you are flat out saying that Matt Schaub sucks like he is some sort of bottom feeder at QB in this league. That is jumping off the band wagon of a player big time. You weren't spewing this mess about our QB in the first 9 weeks of the season. You see a little bit of adversity and you're blasting our guys as if they've proven nothing all year long when they've had the best season of their existence and they've had the best record all year long. It's not any sign of any type of stable analyzing at all. It's just jump off the cliff if things don't go right or swear that we're SB bound if we have a great game.
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Wow. Shocking post to say the least.


If it was that easy, then we could just bring anyone in here to run this offense. What a crock and another typical knee jerk reaction to QB play. Why didn't Yates do that last season then when he lost the last few games of the season and couldn't even put away Indy? Why didn't Sage Rosenfels do that when he was the QB for a good period of time?? Why didn't Orvlosky look like that or Grossman when they had their opportunities. The fact is the only QB that has ever done that on this team is Matt Schaub out of everyone who has had their chance.
Well we watch the same thing and see it differently.

Yates looked competent last year for a rookie thrown in the fire first of all. Let's get this part out of the way. Yates stats and games were very comparable to Andy Dalton's. Biggest difference is that Dalton had the benefit of being a starter from day one and getting all the reps. Dalton too had horrendous outings against Baltimore.

Yates would not have done as well as he did for a lot of other teams. Almost every qb that comes in here looks better than what they did previously or what they do afterwards. Delhomme looked good in his 1 game. Leinart looked serviceable. Carr had one of his best years under kubiak. Sage looked good here. Someone actually traded a good pick for sage...think about that...

John beck looked good in the pre season.

How many qb's have actually stunk it up here? I mean like, just down right awful when you've seen them play in any organized game?

About that baltimore game last year. Yates threw three picks. Yes. But there were two moments early in the game that I believe shook him for a second. One was obviously the jacoby fumble. Another was a big drop by Andre. It was a good ball by tj...would have picked up 15 or 20 I think. Perfect ball location and dre dropped it and we ended up punting that drive I believe. Up until those thongs happened we were rolling pretty good.

All that said, he battled through it. He made plays in that game. He got us in position to win it at the end with a desperation pass to the endzone. Kw had the ball. It hit him in the hands. He dropped it.

Yeah he threw three picks...on the road...against a defense that was on point at the time...

So did Brady the next week...at home....

You gonna hold it over tj's head that when he was a rookie 5th rounder, that won the franchises first play off game ever and went into Baltimore in a tough game and threw 3 int's, but schaub as a multi year starter throws a game losing pick six in OT at home in a non hostile environment to the same team gets a pass? Or a look the other way?

At least Yates has upside. And I don't even care about Yates. I'm not sold on him, but I loved what I saw from him last year. Dude showed up big time.

Listen bro. At the end of the day, you can believe what you want to believe. Schaub is not a borderline elite qb. He is mediocre at best. Too many holes in his game. I can name way more things he can't do or hasn't proven to do than I can name things that he can do. At this stage in his career that screams back up qb.

BUT all that said...we can win with schaub. We need a lot of breaks to go our way and we need other areas of the team to be phenomenal because schaub is not going to cover anyones weaknesses. He has too many of his own to deal with.
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Have you understood NOTHING that Texecutioner is saying? That is simply NOT POSSIBLE. You cannot find another Manning or Brady and the only way you will be able to improve on Matt Schaub is to get Manning or Brady. No one else can do it and wasting our time looking for someone is wrong. HAVEN'T YOU SEEN HIS STATS? DO YOU EVEN STAT?

No QB has ever taken the Texans as far as Matt Schaub and no QB ever will.

None of the stooges that you suggested earlier. Nope.

You complain every single time Schaub isn't fantastic. I don't remember you blasting Schaub when he threw for over 500 yards and like 4 TD's when the defense stunk it up for two straight weeks and Schaub's offense had to put up like over 30 in both games. Didn't hear a peep out of you then. Can't ever remember you breathing a word about the #2 or #3 WR's that don't help him out in certain games or the O line who played horribly today. It's always on our QB who isn't an elite player and shouldn't be expected to be. Nice exxaggeration though Herv.
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BUT all that said...we can win with schaub. We need a lot of breaks to go our way and we need other areas of the team to be phenomenal because schaub is not going to cover anyones weaknesses. He has too many of his own to deal with.
I'm not even going to address the yates stuff anymore, because the guy is irrelevant and will never be a full time starter here.

This last part I can be okay with. I used to say similar things about Schaub to guys who acted as if he was elite. I never said he was boderline elite even. He is and has been a guy that is like 7-12 though. He is right there with guys like Romo, Matt Ryan, and Eli would be part of this group as well if he hadn't had his SB runs, but season wise Eli has never been magical and has the same types of blunders that Schaub has at times. So does Matt Ryan, but Ryan is still a good QB that can lead his team to a lot of wins. I've heard Ryan get criticized a ton this season and the Falcons as well. They've won games though, and their team is stacked. If their fans are expecting Ryan to finish every team off in every close game like Brady does then they have unrealistic expectations as well. I've stated the same thing about Cowboys fans as well when they try to expect Romo to be that kind of guy. These guys are good QB's in this league, but people need to stop expecting them to be better then what they can be. That doesn't mean that you can't consistently win with them though.
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None of the stooges that you suggested earlier. Nope.

You complain every single time Schaub isn't fantastic. I don't remember you blasting Schaub when he threw for over 500 yards and like 4 TD's when the defense stunk it up for two straight weeks and Schaub's offense had to put up like over 30 in both games. Didn't hear a peep out of you then. Can't ever remember you breathing a word about the #2 or #3 WR's that don't help him out in certain games or the O line who played horribly today. It's always on our QB who isn't an elite player and shouldn't be expected to be. Nice exxaggeration though Herv.
Been pointing out Schaub's shortcomings for years Tex, just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it hasn't been happening.

Besides, who wants to bring up the ugly truth during wins? All you get is push back from homers here who wail about you being a downer and not being able to enjoy the win. Never mind the things he can't do, they didn't cost us the game this week and the Texans will get that ironed out soon enough right?

Schaub is still slow. He still loses his accuracy and makes bad decisions when he's playing in big games against quality opponents. The problems don't change.

And you don't know anything about the QB's I listed. No more than any casual fan of the game. What they could or could not do here is beyond your or my ability to accurately predict. I said they were worth a look, nothing more. If you never look for a better QB you're guaranteed not to find one.

I think the Texans need to start the process of looking for that guy. Matt Schaub has hit his ceiling.
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its not time for anything ..... MY gwad its not even the playoffs yet
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