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Old 12-16-2012   #41
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i truly hate that watt isnt much in the (media's) league mvp radar anymore. i realize that the quarterback and to a lesser extent runningback have more direct impacts on how the ball moves, but watt is influencing plays and entire games nearly as much this season. run stops, tackles for loss, sacks, passes defensed ... no defensive player is having that much of an impact in a single area, forget about being close to doing it all. watt is doing everything, and doing each better than anyone else, AND doing it from a position that makes each more difficult.

as for andre, i think he'll get in pretty quickly. by the time he retires his yards and receptions will be near the top, and a couple more playoff wins will help. where i think he'll get the nod is that he basically changed the position. andre became the model for today's receivers. tall (6'3"), strong (230lbs), fast (100m sprinter), with a work ethic compared to jerry rice and moved away from the "diva" that receivers were being known for. guys like calvin johnson, roddy white, larry fitzgerald, and more are following in andre's footsteps.
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Gotta love Mega Watt.

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Watt had 10 tackles, six of them for a loss, including three sacks. He also forced a Mewelde Moore fumble at the Texans’ 1-yard line.
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“There were a couple plays I left on the field,” he said. “I know I missed two sacks.”
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Gotta love Mega Watt.

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“There were a couple plays I left on the field,” he said. “I know I missed two sacks.”
I think he took that from the Patriots.


Just imagine how demoralizing that was when Brady said they left points on the field. Now he's turning the tables & using that against the Colts.

We'll see how they respond.
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He didn't get those 2 sacks cuz the Colts was holding him. Seriously the guy is a beast. I wish Barwin, Smith, Reed, and Mercilus could match half his production.
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He didn't get those 2 sacks cuz the Colts was holding him. Seriously the guy is a beast. I wish Barwin, Smith, Reed, and Mercilus could match half his production.
Maybe if you combine all 4 of them = 1/2 of jj watt
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The one sad part about the Pats losing tonight is that with a win next week, it all but assures Watt will be inactive week 17, which means no sack record
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Maybe if you combine all 4 of them = 1/2 of jj watt
Sadly even combining all 4 of them you still don't get half. Close, but still not half.
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Aldon Smith has zero sacks tonight
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I don't know if I can remember seeing a defender totally dominate an entire team like Watt did vs the Colts. Remarkable stuff we are watching right now.
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I don't know if I can remember seeing a defender totally dominate an entire team like Watt did vs the Colts. Remarkable stuff we are watching right now.
Yes we are. People have criticized this analogy before but personality, work ethic, ripping style of play he looks like a bigger Bob Lilly to me.
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Reggie White had 21 sacks in the 12 game, strike shortened 1987 season. That was amazing. So is JJ's season. When you're in the company of Reggie White, you are a very special player.
Wasn't the quality of play in the NFL that year severely lacking due to the lockout?
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It sort of is that way. The mvp goes to best qb or rb, and dpoy goes to best defensive player. I think Taylor is the only defensive player to win and Jerry Rice was the only non qb/rb and they both had to share with most impressive qb that season.
Rice nor any WR have ever won AP NFL MVP.

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I don't know if I can remember seeing a defender totally dominate an entire team like Watt did vs the Colts. Remarkable stuff we are watching right now.
The sack on Luck he had, where he ran Luck backwards toward midfield...JJ Watt made so many moves and still kept going in almost a straight line, it was almost spooky what he did on that play.

I rewound that play 8 or 9 times to see it over and over. The speed, the hand techniques, everything. It was beautiful.
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J.J. Watt finished with three sacks on Sunday against the Colts, and had six plays overall tackling a Colt for a loss (10.5 percent of Indianapolis' total plays from scrimmage). Watt now has 34.5 disrupted dropbacks this season (sacks + passes defensed + interceptions), 15 more than the next-closest player (Aldon Smith). Watt has disrupted 5.9 percent of dropbacks faced by Houston's defense, with no other player higher than 4.0 percent.
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I don't know if I can remember seeing a defender totally dominate an entire team like Watt did vs the Colts. Remarkable stuff we are watching right now.

Yeah. This was the best game I've seen a defensive player play in a VERY long time.
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I think Reggie White is a good comparison. While his best year was in the strike shortened season, he also got eighteen sacks in the season before and after. Teams had to game plan for Reggie White the way they have to game plan for Watt. Just like Watt, he could completely disrupt an offense. Also like Watt, he was not an edge-rusher. I remember him playing inside as well as outside in Buddy Ryan's 4-6 defense. In retrospect, I can't remember an interior lineman as disruptive since White until Watt.
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Wasn't the quality of play in the NFL that year severely lacking due to the lockout?
There were 3 games played by replacement players in the 1987 season. White played in none of those games.
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Rice nor any WR have ever won AP NFL MVP.
Think about that for a minute, folks. Let that sink in. Jerry Rice, regarded as THE best WR in NFL history, and probably one of the ten best football players ever, NEVER WON MVP. That award is worthless and needs to be eliminated. They already have offensive player of the year, and they clearly do not know how to follow basic criteria for MVP.

The more I think about it, the more pissed off I get, actually.
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The one sad part about the Pats losing tonight is that with a win next week, it all but assures Watt will be inactive week 17, which means no sack record
If he was sitting at 21 for week 17, I could see him playing a half. Why wouldnt you give a guy a shot at it.
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Jerry Rice, regarded as THE best WR in NFL history, and probably one of the ten best football players ever, NEVER WON MVP.
That's ridiculous really. Not only that (I definitely believe he's one of the top ten players in history) but he's also one of the best people to ever play the game. He's a freak'n model for what you want your players to be. Class act, on the field, off the field. One of the best, but he prepared like he had something to prove.
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That award is worthless and needs to be eliminated. They already have offensive player of the year, and they clearly do not know how to follow basic criteria for MVP.

The more I think about it, the more pissed off I get, actually.
Agreed. Today the conversation is Peterson or Manning. I think neither should even be considered. Come back player of the year, yes. Best QB, best RB... yes (in the conversation)... But you take Manning off that team & they're still a play-off team. Just like last year. You take Peterson off that team & they're still not very successful.

It should be Jj Watt (& I'm not saying that as a homer), Andrew Luck (even though he's a rookie), RG3 (even though he's a rookie), Russell Wilson (even though he's a rookie). You take those four people off their team & nobody is talking about those teams.
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