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Old 12-15-2012   #41
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it really boils down to elite passers. Top QB's will just feast on slow man to man coverage with FA quality players like James, Sharpton and numerous backup secondary players we are carrying. No edge rush and no push from the NT just compounds the problem
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modified by Marcus:Paper mâché 11-2

They haven't had a decent win since October. Injuries have weakened the team on both sides of the ball. But I agree with the OP. If you want to point fingers at Kubiak, then stop making excuses for Phillips.

11-2

Sorry sir - they earned that 11-2. Period. 11-2. Before the season started, if I told you the Texans would be 11-2 after 13 games you would be so stoked - you wouldn't care where those 2 losses came from. I'd take that over being 2-11, with 2 wins over GB and NE.

Nothing you say changes or diminishes the following:


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C'mon b0ng, in all seriousness, take a luck at the string of injuries leading up to those games, who played, & who didn't. Then look at the guys who didn't finish those games.

Every week he's having to prepare someone else to start, then that guy gets hurt & he's having to throw someone else in.

And as far as Detroit goes, offensively they're right there with the Packers & the Patriots. & Jacksonville, that was the first time anyone had seen them throw the ball downfield. Had we not knocked the snot out of Gabbert, it would have been a totally different game.

Hopefully, we can start getting healthy, & our play gets better from here on out & we peak in February. Jjo should get better, Harris is going to get better with snaps. Our LBs should get better (thought they're journeymen, I feel really good about Dobbins & Rudd) & when they get better, our Safeties will stop cheating & do the job they're supposed to do.

I understand we're spoiled with the next man up thing. People get hurt, we don't care, we're still winning...... but to expect them to look as good as they did when they were completely healthy is asking for a bit much.
Nobody sang any praises for Kubiak last year when AJ and Schaub both missed significant time, as well as Foster. Injuries happen all the time and its not like NE, or GB weren't missing guys on offense either.
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Wade needs to coach up the pass rushers. They all have been stoned this year. Everyone getting locked down but watt. Guys gotta start winning battles. Don't know if their all just a bunch of one trick ponies or what. All year long the pocket collapses and the qb steps up. We still need a legit NT. Agree on average lbs. Have we been running as many stunts as last year? I remember those being money
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Nobody sang any praises for Kubiak last year when AJ and Schaub both missed significant time, as well as Foster. Injuries happen all the time and its not like NE, or GB weren't missing guys on offense either.
& When Schaub went down we went from averaging 27 ppg to 16 ppg. With Andre out, we had no receivers with a 100 yard day.

But we won. That's all I'm saying. We should still win, but it's going to look ugly.

Losing one LB after another over the last 5 weeks & our star CB, our nickel, & our star CBs back up... we're going to give up some yards. We still expect a win & we should. But to expect them to look good doing it, not so much.
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& When Schaub went down we went from averaging 27 ppg to 16 ppg. With Andre out, we had no receivers with a 100 yard day.

But we won. That's all I'm saying. We should still win, but it's going to look ugly.

Losing one LB after another over the last 5 weeks & our star CB, our nickel, & our star CBs back up... we're going to give up some yards. We still expect a win & we should. But to expect them to look good doing it, not so much.
We have a star backup at CB?
Oh wait, we have star(s) at back-up CB?
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C'mon b0ng, in all seriousness, take a luck at the string of injuries leading up to those games, who played, & who didn't. Then look at the guys who didn't finish those games.

Every week he's having to prepare someone else to start, then that guy gets hurt & he's having to throw someone else in.

And as far as Detroit goes, offensively they're right there with the Packers & the Patriots. & Jacksonville, that was the first time anyone had seen them throw the ball downfield. Had we not knocked the snot out of Gabbert, it would have been a totally different game.

Hopefully, we can start getting healthy, & our play gets better from here on out & we peak in February. Jjo should get better, Harris is going to get better with snaps. Our LBs should get better (thought they're journeymen, I feel really good about Dobbins & Rudd) & when they get better, our Safeties will stop cheating & do the job they're supposed to do.

I understand we're spoiled with the next man up thing. People get hurt, we don't care, we're still winning...... but to expect them to look as good as they did when they were completely healthy is asking for a bit much.
Or to expect the O-line - and by extension, the offense - to perform as well as they did when all five guys played every game together (six if you count Dreessen)...

All that to say, I agree. That we're 11-2 with the significant losses we've had on both sides of the ball is a credit to the whole coaching staff, IMO.

....but that could be the talking
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I personally was wondering why if they are doing quick passes to the middle of the field. Why didn't he move the CBs up and do a bump and run. At the very least it messes up the rhythm and give another second or two to the D-Line.

I hope he is saving the elaborate blitz packages for the post season. It would be nice think, that is the long term game plan. Get the guys established on the vanilla stuff while practicing the other.
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Wade needs to coach up the pass rushers. They all have been stoned this year. Everyone getting locked down but watt. Guys gotta start winning battles. Don't know if their all just a bunch of one trick ponies or what. All year long the pocket collapses and the qb steps up. We still need a legit NT. Agree on average lbs. Have we been running as many stunts as last year? I remember those being money
Not my research and frankly I do not remember the analyst but one was on the radio and said Brady got the ball out on average 2.2 secs from the snap. That is damn fast and has been part of the plan the last few weeks. Truth is we hit Brady a bunch of times despite that.
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Not my research and frankly I do not remember the analyst but one was on the radio and said Brady got the ball out on average 2.2 secs from the snap. That is damn fast and has been part of the plan the last few weeks. Truth is we hit Brady a bunch of times despite that.
Yeah 2.2 seconds makes him the ****. Nothing wade can do especially when the O no called no showed
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I figured it would be obvious. Wade's getting the pass because his defense can't stop it.
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Does anyone think less than thirty would beat pats or packers? Still comes down to O sucking in a league that gives the O everything. Thats what the pack and pats are built on. Would pats and pack like to have our D ? Would you like their O minus our D. Wade gets a pass
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Does anyone think less than thirty would beat pats or packers? Still comes down to O sucking in a league that gives the O everything. Thats what the pack and pats are built on. Would pats and pack like to have our D ? Would you like their O minus our D. Wade gets a pass
Yes, those teams have lost many games where the opponent scored less than 30 including playoff and superbowl games. Wade cannot play man coverage against guys that recognize where the pressure is coming from, and always know where they are going before the snap. These qbs light up when they see man coverage because they can put it on the money every time 1 on 1.

Wade does not get a pass from me. This team has superbowl caliber talent, and his schemes have simply not been working at all against these types of qbs. It is a huge step forward from our teams of the past, but he needs to be better if we want to take down these elite teams in the playoffs.
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Yeah 2.2 seconds makes him the ****. Nothing wade can do especially when the O no called no showed
BS! There are proven ways to beat these type of offenses. Crowd the WR's at the line and play them physical to throw off their timing with the QB, Mix up the coverages to keep the QB guessing. Show the QB different blitz looks presnap to keep him guessing, and so on and so on.

Wade has gone vanilla and that will work when you have better talent but not when you have a top notch QB and OC. All you are doing is making it easy for them to make adjustments. The most Wade has done lately to mix it up is swap Barwin and Mercilous from side to side.

Obviously Wade feels uncomfortable doing too much with all the injuries we have had. Well he better get over it and start scheming his ass off because at the rate this defense is giving up yards we wont be winning any games in the playoffs.

My biggest fear is we dominate these next 3 games against the Colts banged up O-line and Mini's one dimensional offense and he goes into the playoffs thinking that this vanilla crap is good enough to keep us going.
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He's got a QB rating of 74..... he's not picking anyone apart.
He’s also thrown 18 TD passes and engineered six come-from-behind victories in the fourth quarter or overtime. He has led the Colts to a 9-4 record, and they’re almost assured of making the playoffs. He has thrown for 3,792 yards, breaking Peyton Manning’s rookie record for the Colts. He’s on a pace for 4,667, which would shatter Cam Newton’s rookie record of 4,051. He has won more games than any quarterback taken with the first pick in the draft, and there have been some good ones like Terry Bradshaw, John Elway, Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning. Luck is mature beyond his years and well-respected by teammates as well as opponents.
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BS! There are proven ways to beat these type of offenses. Crowd the WR's at the line and play them physical to throw off their timing with the QB, Mix up the coverages to keep the QB guessing. Show the QB different blitz looks presnap to keep him guessing, and so on and so on.

Wade has gone vanilla and that will work when you have better talent but not when you have a top notch QB and OC. All you are doing is making it easy for them to make adjustments. The most Wade has done lately to mix it up is swap Barwin and Mercilous from side to side.

Obviously Wade feels uncomfortable doing too much with all the injuries we have had. Well he better get over it and start scheming his ass off because at the rate this defense is giving up yards we wont be winning any games in the playoffs.

My biggest fear is we dominate these next 3 games against the Colts banged up O-line and Mini's one dimensional offense and he goes into the playoffs thinking that this vanilla crap is good enough to keep us going.
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This team hasnt been the same since the bye week and Wade's honeymoon isnt going to last much longer if we continue to see the recent product.
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This team hasnt been the same since the bye week and Wade's honeymoon isnt going to last much longer if we continue to see the recent product.
This is bull.... the defense started slow, that was their only problem. From the second qtr on, they held their own, dominated most of that time. That game showed many reasons to be optimistic about Wade's defense, from the pass rush, to LB, to the DBs.
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I think our team follows a certain pattern when it comes to winning a game:
We get a score early. The defense makes a stop or 2. And we are ahead big by the half.
In games like Baltimore, we got a turnover or 2 to get up big.

Our real problem is that when our offense and defense start out slow, we can't run the ball to get back in games and are left throwing too much. Our defense cannot start out slow. In games like Jax and Det we let both linger because we didn't get early stops..

Our offense is designed to play from ahead. We have to keep to that formula if we wanna win in the playoffs.
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Our offense is designed to play from ahead. We have to keep to that formula if we wanna win in the playoffs.
True.

But, we came from behind in that Lions game. Our offense started slow against the Broncos, we gave up a safety, then a field goal, we were down 5-0 within 4 minutes of the start of the game.

We can't go down by 21 points & still expect to win the game. Nobody can, especially going against the Patriots.

Unless we were blowing smoke up our own butts, when we were talking about this team being balanced & able to win in multitudes of ways, I think it's just a matter of will to get it done.

Truthfully, that's been the problem with this team for a long time now. Getting enough people on offense & defense to understand if they do what they are trained to do, they will win. Penalties here & there, bad calls here & there, blown assignments here & there would snowball & we'd "find" new ways to lose.

We've shown incredible resolve throughout the year that those "here & there" mishaps don't bother us quite so much. However, against the elite offenses, Packers & Patriots, and to some extent Detroit, they came too often & too early.
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I personally was wondering why if they are doing quick passes to the middle of the field. Why didn't he move the CBs up and do a bump and run. At the very least it messes up the rhythm and give another second or two to the D-Line.

I hope he is saving the elaborate blitz packages for the post season. It would be nice think, that is the long term game plan. Get the guys established on the vanilla stuff while practicing the other.
There are several reasons as to why bump and run do not work as much as one would think.

The defense is showing its hand, since it's impossible to switch to zone.
Before the defenders can find their landmark, some receiver would already found the soft spot in the zone.

There Are pass patterns and schemes to beat bump and run like the switch routes, the bunch formation, receiver and TE screens, etc.
Basically, one or two receivers in the offensive formation can easily set screen(s) for another receiver to get free easily.

And of course, if the receiver beats the bump in one-and-one, it's usually a long gain.
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