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Old 06-08-2005   #1
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Default All Time Overrated QB list (Min 5 years in league)

1. Jeff George - Perhaps the best arm in NFL history. Too bad it was attached to that brain.
2. Doug Flutie - He had one great season in college and somehow he is a cult hero. O V E R R A T E D.
3. Jay Fiedler - nice winning percentage, but almost anyone could have won 10 games with the talent the Dolphins had on defense. They probably could have won a title with a REAL QB.
4. Mike Tomczak - did he ever play well?
5. Jeff Blake - he puts up good stats but loses consistently. How does he keep getting starting gigs with his winning percentage?
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You forgot to mention Ryan Leaf.
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You forgot to mention Ryan Leaf.
I think you would classify Ryan more of a bust than being over rated.
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Any QB that the Cowboys get these days is Overrated.
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VERY true. I should have put more emphasis on the word OVERRATED. Oh well. Worth a good laugh at least.
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I like TheOgre's list, though I'm not sure who actually rated Tomczak & Fielder highly. They just started a lot of games. To me, being overrated means that there's a contingent of "experts" that think a guy is the bomb. And there was a group of Jeff George lovers out there. Currently, he are a few guys who I think fit the overrated criteria.

Trent Green - Puts up numbers, but doesn't win a lot of games. Not a difference maker.

Drew Bledsoe - Has lived off a couple of good seasons in New England for too long. Age is the only major difference between Bledsoe & Testaverde.

As far as all-time, I think Joe Namath has to be mentioned. He threw 47 more interceptions than touchdowns over the course of his career. Joe Willie got a lot of milage off of that 1 Super Bowl win.
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I'll nominate Neil O'Donnell to the list. Nice job chocking in the biggest game of his life and it has been all down hill since.
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It starts and stops with Kurt Warner.

Game over.
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Right now I think one of the most overrated QB's is Micheal Vick
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Don't forget Rick Mirer.
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Mirer would fall under the "bust" category with Leaf.

"Overrated" (to me anyways) means a player is hyped to be better than he really is.

But that's just me.
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Cody Carleson
Rich Gannon
Tony Banks
Vinny Testaverde
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Dan Marino (sorry but he just couldn't do it HE!HE!)
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Cody Carleson
Rich Gannon
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Eli Manning
Dan Marino (sorry but he just couldn't do it HE!HE!)

i admitt Eli Manning was a little overrated last year but its only his second season....


im gonna wait and call him overrated when he SUCKS again this season
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Right now I think one of the most overrated QB's is Micheal Vick
Actually, I could not agree with that more. Vick is a great athlete, and very dangerous at that, but a QB he's not. Not yet anyway.
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Ill catch hell from any lurking jag fan.. but Byron Leftwich.

Now, dont get me wrong, I think he is a talented QB. but according to the talking heads, and many other fans, he is the second coming of Joe Montana. Apparently he has a rocket for an arm (uh..no) pinpoint accuracy (no again), size (what good is size without durability or mobility?), clutch instincts (ok.. ill give ya that), and leadership skills (sure)

The fact of the matter is that Byron is a "clutch" QB (really... he is not that much better in a clutch situation than many other QBs), and he has leadership qualities. What he DOESNT have is a really strong arm (average), great accuracy (average), or anything resembling durability, or mobility.

All in all.. id say he is an average, to above average QB.. with a promising future in the NFL if the team is built to his strengths.. but he is NOT some rising superstar. Id compare him to Jake Delhomme.. he will get the job done, but the potential isnt there to dominate his position.
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Mark Brunell, he had all the physical gifts, he could run and throw and do it well. But time and injurys have left him a shell of what he once was.
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I honestly can't think of a QB who I think is a) overrated, and b) has been in the league 5 years at least. I know there's one out there and it will probably come to me after I hit the "Post Quick Reply" button. I'm just drawing a blank for some reason.

That reason is I have a QB question on my mind inspired by the responses in this thread. People ask you to name the best QB and it's usually pretty easy. They ask you to name the most overrated and everyone has an opinion (even me if I could just remember what it was). Likewise everyone can tell you who the busts were.

So would everyone please name one QB who was, in your opinion, basically a victim of the team who drafted him. Name the best QB who's talents were completely squandered because he played on a lousy team or for crummy coaches. Maybe he played in a bad system or got no protection, or he was put in a no-win situation and asked to follow a legend.

Name the one guy who didn't work out who you think would have IF he'd been in a better situation.
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hmmm.. i didnt see the parenthesied "5 year minimum".

Ahh well.. I still stick by my assessment of Lefty
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