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Old 12-13-2012   #1
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Default Why the offense bogged down against the Pats

Here's a quick run down.

First half:

Our first drive was stopped when Jean couldn't pull in a 35 some yard pass attempt along the right sideline. It was not an easy catch to made, but the ball was right there, in his hands.

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Our second drive was stopped because Schaub threw that stupid INT instead of dumping the ball off to a wide-open Foster underneath.

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Our third drive was stopped when Schaub's pass was batted down at the line.
He was going to Walter on an out-route that should be enough for a first down on the right side.

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Our fourth drive was stopped when Willfork batted down another short pass attempt to Jean in the middle.

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Our fifth drive was stopped for two reasons:

1. On third down, Jean didn't adjust his route and caught the ball for only 7 yards when needed 12.
(maybe it was what he was supposed to do - I'm just guessing that he has the leeway to do it here.)

He was running a 5-yd quick hitch or quick in.
There was nobody in the middle of the field;
if he had continue on as if he was running a quick in,
he would have plenty of room to run;
instead, the CB came up and tackled him 5yd short of the first-down marker.

2. On fourth down, Walter dropped a ball on the left side that would have gained at least 7-8 yards, more than enough for a first down.

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Our 6th drive was stopped when either Myers or Foster failed to pick up the blitz; Schaub had to throw the ball away.
He was going with Walter who was open on another quick out to the left.

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Our 7th drive was stopped because Schaub had to hurry the throw; the ball was just a hair too high for Jean. He barely touched the ball when the safety came up and gave him a big blow in the back. Harris had lost his battle and allowed his man to zero in on Schaub, who was hit pretty hard on that play.

That's the end of the half.
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quicker run down: Out-schemed, out-coached and out-quarterbacked.
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In the second half.

Our first drive was stopped on 3rd and 9 when the CB made a good tackle to stop AJ one yard short of the first down marker.

The pocket was being pushed hard, and there was nobody else open anyway.

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Foster scored a rushing TD on the next drive.

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On our next drive (3rd and 3) the CB Arrington jumped on KMart, but no flag was thrown. That should have been a first down right there, either with the catch or the penalty.

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Our next drive was in the fourth quarter, trailing 7-35
Tate ran for 10, and then 8.
On 2nd and 2, Tate gained just one (OD & Harris were the main reasons.)
On third and 1, he got stopped.
Myers was pretty weak, but Tate could have cut to the right instead of going left;
he needed less than a yard.

It is true that the run was designed for him to follow Casey's lead block,
but the defense was flowing hard to playside.

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The Pats then went up 42-7, and we pulled the starters.
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quicker run down: Out-schemed, out-coached and out-quarterbacked.
Odd, I didn't see Brady out there on defense bogging down our offense.
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Odd, I didn't see Brady out there on defense bogging down our offense.
snide comment...congrats.

Our quarterbacking wasn't up to par to win. Call it what you want.
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More like out-played.

And Schaub should been practicing against brooms or something.
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Odd, I didn't see Brady out there on defense bogging down our offense.
You don't think that 21 point lead that Brady gave his defense helped?

It's a no-brainer.
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You don't think that 21 point lead that Brady gave his defense helped?

It's a no-brainer.
Alot like in baseball when a team scores 5 runs in the 1st inning...totally changes how their pitcher approaches the other team.
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You don't think that 21 point lead that Brady gave his defense helped?

It's a no-brainer.
yup, their defense was on the bench most of the time.
our offense kept going 3 and out, of course our D is going to get tired and run over some more.
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You don't think that 21 point lead that Brady gave his defense helped?

It's a no-brainer.
Brady also has a nice demeanor for a QB. Less Gomer Pyle and more Sgt Carter.
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Alot like in baseball when a team scores 5 runs in the 1st inning...totally changes how their pitcher approaches the other team.
Straight up truth! Playing with a three score lead from the beginning of the game completely changes how a defense can scheme. You know the other team is going to have to start dropping back more at some point, so you can pin your ears back in a pass rush accordingly.

Obviously, the Texans were a bit different, because they like to run twice for a loss to set up 3rd and long, so our offense wasn't putting up much of a fight.

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yup, their defense was on the bench most of the time.
our offense kept going 3 and out, of course our D is going to get tired and run over some more.
Great point! A defense's biggest ally is having an offense that chews up the clock. Our D was on it's heals for the first several drives. They were winded by the half.

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Brady also has a nice demeanor for a QB. Less Gomer Pyle and more Sgt Carter.
lol! Yeah, no deer in the headlights with Brady. Dude is pure predator.

My wife commented during the game that how could Tom Brady not be married to a super model. He exudes confidence and a take no prisoner attitude.

Meanwhile, back to the kids on the yellow bus...
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yup, their defense was on the bench most of the time.
our offense kept going 3 and out, of course our D is going to get tired and run over some more.
Our offense didn't score a point until the third quarter.

The only other points scored were by the second stringers in garbage time.

Our starting offense only managed 7 points.


Defense has it's problems for sure. But if you'd have told me before the game that our offense would only score 7 points not until the third quarter, I would have guessed that we'd have gotten blown out just like we did.

You give Brady that many opportunities against a banged up defense with warts and he's going to feast.

This was a game that we all knew going in that our offense would have to step up. We knew it, the team knew it, the patriots knew it, my dogs knew it because I told them.

And what do they do?

Have their worst performance they've had in forever.
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Here's a quick run down.

First half:

Our first drive was stopped when Jean couldn't pull in a 35 some yard pass attempt along the right sideline. It was not an easy catch to made, but the ball was right there, in his hands.

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I think the real "fail" on that play is that Andre & OD get tangled up at the line. They didn't release on time forcing Schaub to go elsewhere. That would have been an easy pick up if Andre & OD didn't screw that one up.
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I'm not worried. We got wooped. That being said, I didn't learn anything new. I already new Brady is one of the best ever. I knew that Belichek is a great coach and that our margin for error in New England was very small.

The biggest issue the team has, IMO, is our heavy reliance of man coverage, even when it doesn't make sense (GreenBay, NE)... If this doesn't change, it means our defensive players will have to make plays when they have an opportunity when we play New England, Green Bay, NYG, and probably Denver... We're still in a great position. I'll be worried if we lose this Sunday.
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The biggest issue the team has, IMO, is our heavy reliance of man coverage, even when it doesn't make sense (GreenBay, NE)... If this doesn't change, it means our defensive players will have to make plays when they have an opportunity when we play New England, Green Bay, NYG, and probably Denver... We're still in a great position. I'll be worried if we lose this Sunday.
I think this is getting blown out of proportion. There were 5 possessions where we stopped the Patriots. Four of them were 3 & outs. That's using the same philosophy that we used all game. Our biggest issues was not being able to find Welker, Hernandez, & Woodhead until it was too late. The most obvious was when Hernandez was left uncovered...

That's basically what happened the first three possessions.

I feel pretty good that's not going to happen to us again. Not by the Colts, not by the Vikings, & not by any team we see in the play-offs, including the Patriots.

Offensively, we got bullied. We shot ourselves in the foot too many times & by the time we adjusted, the a$s-whupan was out of the can & they pretty much put a skirt on us.
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To me, everything hinges off the play in the trenches on both sides of the ball. We stunk on both sides!

Poor trench play spinkled with below average QB performance and a coaching staff caught with their pants down = Pure beatdown

*side note* I like Barwin, but boy, I'm happy we never came to a contract agreement with him. Dude is literally losing millions as the games go by.
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To me, everything hinges off the play in the trenches on both sides of the ball. We stunk on both sides!

Poor trench play spinkled with below average QB performance and a coaching staff caught with their pants down = Pure beatdown

*side note* I like Barwin, but boy, I'm happy we never came to a contract agreement with him. Dude is literally losing millions as the games go by.
I thought the d-line play was good...linebacker play was awful.
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I thought the d-line play was good...linebacker play was awful.
Yeah, I always catch myself lumping our OLBs in with our Dline.

It's funny (actually not) that our LB corps was once one of our biggest strengths. Now, they pretty much stink
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We just have too many breakdowns in coverage (and that includes the LBs)

This is where we're supposed to be better than the Pats.

And we blowed big time.
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When you play against great QBs, you can't afford to make hardly any mistakes; we did the exact opposite.
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