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Old 12-17-2012   #21
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Default Re: Possible that we held back on NE?

Teams have up weeks and down weeks, it happens. I don't think we held back at NE, if anything, the Texans were ready but Brady and bunch just jumped on us quickly and we reacted like a deer in the headlights.
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Default Re: Possible that we held back on NE?

I thought about it, but nope. HFA was/is still on the line, as was the AFC South championship. You dont throw a game, and then bank on winning the next 3. Especially with the threat of going to NE in January. Nobody wants to do that, especially a dome team.
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NO, you play to win the game. I am hoping Wade learns from the weaknesses SF exposed last night. They mixed it up well a lot of man to man but I also noticed times when SF only had 2 guys rushing everyone else drop back into coverage.
Agreed, but you've got to know your personnel. Our LBs are worthless in zone. Brady will find the holes. They're better in man, at least their guy is covered for a second. Maybe a second & a half.
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Default Re: Possible that we held back on NE?

Oh please! We got our asses handed to us plain and simple. We got out coached, out played, and out classed that night. I hope we can return the favor in the playoffs.
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I thought about it, but nope. HFA was/is still on the line, as was the AFC South championship. You dont throw a game, and then bank on winning the next 3. Especially with the threat of going to NE in January. Nobody wants to do that, especially a dome team.
You're saying this about a coach who routinely mails it in and calls a draw play on 3rd and 10 from inside our own 10.

It's not likely that the coaches drew up really REALLY basic schemes for the Pats game, but it's possible.

The players looked weird to me. Like they knew the game wasn't really the big game that it had been built up to be. If you're a player and your coaches indicate, even in very subtle ways, that they're not playing all their wild cards to win that game vs. the Pats...you might not play your best. It could happen.

Kubiak is like that. He thinks he's a great thinker when it comes to strategy. I could easily see him taking that risk, banking on winning out and then pulling out all the stops when the Pats come to Reliant for the AFCC game.
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Default Re: Possible that we held back on NE?

Yeah, we held back against NE for a potential AFC Championship matchup...

We must've also held back against Green Bay hoping for a potential Super Bowl matchup...

I guess it's a good thing that Denver sucked early in the season, otherwise we might've held back against them too...


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You're saying this about a coach who routinely mails it in and calls a draw play on 3rd and 10 from inside our own 10.

It's not likely that the coaches drew up really REALLY basic schemes for the Pats game, but it's possible.

The players looked weird to me. Like they knew the game wasn't really the big game that it had been built up to be. If you're a player and your coaches indicate, even in very subtle ways, that they're not playing all their wild cards to win that game vs. the Pats...you might not play your best. It could happen.

Kubiak is like that. He thinks he's a great thinker when it comes to strategy. I could easily see him taking that risk, banking on winning out and then pulling out all the stops when the Pats come to Reliant for the AFCC game.
When you put it that way... I can see it. If any coach would try this move, it would be Kubiak. I dont think it happened though. Too many things could go wrong with that plan, although now it does look like the "plan" would have worked. NE losing yesterday was huge, as they would now have to win out while we lose out.
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The players looked weird to me. Like they knew the game wasn't really the big game that it had been built up to be. If you're a player and your coaches indicate, even in very subtle ways, that they're not playing all their wild cards to win that game vs. the Pats...you might not play your best. It could happen.
I agree with this. I know Kubiak & his coaches were telling them not to panic, to settle down, we're still in this.

I was watching the game with my brother in law & I told him the same thing. He said, "It's 21 nothing, you've got to start throwing it on every down."

I told him & I'm sure Kubiak told the players, we've got damn near three full quarters. We were never going to win a shootout with the Patriots & we definitely won't win one now.

We've got time to stick to our game plan, control the clock, score, & get a few defensive stops, we'll be back in it by the 4th qtr.

"Theoretically" that was our only chance to win. But, we couldn't convert on third downs, even 4th downs & we had plenty of opportunities to do so. A bad throw here, a dropped ball there & it's a different game. Keep in mind, the people dropping the ball was OD, Walter, Andre, & Arian, some of the best hands in the NFL.

But to summerize, I think they were over confident.
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But, we couldn't convert on third downs, even 4th downs & we had plenty of opportunities to do so. A bad throw here, a dropped ball there & it's a different game. Keep in mind, the people dropping the ball was OD, Walter, Andre, & Arian, some of the best hands in the NFL.

But to summerize, I think they were over confident.
Like some of the other posters have mentioned, this is a big problem. We couldn't convert in the second half of the Titans game.

We couldn't convert against the Patriots.

Though we converted yesterday against the Colts, we didn't convert in the red zone.

That has to be fixed. Kubiak needs to (or at least should need to) see them convert in the red zone so badly that there should be no talk of resting week 17. Even if we score 68 points against the Vikings, if that's because the defense scored, or scores off big plays, He should still keep his offensive starters in the game & make them prove they can convert in the red zone.

The defensive guys named Antonio Smith, Jj Watt, & Kj deserve the break, but I don't think those guys will take it.
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Default Re: Possible that we held back on NE?

Bottom line is that Patriots and 49ers are the two best teams in the NFL as witnessed last night. Question is: can the Texans beat New England (if that is who they face?) in the AFC Championship game? Then 49ers in Super Bowl? Tall task, but that is why they play the game. Key points in game dictate strategy moving forward, so I can't help but feel Kubiak consciously made a decision to build towards perceived inevitable match-up against these same Patriots in the playoffs @ some point. Not throwing the game but to step back, keep players out of harms way & evaluate specific player match-ups.

Next meeting will most surely be in Reliant. I fully expect Kubiak to be less conservative & outside his comfort zone, in more of attacking mode, playing the odds with a chip on the players & coaches collective minds with much different outcome
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Not a chance...we got wrecked by a team clicking on all cylinders. it was just like us against Baltimore this year.
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Oh please! We got our asses handed to us plain and simple. We got out coached, out played, and out classed that night. I hope we can return the favor in the playoffs.
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Question is: can the Texans beat New England (if that is who they face?) in the AFC Championship game?
They'll have to play the game of their lives. Coaches on both sides of the ball, too.

49ers dominated, but the Pats still had a chance. I'd like to have another shot at them.
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They'll have to play the game of their lives. Coaches on both sides of the ball, too.

49ers dominated, but the Pats still had a chance. I'd like to have another shot at them.
We should take care of our business at least once in the next two weeks.

And it will be them that need to beat the Bronco's (most probably) to have a shot at us in our house.

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He didn't hold back, but the players didn't execute and then we got too far behind to play.

SF's gameplan was very similar to ours. Man coverage, run the ball on the outside. They threw deep like we did, but they executed. I think a couple plays go our way last week the game woulda been much closer.
But we did not put our best on Welker........SF honed in on burying Welker on coverage.
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yeah, we held back so we could be humiliated on global TV. Kubez master plan is to look incompetent so we can sneak up on them later.
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Default Re: Possible that we held back on NE?

We didn't hold back. Sure, coaches keep some plays up their sleeves for certain situations, but NE jumped on us lightning quick and we were on our heels the entire game. Our team is built to jump on a lead early, and hold it by pounding away. We're simply not a "score a dozen points a minute" type team. Kubiak's style is to run the ball and pound the other team. I have no problem with that, as most dynastic championship teams are built that way (NE being the notable exception). Once we were down 21-0, we were completely out of our element and in a hostile environment and miserable conditions. The 9ers last night, on the other hand, jumped out to an early lead and kept piling on. With better playcalling, the Pats would never have jumped back into that game. Some call Harbaugh "ballsy", but I call it moronic what he did in that game. Dropping back into zone against the Patriots with Brady down by a few scores? Throwing the ball 70% of the time with a 4-TD lead? Stupid.
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The thing to remember is that it doesn't matter what the results from that game were. The entire time I was watching, or not watching since I turned it off after a while I was thinking of the Jets Monday Night game with them a few years back. They beat the Jets worse than they beat us. Then the Jets went back there in the divisional round and knocked them off. We're capable of beating them, but our execution has to be much better than it was that night. Its the reason I didn't panic too much.
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I thought that at one point...if you show Belecheat your best you let him prepare...lull him into a false sense of security.
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ABSOLUTELY! They surely held back on NE.

They wanted to sandbag NE into a trap game for the AFC Championship week.

Also, they wanted to come onto the TT Forum and read all the experts opinions on how bad they suck... oh, and my personal favorite, how one member would kick Schaub's ass if they ever ran into him. The poo slung on this forum that night was more pathetic than the actual game. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourselves fans. It's been a week now, and I've fought off all urge to say anything about the fans showing on this board that night. I am 100% confident that Patriot trolls were getting a bigger kick out of our game day thread than they were the actual game. Pathetic.


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