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Old 12-11-2012   #21
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Kubiak made the right call here, so forget about the old college try and all of that about using all of your timeouts in the last 40 seconds of the game when you are down by multiple TDs, etc. The season is not over but last nights game was over well before we pulled our starters, chances are better than not that we see the Pats again this season but in the playoffs: "Live to fight another day".
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Foster's game = meh

Schaub's game = not good


Oline? Yeah it's a problem
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Or it could of been AJ lining up at FB to "confuse" the defense and then not attacking 1 on 1 coverage all night. Maybe the 3 consecutive running plays then a punt when down 21. Then some 7 yard slants when we need 10 yards.

If u watched the jacksonville game the whole 4th quarter we went 4 wide and shreaded them, same thing in Detroit. Here we went 4 wide for 1 series and got a TD and then the Offense went back into their 2 WR 1 FB and foster shell. It was a terrible called game we didn't lose purely to bad execution.


Schaub didn't run a 7 yard slant. It's AJ's job to get the distance
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I actually agree with a lot of what was in the original post. I'm just sooooo tired of the old guard at this point. Brady this....Peyton that from the national media. And Kubiak just prolongs that junk with his limp performances in primetime...
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Default Re: Pulling the starters is borderline unforgivable...

That original post was nothing but a whiny little vent from someone who "understands the logic and reasoning behind it", but wants to create a thread to disagree with it anyway????

Put the pacifier back in and STFU.
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To be fair, there were other routes being run...that's the one schaub chose and then Andre didn't break a tackle...

But I can't complain about backups...they produced as many points as the starters...
He can't do that anymore. Apparently, going by some of his other recent games, he has regained his speed, etc., but I have not seen him run over anybody in like 3 years. I don't believe he has that anymore. My point is don't throw him the ball and expect him to do things he can no longer do. Course, he was probly the only one open and that, of course, is because he wasn't past the first down marker.
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That original post was nothing but a whiny little vent from someone who "understands the logic and reasoning behind it", but wants to create a thread to disagree with it anyway????

Put the pacifier back in and STFU.



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I have ZERO problem with us pulling starters.

It was the ONLY smart thing Kubiak did, actually.

I don't want our starters getting I.R.'d in a blowout loss. No way, Jose.
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I have ZERO problem with us pulling starters.

It was the ONLY smart thing Kubiak did, actually.

I don't want our starters getting I.R.'d in a blowout loss. No way, Jose.
I don't know; it was pretty clever when he had Foster running right into their NT with AJ as his fullback.
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Regardless of potential injuries the guys just plain deserved to get benched. Maybe it will light a fire under some of them maybe it won't but I think Gary was as sick of watching them play as most of us were. Pick up the play in these big games or get a little embarrassed and show off your pouty face on the bench.
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Didn't Gary say Schaub was his QB and he would play the whole game regardless of the score after the Jags game last yr? Guess he changed his mind.
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The game was over on our opening drive in the second half when we try to establish a running game on the first two plays that put our offense on a 3rd long. I mean, when was the last time in the history of football have a team ever came back from 21 down with the help of their running game?
Did our running game help us came back against the Jax game or Lions? Did Buffalo running game help them came back against the Oilers?
Even if our running game was producing yards there's no way we should be running on our first two plays on that drive down 21.
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Didn't Gary say Schaub was his QB and he would play the whole game regardless of the score after the Jags game last yr? Guess he changed his mind.



after the jags game?
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Schaub didn't run a 7 yard slant. It's AJ's job to get the distance
They practice these plays in practice, the distance is based on the play call. They don't just say he run out however far u want and then do a slant. Its a timed play.
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I have ZERO problem with us pulling starters.

It was the ONLY smart thing Kubiak did, actually.

I don't want our starters getting I.R.'d in a blowout loss. No way, Jose.
Agreed. Live to fight another day. Kind of a petulant and whiny rant that seemed to have more of a selfish purpose because the OP didn't want to be embarrassed in front of his colleagues. I bet he would be the first one on here excoriating Kubiak if AJ blew out his knee.
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That original post was nothing but a whiny little vent from someone who "understands the logic and reasoning behind it", but wants to create a thread to disagree with it anyway????

Put the pacifier back in and STFU.
The irony of you posting a whiny little rant at my original post isn't lost.
Do me a favor and take your own advice if you don't have anything even remotely related to the topic to add.

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Agreed. Live to fight another day. Kind of a petulant and whiny rant that seemed to have more of a selfish purpose because the OP didn't want to be embarrassed in front of his colleagues. I bet he would be the first one on here excoriating Kubiak if AJ blew out his knee.
That's a whole lot of speculation with pretty much zero basis. My "rant" has only minimal amount to do with my colleagues. I'm not on the team, nor do I coach the team, nor do I have any inkling of control over the performance we see. So my embarrassment pales in comparison to what the players and coaches should be feeling. My problem comes from the fact that in arguably one of the most highly anticipated games of the season, we couldn't even last until the closing bell. That's pathetic.

My philosophy doesn't flip flop. I won't complain if Kubiak rests his guy once the game is clearly in hand (don't see the reason to have Foster running it 10 times in the last 2 minutes of a 20+ point blowout win). But if we're losing, especially in a nationally televised game in what will be a very important litmus test for our playoff feasibility and we give up after only 75% of the game has been played, that's embarrassing. That's awful.

You play until the final bell. The injury excuse isn't valid. Conditions were good, players were fine, they weren't tired, etc. You play to win the game. That's all. I could just as easily ask "What's the point of playing your starters in the final 2 games when you're 4-10?" After all, they could get hurt. You might hurt your draft position. Etc. But throwing in towel is not the way you create a winner. There's a reason we crumple when the expectations are highest.

Schaub, Kubiak, and co had a chance to go into desperation offense mode. Maybe it wouldn't have made a difference in this game, but if we're down 2 TDs and there's only 5 minutes left in the AFC championship, I bet he's going to wish we had practiced our spread offense a little more. Maybe the reason our team is bad when there's a lot on the line is because we don't have enough experience in those situations. We had a chance to gain some, and instead they chose to wave the "liberty" white flag.
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Oh and by the way, you can bet our team leaders agree with me

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Players stopped short of calling it a white flag, but receiver Andre Johnson and left tackle Duane Brown didn’t love it. They shouldn’t have. It sends a team a bad message to give up at that point. At least go down slinging it.

“I have no control over that,” Johnson said.

“I just line up and do my job,” Brown said.
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They practice these plays in practice, the distance is based on the play call. They don't just say he run out however far u want and then do a slant. Its a timed play.


They practice plays in practice? Thanks for the breaking news


How do you know that AJ wasnt supposed to run 8 yards before the break? Or maybe 9? You know that Gary called for him to break when he did? AJ wasnt the first option either I dont think
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They practice these plays in practice, the distance is based on the play call. They don't just say he run out however far u want and then do a slant. Its a timed play.
Exactly.

AJ ran the right route, you just hope he gets enough separation to get the extra yardage. He normally does, but he didn't. Walter had a 4th down catch knocked to of his hands by the CB's knees (and the CB wasn't trying, it just happened that way).

Watt knocked a fumble into the EZ and the Pats recover for a TD.

KJ couldn't fall on the ball.

Kubiak waited until the 2nd half to play Tate.

We ran AT Wilfork, not away from him.

It was a waste of everybody's time all the way around. It looked like Gary didn't even really come up with an intelligent game plan for this game. He's in that mode of thinking that IF our guys play their hearts out, nobody can stop us even if they know what play is coming at them. He still hasn't learned.

He'll probably pull a Belichick and get ran out of Houston in 4 or 5 years, then go dark and be a sadistic HC for the Colts and win 3 Super Bowls with them. That's how it goes. Guys that don't learn...when they DO learn, they go somewhere else and Shazaam! all of a sudden the light bulb goes on: "Gee, you mean I can exploit a defense COMPLETELY and run up 52 points on them? Regularly???? Wow....cool!"
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Overreaction thread no.345638

You pull the starters and get ready for next game. No need for anyone to get hurt at that time

See ya in Jan.
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